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Unread 2 Dec 2005, 03:10   #1
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The free events between r15 and PAN....

Not sure what thought of things these would include, but would something like the "alliance league" I suggested be possible in the jpaweb01 be possible?

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what about fixed limit alliance battles? say only max 50 can sign up 25 per ally (if the server is doing nothing)

maybe an "alliance league"

12-24h per game, points for top planet/gal (if priv) and ofcouse alliance

if possible, overall winning alliance gets some credits

Alliances always want to fight 1 on 1, and this would make it possible

Also since it is a league, alliances wouldnt be screwed over by one bad performance


If dumps were possible, xtothez and/or sandman could setup another version of pilkara/sandmans so the non playing alliances can see whats happening
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

This would be great imo, it would allow us to keep our hands busy over the xmas break and bring a bit of friendly competition between alliances. I would like it a lot and cant wait until its implementd (if it is).
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

Let's start with G-II vs. Scythe
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

But Sycthe wouldn't even login for the first 24 hours.
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

Speed Game World Cup ftw!
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

I think its a great idea, but it won;t be in the xmas break - that will be havoc - we want an xmas break as well u know
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I think its a great idea, but it won;t be in the xmas break - that will be havoc - we want an xmas break as well u know

But we dont want you to have one
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I think its a great idea, but it won;t be in the xmas break - that will be havoc - we want an xmas break as well u know

yea for the xmas idea wasnt my idea blame piggie for that
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

seems like a good idea, I think it should be made up of around 10 allies with 1 min tick rounds for 1 day. I'd say PAteam decide which 10 alliances can play(they have to apply first) otherwise we would get all the rubbish alliances(lo UK &VS) playing which would be worthless
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seems like a good idea, I think it should be made up of around 10 allies with 1 min tick rounds for 1 day. I'd say PAteam decide which 10 alliances can play(they have to apply first) otherwise we would get all the rubbish alliances(lo UK &VS) playing which would be worthless
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seems like a good idea, I think it should be made up of around 10 allies with 1 min tick rounds for 1 day. I'd say PAteam decide which 10 alliances can play(they have to apply first) otherwise we would get all the rubbish alliances(lo UK &VS) playing which would be worthless

alliances have to enter ofcourse but PAteam really cant say "sorry you cant enter"
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

It's a great idea
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alliances have to enter ofcourse but PAteam really cant say "sorry you cant enter"
on the grounds that we will probably have a limited amount of time for this, and hence a limited number of alliances can take part - we may have to - i assume we would prioritise it based on rankings in the game or something to try and make the fights interesting.
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on the grounds that we will probably have a limited amount of time for this, and hence a limited number of alliances can take part - we may have to - i assume we would prioritise it based on rankings in the game or something to try and make the fights interesting.
maybe the top10 alliances this round can enter?

12h games, say 2 each weekend, would be 9 weeks (assuming each alliance only plays once)

hmm maybe would be better for it to be an alliance cup, and for the first round alliances randomly selected to play each other.
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maybe the top10 alliances this round can enter?
what about allies that sit rounds out, like eXi sat out R14, would they not get a chacne to play?

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12h games, say 2 each weekend, would be 9 weeks (assuming each alliance only plays once)
I was wondering if PAteam are able to run more than 1 game at a time? since they have the jpaweb01(or whatever) and they have the game.planetarion and beta.planetarion (the latter would probably be used for testing) but with 2 games at a time, we would have 4 games a week and it would speed up quite a bit.

A league would probably take too long though, a knockout cup thing would be better, but we would have to use 12 allies for this to work.
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6. #11 vs #12
7. Winner of 1 vs winner of 2
8. Winner of 3 vs winner of 4
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10. Winner of 7 vs Winner of 8
two games in one weekend would be harsh on an ally, so let them rest
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Winner of 9 vs winner of 10
As you may notice, #9,#10,#11or #12 will have an easier ride than the rest, so I think the weaker alliances should be put into these four spaces so that they get a little advantage.

