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Unread 11 Jan 2007, 22:29   #1
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[Football]It seemed a litte early

Well it appears that David Beckham shall be leaving Real Madrid at the end of the season and going to play in America. Whilst it was widely suspected that this would happen at some point I was surprised that he would consider such a move at the age of 31.

Whilst the move is not yet official the reports seem to give a good indication of why he is moving to a relatively poor league at this stage in his career. It is being reported that he signed a five year deal worth £128 million.


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The £128m deal is understood to comprise his salary, existing sponsorship contracts, merchandising shirt sales and a share of the club profits.
And that solves the mystery of the player put out to pasture before his time.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

maybe Victoria said she would like to live in LA as well
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

will this mean the end of his carreer at the national team?
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

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will this mean the end of his carreer at the national team?
If that's a joke then, good one.

If not then,
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If that's a joke then, good one.

If not then,
it's not a joke. i know that if beckham would be dutch, he wouldn't play anymore. but considering his popularity in England, and the lack of alternatives, i'm not too sure.
so please, tell me why the answer is that obvious.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

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so please, tell me why the answer is that obvious.
He hasn't played for the England side since the world cup, because, like Eriksson, he was made a scapegoat for England's failure to win recent tournaments.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

His international career was already over, try and fight to get his place in the squad back (unlikely) or £128 million ? I think he made the best call.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

On a long term note i think it will be interesting to see whether he actually lasts the 5 years or not.

Not only is it not clear if hes good enough to play for 5 more years, but i doubt he'll stay motivated.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

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On a long term note i think it will be interesting to see whether he actually lasts the 5 years or not.

Not only is it not clear if hes good enough to play for 5 more years, but i doubt he'll stay motivated.
I believe the idea was he was going to use his fame to make 'Soccer' more popular in America.

(Ironically, one of the last times he was in America they had to argue for 30 minutes to make a department store clear everyone out so they could shop - none of them knew who he was. I don't think he bought anything ).
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

I think the money and location were all too convenient for him not to turn down.

As an English football fan, I'm disappointed he's not returning to the Premiership. Sadly he represents everything that's gone wrong with football now - the celebrity and the hype seem more important these days. A true english pro as I know it would try and prove himself, and if he thought he couldn't, then he might go to America or just retire.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

£128M is like £50 per minute or something silly isn't it?!
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

If I was earning 128 million dollars over five years I'd demand a dump truck pull up to my house and dump it all in one dollar notes on my front lawn.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

I'm bored so....

£128,000,000 for 5 years
£25,600,000 for 1 year
£492,308 for 1 week
£70,458 for 1 day
£2,936 for 1 hour
49p for 1 second
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

Apparently he could go elsewhere to get more money and wants to really bring soccer to America before he's completely lost it. All the Americans are like "omg this is the most important sporting event in history for us (or at least of soccer) :wank:". All the Brits are like "haha he's lost it, money grabber". It's sorta cool
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

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yeah, along with every other pro footballer... just because he can actually do it as opposed to aspire to do it hardly makes it ok to emblematize him with such negative issues
Source please.

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well maybe he doesn't think he could. if i were in his position i wouldn't give a ....ing shit if i could "make it" again in the premiership. the english have treated him like shit from day one. i can't believe he hasn't told the entire nation to go .... itself.
Your insight into this issue is incredible.

Either way, every time he's had to fight for a place in a team, he's bottled out.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

I dont think he even had a chance of fighting for his england place back to be honest. McLaren was too desperate to make his point
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

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I dont think he even had a chance of fighting for his england place back to be honest. McLaren was too desperate to make his point
That's certainly true of the international stage, but it's not really relevent on a club level - although he probably wouldn't be going to America if he still had a chance with the england team.

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my memory?
Forgive me for not considering your oh so reliable memory a particularly good source for something which, if you consider it to be valid, must have had some exterior trend or source to cause it to be formed.

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Your insight into this issue is incredible.
please elaborate!
You continue to be a ****wit.
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His international career was already over, try and fight to get his place in the squad back (unlikely) or £128 million ? I think he made the best call.
I don't get it, does he even need money? Doesn't he have enough already? If I were in his shoes with the amount of money he has, I wouldn't play football for salary and I'd try to go somewhere I can play quality football regularly because I like it, the pay will be enough.

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well maybe he doesn't think he could. if i were in his position i wouldn't give a ....ing shit if i could "make it" again in the premiership. the english have treated him like shit from day one. i can't believe he hasn't told the entire nation to go .... itself.
It's just because everyone wanked over him so much when he first became the captain - he's was certainly not shit, but he wasn't anywhere near as great as everyone made out - he was great at free kicks though.
I think that after joining Real Madrid, the quality of his football and his popularity declined greatly.
Although I'm not sure at which point the quality of his football started to deteriorate, I remember seeing him for the first time since he joined Real a year or so after he did, and he was pretty poor.
I also remember Owen being amazing at Liverpool, he really was a great player - and then he moved to Real in 2004, played pretty poorly in the world cup in 2006 and now while playing for Newcastle he hasn't been as good as he was for Liverpool IMO.
I just think that players that leave their clubs for Real Madrid are silly, they know that they won't get many first team opportunities due to all of the world class players at Real, they either go because they want trophies/medals (while they don't get to play very often) or a higher salary.
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Although I'm not sure at which point the quality of his football started to deteriorate, I remember seeing him for the first time since he joined Real a year or so after he did, and he was pretty poor.
All signs point to the boot-kicking escapade with Sir Alex as the turning point of his career.

