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11 Jan 2003, 07:30
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Boy without a toy
Join Date: Apr 2002
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GMT or CEST
I hope we are not gonna change the clock of this game? I understand that its now owned by a English company, but most players are European and from the US. And after some years useing CEST, now u want them to change?
Shame on you!
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11 Jan 2003, 09:19
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Impudent
Join Date: Jun 2002
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Where has it been announced that the Clock will change?
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11 Jan 2003, 09:40
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ensign forever
Join Date: Jan 2002
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CEST region is a bigger market than GMT so why change unless they expect to attract a lot more players from GMT region .
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11 Jan 2003, 09:44
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Boy without a toy
Join Date: Apr 2002
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I got inside info that it will be...
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11 Jan 2003, 11:13
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Registered User
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BLAH heh -6 hours im used to now to re-adjust to -7?
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11 Jan 2003, 11:15
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
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would be easy if they just created an option in preferences where you can set your own timezone.
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11 Jan 2003, 11:53
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Stealth & Shadows
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 192
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Makes no sens to change the CEST tradition, its part of planetarion.
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11 Jan 2003, 12:06
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Xenoc
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 297
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Note that BST is used in GB, not GMT. They are only the same for 5 months of the year.
If it is BST or CET makes little difference if you live in either area.
For people from US or down under, GMT might be better - it is not afflicted by DST, and everyone know how many hours they are from GMT.
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11 Jan 2003, 12:29
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Necro's Minion
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sheffield uni, UK.
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heh, does it realy matter? its not like ure ships are gonna be faster on CEST that BST now is it? and its not as though u will have to stay up an extra hr or anything.. its only an arbitrary standard fs. and if it does matter that much, well, GMT is the centre for world time..
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11 Jan 2003, 12:35
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2000
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GMT all the way, but i really couldn't give a donkeys bollocks how PA shows the time tbh.
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11 Jan 2003, 12:46
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[F.E.A.R.]
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Liverpool
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Everyone needs a universal PA time. Setting own time is a terrible idea and would result is so many incorrect launch times.
I wouldn't care if it were in CEST, GMT or dog years. As long as everyone can see the same thing then there won't be a problem.
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11 Jan 2003, 12:48
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I see you!
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: In any girl
Posts: 2,825
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Changing game time from CEST to GMT would have NO use at all.
It will only force the WHOLE Planetarion community to change their "pa-clocks".. or whatever it's kinda for no use anyways..
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11 Jan 2003, 13:40
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Banned
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: autogenic misery
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Re: GMT or CEST
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Originally posted by RooKie
I hope we are not gonna change the clock of this game? I understand that its now owned by a English company, but most players are European and from the US. And after some years useing CEST, now u want them to change?
Shame on you!
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The largest group of players is from the UK.
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11 Jan 2003, 13:59
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Boy without a toy
Join Date: Apr 2002
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thats just not correct...
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11 Jan 2003, 14:36
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Banned
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Quote:
Originally posted by RooKie
thats just not correct...
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well it was correct, acording to the planetarion admins who collected the data.
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11 Jan 2003, 14:38
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Ensign
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: An intricate fantasy world.
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Ditch 'time' completely and just have a tick counter.
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11 Jan 2003, 14:40
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I see you!
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Anyways if most players is from the UK I think it'll be best to use the time zone which already is! Changes often aint positive
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11 Jan 2003, 14:44
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2000
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Quote:
Originally posted by Coffee
Ditch 'time' completely and just have a tick counter.
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Then how'd you plan things, like "every night at 10gmt" , it'll be useless unless you're all leet at maths.
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11 Jan 2003, 15:06
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Hamster
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Crewe, England
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I doubt there will be a change from CEST, after all the game used to be hosted in the UK by Barrysworld yet CEST was still used. The only change to the time I personally see is in r10 when I think they will probally do what Coffee has said and move over to PT time as the sole timing method
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11 Jan 2003, 15:15
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Hamster
Join Date: Apr 2000
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Quote:
Originally posted by mbushell
Then how'd you plan things, like "every night at 10gmt" , it'll be useless unless you're all leet at maths.