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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

or its "draw out of a hat"
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or its "draw out of a hat"
But then this is unfair as a weaker alliance may be picked to fight a stronger alliance
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or its "draw out of a hat"
yeah, the names for 1-8 would be drawn out of a hat, only problem I see with that system thuogh is that the final wouldn't be so good
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

The big problem with the system that I outlined above is that the final would end up being the winner of the major battles against the winner of the 4 smaller alliances, what could be done is that they are all just picked at random and 1 ally gets lucky and has 1 less game than the others. this is what the cup map thing would look like
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#1--
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#2--     |
      2  |----
#3--     |    |
  1 |----     |
#4--          |
          3/4 |-----
#5--          |     |
  1 |----     |     |
#6--     |    |     |
      3  |----      |
#7--     |          |
  1 |----           |
#8--         4      |
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#9--                |
  2 |----           |
#10-     |          |
      3  |----------
#11-     |     
  2 |----     
#12-
The numbers inside each little match up thing are the week numbers, I'm not sure what the semi final should be, IMO it should be week 3 so that they only have 1 game on final week, altough this would be a disadvantage to allies 5-8, it will mean that they only play 1 game on final day, not 2 as the final should be the biggest battle.
or you could just drag it on for 5 weeks which would be as long as you would have it if we had 16 allies playing
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#1--
  1 |----
#2--     |
       3 |----
#3--     |    |
  1 |----     |
#4--          |
            4 |-----
#5--          |     |
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#6--     |    |     |
       3 |----      |
#7--     |          |
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#8--                |
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#9--                |
  2 |----           |
#10-     |          |
       3 |----      |
#11-     |    |     |
  2 |----     |     |
#12-          |     |
            4 |-----
#13-          |
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#14-     |    |
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#15-     |
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

I like these idea a lot. However I think PA only have 2 servers, one they use for the main game and the one they use for beta. To have 4 games in a weekend would require using both servers for this and having no testing done over the weekends, which might be possible but would probably be a lot of extra work.
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

There is the jpaweb01 server that isn't used
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

game.planetarion.com is a mirror (right word?) for jpaweb01 I think. I'm pretty sure I've seen PA team say that they have 2 servers.
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game.planetarion.com = jpaweb03.planetarion.com
beta.planetarion.com = jpaweb01.planetarion.com
www.planetarion.com = jpaweb02.planetarion.com

depending on when we do this we will have access to 01 and 03, but obviously at some point 01 will be exclusivly used for PAN stuff and 03 used for the free round.

Would theese events have to happen at weekends so the majority of people in the alliance could play?
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I would suppose so yes.
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On the contrary, if i want to play then ill have to book the weekend off. Im probably in the minority though.
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

I think this is how it will have to work:

alliances enter
based on the number of entrants we work out how much server time will be needed
we then plan a time scale and strucutre
finally we ask the alliances if they can fit into our strucutre and time scale

so all thats needed before this can go ahead is restrictions on who can enter etc - thoughts?
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I think this is how it will have to work:

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based on the number of entrants we work out how much server time will be needed
we then plan a time scale and strucutre
finally we ask the alliances if they can fit into our strucutre and time scale

so all thats needed before this can go ahead is restrictions on who can enter etc - thoughts?
And what sort of alliances can join?
top 10? or top 20?
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

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I think this is how it will have to work:

alliances enter
based on the number of entrants we work out how much server time will be needed
we then plan a time scale and strucutre
finally we ask the alliances if they can fit into our strucutre and time scale

so all thats needed before this can go ahead is restrictions on who can enter etc - thoughts?
think that is everything, and ofcourse chosing the rules like number of players per alliances.

reason I said 12h games is it makes it easier for people to have the time for it, and we can also get more games in
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And what sort of alliances can join?
top 10? or top 20?
I'd personally not like to make that sort of restriction as it would be nice if alliances from other games had the chance to compete.
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

with no restrictions it could get a little bit long don't you think? I would say alliances with 30 members min. would have to be one of the restrictions otherwise we may get zz-crew, reunion, penis-allianz, UK and VS all entering :/
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I'd personally not like to make that sort of restriction as it would be nice if alliances from other games had the chance to compete.
What about those alliances with only 1 member...and surely an alliance with 20 members cannot take an alliance with 80
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Death666, be realistic.
Well Kal did say all the alliances...unless its all the top1-10 fighting each other and the top 11-30 will fight each other
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

How many other active 1-man alliances are there except Peniz Allianz? None, nada, nix. null.
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What about those alliances with only 1 member...and surely an alliance with 20 members cannot take an alliance with 80
i said in first popst all alliances would be capped at 25-30 and then 50-60 only allowed to signup to game
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

tbh there are pros and cons to both a league style and cup style

Cup style is quicker, but then if an alliance has a bad day they are screwed.