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I also remember Owen being amazing at Liverpool, he really was a great player - and then he moved to Real in 2004, played pretty poorly in the world cup in 2006 and now while playing for Newcastle he hasn't been as good as he was for Liverpool IMO.
He was performing poorly at Liverpool, otherwise they wouldn't have sold him. He was performing very well at Real Madrid, and managed to win over the supporters, but was pushed out due to backroom politics. At the World Cup in 2006, he wasn't match fit and then ruptured a cruciate ligament. As much as I'd love to laugh at the failure of a player at Newcastle, he has not had a time in the black and white when he was match fit.

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I just think that players that leave their clubs for Real Madrid are silly, they know that they won't get many first team opportunities due to all of the world class players at Real, they either go because they want trophies/medals (while they don't get to play very often) or a higher salary.
I think you're confusing Real Madrid with Chelsea. Real Madrid's style was always to play the star players every match - it's been under Capello that this has changed significantly (although this certainly started with Queiroz's time at the helm, because of the end of the "Zidanes and Pavons" galactico era).

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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

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yeah hey so i gather you find your own posting style to be just as desperately shit as i do.
I don't find the posting style annoying, I find you going "hurr I know you are you said you are but what am I" annoying. It's pure playground, so you'd probably have to be awarded marks for consistency.

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i mean what kind of a dickhead finds it ok to so effortlessly waltz into posting such diabolically condescending, vacuous shit?
David Beckham was close to being regarded as a footballing god by the public and the press in 2000-2003 or so, saying that he's never being treated well showed a distinct lack of knowledge.

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stop trolling my posts because your moral framework turned out to be just as unfounded as your ego you complete spastic.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

The frustration from my point of view, is that David Beckham still has a lot to offer to many top clubs in the world, and he's wasting it on the MLS. If he's not going to play for Real, I at least hope he goes for one last hurrah at an english club on loan.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

I didn't even know we had a local soccer team, and an actual professional soccer league (Major League Soccer) for that matter, until the Beckham deal.

It's an outrageous amount of investment for a sport or a league that the average American doesn't really care for that much.

I'm guessing our professional soccer league here is about as good as you guys' college football leagues. Maybe he's going for the "easy money".
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

Well, ignoring other location benefits, one of his football academies is in Los Angeles.

Most of the money of the deal will come from sources other than the football club, in any case.
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He was performing poorly at Liverpool, otherwise they wouldn't have sold him.
He was sold to Real because he had a contract waiting for his signature for 14 months, and they didn't want to lose him on a free contract as they did with McManaman.
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He was sold to Real because he had a contract waiting for his signature for 14 months, and they didn't want to lose him on a free contract as they did with McManaman.
That's a significant factor, certainly - but if he had been hitting the heights as when he was European player of the year, it might not have been so much the case.

Having said that, rumour tells us that Gerrard and Owen were consulted as to who the post-Houllier manager should be, and Gerrard's choice won.
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Re: [Football]It seemed a litte early

who was owens choice?

Also the MLS is a better league than its given credit for. Seriously. Its better watching than the argentine or brazillian leagues, for my money (even if the standard of player is obviously lower)
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No idea, offhand. Can't remember if there wasn't one rumoured, or if I've just forgotten.
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burning effigy's of him in the press after the world cup
He's played in three, which one are you talking about?

If it's 98, then he was treated shabbily, but it probably made him a better player because Fergie was able to make him up his workrate. Also he probably deserved to be, to some extent - not quite the level of the gutter press' reaction, but then if we pay attention to them then we're in a bad way.
If it's 2002, then the press had some "Beckham bad hurr" but most of it was talking about how anything he did wrong it was because of injury, and how we'd have won it if we had Beckham fully fit.
If it's 2006, then presumeably we can remember!

From about 2000 onwards, the first significant chink in the "OH GOD HE'S INCREDIBLE" armour was with his penalty miss against Turkey, and from then on it was pretty much warranted by form.
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so beckham's been treated like shit ay?
i thought as much!
I would suggest that you should actually read and comprehend posts you reply to, before you make yourself something of a laughing stock. Unfortunately, this has already happened, so I don't really know what to say, other than to suggest that perhaps being regarded as one of the best players in the world is not quite the same as being "treated like shit ay".
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i comprehended it shithead, i just didn't want to break the post down because i knew it would lead to a 5 week saga of having to endure your vile personality. if you think calling a guy a good footballer while calling him thick, taking the .... out of his "masculinity" and hounding him the second blood is smelt IS IN MY VIEW to be treated like shit. but seeing as you're so socially inept jakiri maybe you wouldn't understand that being such an insulting faggot isn't actually ok!
You're certainly a well balanced individual.
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