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Its no differnt from having it done by GMT or CEST for most people. After all a large number of the players using whatever timezone you use has to work out what the time is in their local time and all moving to PT would do is make things easier.
For example if it was tick 115 and you said all meet here to launch at PT 123 we all know that we have to meet in 8 hours time. When its done on normal time we instead have to convert a meeting time of something like 10CEST into local time which can be alot harder which is shown every round when people turn up an hour late for attacks due to messing the conversion up. (It also happens a fair bit in PAteam meetings where people get the timezones mixed up and are then late. )
Going to a single none timezone specific timing system that doesnt require you to know the time difference of a country to work meeting time ect out would be much better
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11 Jan 2003, 15:19
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Necro's Minion
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by wakey
For example if it was tick 115 and you said all meet here to launch at PT 123 we all know that we have to meet in 8 hours time. When its done on normal time we instead have to convert a meeting time of something like 10CEST into local time which can be alot harder which is shown every round when people turn up an hour late for attacks due to messing the conversion up.
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once a standard is set, cest/gmt/whatever.. everyone knows the conversion they have to make to work out what time that corresponds to where they are. u only have to work it out once ever and ure sorted. with PT's u are constantly gonna be counting on ure fingers. not to mention the fact that ppl who like to launch just before the tick will be guessin on what time it is..
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11 Jan 2003, 15:20
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Boy without a toy
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: #ducks
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Quote:
Originally posted by inf
well it was correct, acording to the planetarion admins who collected the data.
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There are more ppl in the GMT zone than the CEST zone?
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11 Jan 2003, 15:26
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Pepsi bottle
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Quote:
Originally posted by wakey
It also happens a fair bit in PAteam meetings where people get the timezones mixed up and are then late.
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11 Jan 2003, 15:29
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I see you!
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: In any girl
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Quote:
Originally posted by RooKie
There are more ppl in the GMT zone than the CEST zone?
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lol...yes? CEST is almost the whole Europe...GMT is the left part of europe...
I think Im right...
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11 Jan 2003, 15:31
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Necro's Minion
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sheffield uni, UK.
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and america is bigger than all of europe, maybe we should convert to an american timezone? does it matter whats bigger? i think the data compiled probably points to where most users are from, not that that makes the blind bit of difference. pick a timezone and stick to it.
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11 Jan 2003, 15:38
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I see you!
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They've already changed forums timezone from CEST to GMT
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11 Jan 2003, 15:40
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Raaaaaaaah!
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: United Kingdom
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Quote:
Originally posted by mbushell
Then how'd you plan things, like "every night at 10gmt" , it'll be useless unless you're all leet at maths.
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I'd assume like betas/speed games with launch times given as a tick rather than as a time.
To be honest what time zone the game is played in makes very little difference to me although I'd like to stick to CEST just out of tradition. I'm under the impression the largest group of players comes from the UK ?
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11 Jan 2003, 18:16
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Jazz Man
Join Date: Jan 2003
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GMT will be great...save me ****ing up the clock..thinking it is gmt and so usually ariving a hour late for attacks and meets...
Rule Britania!!!
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11 Jan 2003, 18:30
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Impudent
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 286
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Quote:
Originally posted by RooKie
There are more ppl in the GMT zone than the CEST zone?
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No, what he said was that there are (were) more UK players than any other group, and therefore more using GMT than CEST.
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11 Jan 2003, 18:39
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Baron Samedi
Join Date: May 2001
Location: I'm not idimmu
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Quote:
Originally posted by mbushell
GMT all the way, but i really couldn't give a donkeys bollocks how PA shows the time tbh.
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Me either. Its not hard working time thats +1 hour.
