Viewable Rep?

[JammyJim]

A quick vote to see which is wanted.


Do you want to be able to see who voted to give you negative/positive reputation points or not?

[Nodrog]

Not by default since then people will be scared to negrep their friends, but maybe it could be optional? The current system allows people to impersonate others and leave insulting comments 'under their name' and so on.

[1-X]

Originally Posted by idimmu

i say no to viewable rep

we all know why you say no to it, mr crashtester impersonator

[Marilyn Manson]

Unless Nod's idea can be implemented, a definite no.

[LHC]

It's probably more likely to create some sort of homosexual reputation war.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Flavius

define quick vote?

If you're referring to the duration of the voting, then we should give everyone the right to vote on this important issue.

No we shouldn't, we should cancel it whilst "Yes" is still in the lead!

[Dante Hicks]

Definitely not.

[Dace]

Posting to disagree with Dante (to maintain consistency).

[1-X]

Originally Posted by Dant Hicks

Definitely not

but you can't make normal posts anonymously so why should something as small as rep comments be any different?

surely you should be personally accountable for what you post wherever you post it?

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by 1-X

surely you should be personally accountable for what you post wherever you post it?

Not really. Maybe an admin should be able to see who has posted it. You don't see who has reported one of your posts to the mods, so I don't think you should see this kind of thing.

See my post on the other thread.

[Marilyn Manson]

This is now all over. Dante and Nod will win the argument for the 'No' side (Seriously, which faggot do the 'Yes' side have?), but the poll will go against us on the 'No' side.

However, JJ is no populist; he listens to those with teh wisdom. So things will stay the same.

I've seen the future.


AND IT'S EGG-SHAPED!



I'd chip in and all that, but I have other commitments. Sedition doesn't make itself, you know.

[I am Idler]

I vote yes, for 48 hours.

atleast we can check if its a disaster or not

[1-X]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

This is now all over. Dante and Nod will win the argument for the 'No' side (Seriously, which faggot do the 'Yes' side have?), but the poll will go against us on the 'No' side.

However, JJ is no populist; he listens to those with teh wisdom. So things will stay the same.

so "people will be scared to negrep their friends - nodrog" passes as wisdom now?

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by 1-X

so "people will be scared to negrep their friends - nodrog" passes as wisdom now?

Erm...yes? It's a perfectly valid point.

I'd also be reluctant to switch something which was anonymous when implemented and then turn off anonymity. If all future reps had a name by them (and everyone knew this) then fine, but including past ones seems unfair.

That actually happened on another forum I frequent. They had anonymous posting for months and everyone used to slag each other off (which was mildly amusing). Then they retrospectively displayed everyone's IPs (i.e. on posts made over the last months). There was a period of intense bitching (as everyone worked out who had said what about them) and then the forum died.

[Snurx]

No.

I would not be able to diss Dante for his communist views in hiding. That would be sad

[JonnyBGood]

Who cares if people won't neg-rep their friends? I'm pretty sure we already accepted they're hardly the definitive way of rating a poster.

[demiGOD]

no = objectivity

[JammyJim]

However, JJ is no populist; he listens to those with teh wisdom. So things will stay the same.

i wondered if any of you noticed this or not heh

[Weeks]

voted yes- it'd be cooler.
although I see idi's point
-if it's still hidden one can falsely incriminate someone else, which is very cool.

[Tomkat]

I think a lot of people are pos-repping just for the hell of it, but hardly anyone is neg-repping. Look how many green blobs everyone has already.
If the comments become visible, people will become less ready to neg-rep, for fear of retaliation from a bitter poster.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

i wondered if any of you noticed this or not heh

I noticed it, because I wrote it. IN SPACE!

[Tomkat]

If JJ's considering fiddling with the reputation, could you perhaps change it so that the number of points : number of blobs is different?

Say, instead of a blob for every 100 points, do it something like:

50 points = 1 green
100 points = 2 green
250 points = 3 green
500 points = 4 green
750 points = 5 green
1000 points = 6 green
1500 points = 7 green
2000 points = 8 green
3000 points = 9 green

Or something similar - so not everyone has a gazillion green blobs?

[Sarina_Joy]

I don't see the problem. I tell 'friends' when they post shite anyway.

[demiGOD]

hopefull, the results of this poll will only be an idea of what the majority wants and not be a base of future decisions about this rep stuff (JJ? hmmm?) heh..

[Vaio]

The majority doesn't get what the majority wants.

~Vaio~

[( @_@ )]

If people respect the system it can work

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Say, instead of a blob for every 100 points, do it something like:

50 points = 1 green
100 points = 2 green
250 points = 3 green
500 points = 4 green
750 points = 5 green
1000 points = 6 green
1500 points = 7 green
2000 points = 8 green
3000 points = 9 green

Or something similar - so not everyone has a gazillion green blobs?

That's a good idea, and/or change the amount of power per 100 votes.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

You don't see who has reported one of your posts to the mods, so I don't think you should see this kind of thing.

It depends what you mean by 'this kind of thing'; in theory, where you've got a forum where this actually meant something, it's quite possible to think of a situation when this kind of thing matters. But it also requires the forum to be a lot younger than this one is; I'm not going to get upset if, say, Leshy negreps me, and I don't see why I would care more if I knew it was Leshy doing it. Whilst it is true that some people are taking this very seriously, lolposrep circle jerks, would it really matter, even to them, if they knew who was sending their score down? I very much hope not. If I report a post by you, say, to a mod, it means 'hey, I think this person should be reprimanded for this message!', with the results ranging from editing of the post to potential banning. It's much more likely that a person, especially at this stage where some of us have been here four to five years, will have some kind of attachment to his registered user account, and, if the post isn't deemed unacceptable, or wasn't deemed so by the o/p, it's entirely plausable that there may be some repurcussions. Referring to nod's 'friends don't publically neg rep friends', surely that's only true if there's some kind of emotional attachment to having 8 green blobs by ones name? You can see why people may become annoyed with 'friends' if they report them to a mod, as they may feel that a quick PM to change it may have been more appropriate, but what the hey. I've neg repped Michael, and admitted it, I've negrepped Mr Manson. They don't despise me now any more so than they did before. Obviously, this is anecdotal evidence, but with the knowledge of the pointlessness of the system, how can any other state of affairs exist?