League style: with 1 bad performance it doesnt screw everything up and you can give points for other points with each game like top planet(1) top gal, if priv, (3) then top alliance gets (5-6) but on the down side it will ofcourse take longer

note: number of points for each element just an example, and not properly thought how much each should be worth
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But then this is unfair as a weaker alliance may be picked to fight a stronger alliance

If you take a good organaised "weaker"/"smaller" alliance, and give them equal chances, then they may bring wonders in the speedrounds.
I'm talking from personal experience


And the idea Stifler produced sounds nice. But i'm atm too tired to look deeper in it. But the gemeral idea is good.

Maybe not 1vs1 but a speedround with more allies fighting it out would be nice
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

This sounds like great fun but I'm confused, is it a league or a cup challenge?


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The big problem with the system that I outlined above is that the final would end up being the winner of the major battles against the winner of the 4 smaller alliances, what could be done is that they are all just picked at random and 1 ally gets lucky and has 1 less game than the others. this is what the cup map thing would look like
I'm not a sports fan but don't they usually solve this problem by having a qualifying round at the start? A few groups play each other round-robin and then pick the winners plus X runners up to make a nice balanced tree for the cup.
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

That would take too long.
IMO, we should have 16 allies entering with 30-40 people, this would also mena that big allies like 1up, Angels and ND can enter 2 teams to fill up the available spaces (if we don't have 16 allies).
tbh, I don't think that only allies playing this round should be able to play as there are pretty good allies who have sat out round/play in other games like Hydra, Dragons, LDK, Ministry etc.
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This sounds like great fun but I'm confused, is it a league or a cup challenge?
thats what people are discussing, there are advantages for both
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I dont think that the free events should be locked to the ppl in the top alliances. In my mind is should be to atract more ppl to play pa. How that will work i dont know, but if only the top 10 alliances can play it wont help the game.
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

I don't know if it's possible (depends how long it'd take to get working, and Kloopy will probably be busy with PAN stuff) but we could run them all at the same time.

C1 = Alliance 1, with (up to) 3 galaxies
C2 = Alliance 2, with (up to) 3 galaxies
C3 = Alliance 3, with up to 3 gals..

you get the idea.
C1 can only hit C2, C2 can only hit C1
Then, in the next phase, C1 can only hit C3 say, and C2 can only hit C4.

We could do it and put all planets in the same cluster that are playing against each other, but that may involve even more code changes.
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Re: The free events between r15 and PAN....

This is a swell idea. I guess the main issue would be getting good alliances to participate.
A free credit can't be the main attraction. A way to avoid feeling like a speed round would have to be decided. Plus, alliances put so much work into real round, it would be hard to convince them to do ADDITIONAL work for an alliance war. I hope everyone hops on board though. It could actually be quite fun. Especially for the people who care **** all about spending so much time during a real round. Now they can be a tad hardcore and fight another alliance in a 1on1 situation. I think thats good.
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I don't know if it's possible (depends how long it'd take to get working, and Kloopy will probably be busy with PAN stuff) but we could run them all at the same time.

C1 = Alliance 1, with (up to) 3 galaxies
C2 = Alliance 2, with (up to) 3 galaxies
C3 = Alliance 3, with up to 3 gals..

you get the idea.
C1 can only hit C2, C2 can only hit C1
Then, in the next phase, C1 can only hit C3 say, and C2 can only hit C4.

We could do it and put all planets in the same cluster that are playing against each other, but that may involve even more code changes.
if this was possible it would solve a most of the issues between chosing a cup or league style

In this case, would personally prefer league style since as I said previously you can give points for different things and alliances are judged over a number of matches against different opponents. Could also people possible to have alliances play each other twice.
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personally I think I will commit suicide if we find more things for Kloopy to code on the old code
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Maybe the winning alliance could get a litttle Cup Icon beside their alliance name ingame to show they were the winners shit idea but oh well...i was bored
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