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11 Jan 2003, 18:45
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A Persistent Freebie
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Denmark, silkeborg
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scaggydo
and america is bigger than all of europe
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that doesn't really matter.... cos i THINK that there are more ppl in europe not sure though.... so flame at will
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11 Jan 2003, 18:53
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Impudent
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 286
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nadar
They've already changed forums timezone from CEST to GMT
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When you sign up a forum account you can select the time zone you want, so to say the Forums have been changed to GMT is incorrect
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11 Jan 2003, 18:59
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NoS forever
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Austrian Wastelands
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CEST forever \o/
all join #getcestback on netgamers
if U want to support our project U can easily donate money to a back numer wich will be gven to U in privat message.
donŽt let CEST go down in PA
CEST forever \o/
over and out
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11 Jan 2003, 19:08
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Baron Samedi
Join Date: May 2001
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Quote:
Originally posted by ]Darkness[
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Lame.
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11 Jan 2003, 19:14
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I see you!
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Location: In any girl
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ulysses
When you sign up a forum account you can select the time zone you want, so to say the Forums have been changed to GMT is incorrect
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What a newb I am lol
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11 Jan 2003, 19:52
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Ensign
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: An intricate fantasy world.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scaggydo
once a standard is set, cest/gmt/whatever.. everyone knows the conversion they have to make to work out what time that corresponds to where they are. u only have to work it out once ever and ure sorted. with PT's u are constantly gonna be counting on ure fingers. not to mention the fact that ppl who like to launch just before the tick will be guessin on what time it is..
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launch at 10:00 cest. Problems arise with people ****ing it up - they always do (ask any alliance person*). Also if it also ticks on 10:00 cest then a large percentage will be on the wrong tick sending.
* Perhaps keeping cest is a better idea - it makes it harder** to organise co-ordinated attacks
** read harder as skillful.
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11 Jan 2003, 20:32
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Necro's Minion
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Coffee
launch at 10:00 cest. Problems arise with people ****ing it up - they always do (ask any alliance person*). Also if it also ticks on 10:00 cest then a large percentage will be on the wrong tick sending.
* Perhaps keeping cest is a better idea - it makes it harder** to organise co-ordinated attacks
** read harder as skillful.
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except, say for example, i am GMT and pa time is CEST. i know my time is 1 hr behind. so if for example my alliance says nightly attacks are to occur at say 2 and 3 am cest, i know to turn up at 1 or 2 am local time.
now, tell me how on a system purely timed in PT's how we can have a nightly schedule? i mean.. great, tonights attack is at say PT 237, and 238.. so tomorrows will be at.. uhm.. lets see.. uh.. nfi. fs. say my alliance forum tells me tomorrows attack will be at PT262, i then have to sit and work out what time it is now, what tick it is now, take that away from the PT of the launch and then add that number to the time now.. cmon, which is more difficult? the fk is wrong with just having a clock? just stick to a clock. once u know u are 1 hr behind the pa clock, or 6 hrs behind the pa clock or 10 hrs behind the pa clock, how difficult is it to subtract 1 hr/6hrs/10hrs from any given time? not immensly. u get used to it. anyone who finds that difficult should maybe go back to junior school.
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11 Jan 2003, 21:56
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I personally would liek to see it as GMT for a number of simple reasons:
1) GMT is the universal standard time, its what militaries use among other things.
2) It does not have daylight saving time unlike CET
3) Its no more diffcult to use CEST than GMT, easier in fact some may say.
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11 Jan 2003, 22:24
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Necro's Minion
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by KalVirtus
2) It does not have daylight saving time unlike CET
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BST?
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11 Jan 2003, 22:31
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WHY NOT SET THE CLOCK TO 2000 AND THE GAME WILL BE SO MUCH BETTAR!!!!231
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11 Jan 2003, 23:27
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Open da mouth!
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Who cares
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15 Jan 2003, 10:59
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Hamster
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scaggydo
except, say for example, i am GMT and pa time is CEST. i know my time is 1 hr behind. so if for example my alliance says nightly attacks are to occur at say 2 and 3 am cest, i know to turn up at 1 or 2 am local time.
now, tell me how on a system purely timed in PT's how we can have a nightly schedule? i mean.. great, tonights attack is at say PT 237, and 238.. so tomorrows will be at.. uhm.. lets see.. uh.. nfi. fs. say my alliance forum tells me tomorrows attack will be at PT262, i then have to sit and work out what time it is now, what tick it is now, take that away from the PT of the launch and then add that number to the time now.. cmon, which is more difficult? the fk is wrong with just having a clock? just stick to a clock. once u know u are 1 hr behind the pa clock, or 6 hrs behind the pa clock or 10 hrs behind the pa clock, how difficult is it to subtract 1 hr/6hrs/10hrs from any given time? not immensly. u get used to it. anyone who finds that difficult should maybe go back to junior school.