That actually brings me to another point; why shouldn't one be able to view the comments posted on other peoples posts?

[Ste]

i missed an interestin night on the forum ay! Voting Yes, Should encourage people to make comments when repping.
Seeing as the mods can already see who reps them, they still get some neg reps sometime, I don't really see the problem.
If it goes public and doesn'r work then we can change it back *shrug*

[madi]

i kind of think no
somethings it is just best not to know

[Vaio]

Looks like we have. The minority won. I didn't realise there were so many 'active' members on here.

~Vaio~

[Nusselt]

id say no, its much more fun this way, nods 'idea' can already be implemented, i always sign my reps (unless i forget)

[XeeThot]

Nope.

All reping should be held in animousity as that takes the shyness of people to assert both good and bad reputation.

Only people that want revenge want the disclosure of the reppers.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by XeeThot

Only people that want revenge want the disclosure of the reppers.

I don't want revenge.

[Vaio]

Originally Posted by XeeThot

Only people that want revenge want the disclosure of the reppers.

Only people that have something to hide don't want the disclosure of the reppers

~Vaio~

[Dead_Meat]

Poll updated.

[XeeThot]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I don't want revenge.

You already see who repped you. So

[XeeThot]

Originally Posted by Vaio

Only people that have something to hide don't want the disclosure of the reppers

~Vaio~

I personally sign all my reps good and bad. But I see a problem on the lack of anonimousity, people that overrate their e-penis will start a e-penis war and twink out even more than they already are on the PM blob exchange.

[Vaio]

I wouldn't have been bothered in this at all if I hadn't got this as a neg rep and lost 50 points or something.

'Who will be teh next Pope 2 Feb 2005 20:00 teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh'

I mean, what the f'k is that all about ?


ta Xeethot btw

~Vaio~

[XeeThot]

Originally Posted by Vaio

I wouldn't have been bothered in this at all if I hadn't got this as a neg rep and lost 50 points or something.

'Who will be teh next Pope 2 Feb 2005 20:00 teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh teh'

I mean, what the f'k is that all about ?


ta Xeethot btw

~Vaio~

That's a twink! He should be scorched on the flames of the :

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by XeeThot

You already see who repped you. So

No I don't.

[Structural Integrity]

I'd say yes because mods can also see the rep poster so enabling it for everyone would even the playing ground. No?

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

If JJ's considering fiddling with the reputation, could you perhaps change it so that the number of points : number of blobs is different?

Say, instead of a blob for every 100 points, do it something like:

50 points = 1 green
100 points = 2 green
250 points = 3 green
500 points = 4 green
750 points = 5 green
1000 points = 6 green
1500 points = 7 green
2000 points = 8 green
3000 points = 9 green

Or something similar - so not everyone has a gazillion green blobs?

Equally, can you do the same for red ones too?

Say something like this;

0 to -9999 1 Red blob
-10000 - 999999 2 Red blobs

This would ensure I dont have too many red dots after my name for a few months.

Thanks

[Nondescript Human]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

Equally, can you do the same for red ones too?

Say something like this;

0 to -9999 1 Red blob
-10000 - 999999 2 Red blobs

This would ensure I dont have too many red dots after my name for a few months.

Thanks

no way

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

Equally, can you do the same for red ones too?

Say something like this;

0 to -9999 1 Red blob
-10000 - 999999 2 Red blobs

This would ensure I dont have too many red dots after my name for a few months.

Thanks

only if we can instantly set your reputation to -ve infinity right afterwards

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Obviously, this is anecdotal evidence, but with the knowledge of the pointlessness of the system, how can any other state of affairs exist?

Well, yes. It depends. I don't think the reputation thing is totally meaningless though. Sure, it doesn't serve much of a purpose on a forum this size, but I still think it re-inforces some kind of good-posting ethic. Where I have received neg repping I always re-read my posts to see if I could have phrased better or if they were being unfair, etc. My problem with making it non-anonymous is that you probably wll find 10% of people do take it too seriously which then degrades the whole system and makes it meaningless for all.

That actually brings me to another point; why shouldn't one be able to view the comments posted on other peoples posts?

I can see no reason why you shouldn't.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Where I have received neg repping I always re-read my posts to see if I could have phrased better or if they were being unfair, etc.

All my posts are perfect. Plus, I do that anyway after I post them. Anything that you read has gotten through the magical net of 'quality'.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

All my posts are perfect. Plus, I do that anyway after I post them. Anything that you read has gotten through the magical net of 'quality'.

mark you're a spammer, a high class one i grant, but a spammer none the less.

sometimes i'm amazed you actually post whole sentences rather than just post a word at a time.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

mark you're a spammer, a high class one i grant, but a spammer none the less.

I'm the internet equivilent of Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.

[Sarina_Joy]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I'm the internet equivilent of Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.

A terrible comparison. The Julia Roberts character is a low class hooker who is taken away from it all by some rich man who sees potential in her. Unless Yahwe is going to take you and teach you how to live without spam then this comparison simply does not work.