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Problem is your looking at it from a British viewpoint. Yes subtracting 1 isnt too hard (although people still get it wrong) but in more remote timezones it is different. What makes it even worse is alot of people and alliances will also work in GMT(BST) due to most of them being from the UK which causes added confusion.
The only real problem with PT is daylight savings time which is going to cause some problems when it comes to calculating attacks but this is the same if you use True GMT which doesnt have DST
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15 Jan 2003, 11:11
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Quote:
Originally posted by jaxmax
that doesn't really matter.... cos i THINK that there are more ppl in europe not sure though.... so flame at will
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Roughly 250mil in US and roughly 600mil in europe I think.
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15 Jan 2003, 11:29
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A Big Pile of Awesome
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Quote:
Originally posted by Auda
Roughly 250mil in US and roughly 600mil in europe I think.
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lo auda, how's it going?
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15 Jan 2003, 11:44
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Quote:
Originally posted by WST
lo auda, how's it going?
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Heya m8,
pretty good thx, got bored revising, so came on here heh, hows U?
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15 Jan 2003, 12:48
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Ensign
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Quote:
Originally posted by wakey
The only real problem with PT is daylight savings time which is going to cause some problems when it comes to calculating attacks but this is the same if you use True GMT which doesnt have DST
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Actually using GMT (UT) would be best to avoid problems near the dates when DST is taken into/out of use.
People know when/if the DST happens in their country, so its easy to adapt to the time assuming PA-clock never uses DST.
If GMT/BST is used instead it's annoying if your country has DST also, but it's starting and ending times arent the same as BST. (theres at least a dozen different definitions for DST start/end dates worldwide)
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15 Jan 2003, 13:05
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Boy without a toy
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cant change from CEST, no rational arguments apply!!
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15 Jan 2003, 13:49
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Professional Troll
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Re: GMT or CEST
Quote:
Originally posted by RooKie
I hope we are not gonna change the clock of this game? I understand that its now owned by a English company, but most players are European and from the US. And after some years useing CEST, now u want them to change?
Shame on you!
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Actually most people from this game are from England, closely followed by probably Holland and Norway. USA doesn't even come into the picture on the top 5 represented countries of PA (probably), pull your head out the sand.
Edit: Having a tick counter with countdown to next tick will probably be too much load on the server, because as we know everyone doesn't tick the exact same second.
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15 Jan 2003, 13:52
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally posted by wakey
Its no differnt from having it done by GMT or CEST for most people. After all a large number of the players using whatever timezone you use has to work out what the time is in their local time and all moving to PT would do is make things easier.
For example if it was tick 115 and you said all meet here to launch at PT 123 we all know that we have to meet in 8 hours time. When its done on normal time we instead have to convert a meeting time of something like 10CEST into local time which can be alot harder which is shown every round when people turn up an hour late for attacks due to messing the conversion up. (It also happens a fair bit in PAteam meetings where people get the timezones mixed up and are then late. )
Going to a single none timezone specific timing system that doesnt require you to know the time difference of a country to work meeting time ect out would be much better
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I can see no reason to not have both - the more options available the better for the players - but then we are always screwed anyway ;-)
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15 Jan 2003, 14:11
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#50
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Victuri te Salutant
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: In a Cave
Posts: 147
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give me CEST
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Strength and Honor
Rock
A regular day on the lego server:
<Alf> We are Gren's bitches.. we should be proud to hump his legs
<Alf> wanna swap legs Nexus?
<Alf> This leg of Gren is smooth.. but I like some hair now
<Nexus> sure m8
<Nexus> i want the shaven now
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