Go Go Wolfpack

[ph8]

Is it just me or have Pack really risen in the rankings this round? I was with them two rounds ago before I started my stint as a PA Admin (Go 'Pateam alliance'!) and they were doing well but never usually made it higher then 3rd or 4th - what's happened this round?

I know most of their staff and they're a brilliant bunch of guys (and girls) so well done peoples, go drive 1up into the ground for me!

[ComradeRob]

Originally Posted by ph8

go drive 1up into the ground for me!

Admin bias!!!112233

[ph8]

1up have bashed me into the ground many many times

/me restores the 1up ships that 'disappeared' recently and glances around guiltily *g*

[Phil^]

/me coughs loudly

[Lei~]

heh true wp are having a really nice round... thats the first round since like rd4 oi see wp as a contender for the victory.
i dint think i would see that again.

[Phil^]

the rounds still early days yet. too early imo to be calling it in favour of any alliance. things can change as the round goes on.

[NitinA]

Originally Posted by Phil^

the rounds still early days yet. too early imo to be calling it in favour of any alliance. things can change as the round goes on.

Agreed. But I would like to say I'm proud of the job our Wolves have done so far

-NitinA

[Lei~]

well the round might be early but normally i knew at this time that WP wouldnt win the round...
so definitely an improvement

[General Martok]

I'm not playing this round, so don't kill me for being uninformed, but with what alliance(s, if any) is WP allied or NAPed atm?

[Assassin]

Always nice to see Wolfpack in top

[Gumbie]

Three points to make.

1) This is just a continuing trend from previous rounds, where wp have been steadily improving and moving up the ladder.

2) Not to detract from their performance, but they have more players than everyone else, and aren't involved in any block wars that can remove 25% of their roids in 1 night.

3) Mistu were in the same position in round 12, as impartial roiders taking advantage of the distractions going on. How carefully they select their targets will determine whether the universe lets them continue or not.

[Rinoa]

The question is at what stage in the round will the alliances behind WP realise that with only a certain amount of ticks left, they better stop the inter block war and start targeting WP if they want a chance of catching them

[Bashar]

I seem to remember WP as joint winners of round 6.

[Nitros]

arent all alliance fighting with eachother and WP taking the easy roids? - anything new, heh

edit: however, still well played so far

[Lei~]

did i play rd 6? no therefore for me they havent been a contender until now.
Except in rd 4 or something shortly after their foundatioon in any case

[Alessio]

Go Go Wolfpack

There cruisin!!

[mens]

yea, didn't all the top 10 gals in r6 tag Brotherhood? (wp&nos)

btw still too early to make predictions about this round.
veeery open atm.

[themast]

WP will stay top untill one of the blocks targets them

[mens]

and ND will die when we start targetting them

[SteInMetz]

Originally Posted by mens

and ND will die when we start targetting them

ND dont die before WE want it to

oh and btw, beste tells me to slap you with love from him

[themast]

Originally Posted by mens

and ND will die when we start targetting them

dont kid urself

[furssie]

It's fascinating how member numbers can virtually make people blind.

For me, one week of Angels and LCH do what they did the past 2 days - they'll en route themselves to dethrone Wolfpack.

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Gumbie

3) Mistu were in the same position in round 12, as impartial roiders taking advantage of the distractions going on. How carefully they select their targets will determine whether the universe lets them continue or not.

Mistu were impartial last round? Is my memory faulty or were Mistu quite actively seeking war with 1up last round.

[Gumbie]

Right at the start? I thought MISTU roided everyone until everyone turned and wiped them out. Guess my memory must be faulty :/

[Nskel]

WP is doing well this roud, but I agree it's to early to say who wins. Tho, You can stil 'speculate'. I'm partial tho ^^.

[Gate]

I'd like to see how Wolfpack hold up in a proper war, it's just something I find interesting. So far, all I've seen of them in alliance conflict was where they got hammered by FPM in PaX.5, and where they turned up (very) late to the party last round and did some nice attacks, such as fleetcatching cocteau. Neither of which was a very good indicator of their capabilities in a protracted conflict.

Maybe if our block somehow wins, I'll be able to face Nitin over swarms of followers and a bunch of battlecalcs.

[Alki]

theyve yet to involve themselves this round tbh so u dont know there capabilities, though i have to admit rabba has done an amazin job turnin there mil around, but as i said no1 knows there capability yet.
p.s. i see what u mean by wp would be a changed alliance this round rabba<3

[noah02]

they just holding the roids for everyone with 5% interest added.
Soon the loan sharks will want there roids back.

[Squishy]

I know ware u live noah

[The_Fish]

Did WP come off the fence yet?

[Yaroslav]

In fact it's funny how not being in a block is staying out of the war nowdays, when blocks always were considered as the most horrible thing in this game.

[noah02]

Originally Posted by Squishy

I know ware u live noah

I wouldnt attack wolfpack unless it was by accident m8ty :P
I likes wp remember


p.s I know where YOU live.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Yaroslav

In fact it's funny how not being in a block is staying out of the war nowdays, when blocks always were considered as the most horrible thing in this game.

Misconception #1 about Planetarion.

Blocking has had little to do with bad rounds. Infact, it's equally as likely to produce a good round as a bad one when you look closely.

Blocking is actually a legitimate tactic, it is when it is used to the point of stagnation and abused when it is totally counterproductive.

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by lokken

Misconception #1 about Planetarion.

Blocking has had little to do with bad rounds. Infact, it's equally as likely to produce a good round as a bad one when you look closely.

Blocking is actually a legitimate tactic, it is when it is used to the point of stagnation and abused when it is totally counterproductive.

Now, a rant from a person who has no clue about official standings of any of the related alliances. Just in theory.

So, lokken, what do you feel about the universe's situation at the moment? From a theoretical view of a person not very into politics, it seems that a significant part of the "top alliances" at the moment are in the same side of the fence, while the people on the other side of the fence are thrown to average roid counts less than 300 (which is, frankly, quite close to the *average size of a planet in the universe*, which includes newbies, inactives, and other 100-roid planets). Now should an alliance or two "on the fence" "participate", do you think it would "help" with the current political situation, or would it, as noah stated earlier, just result in the "inevitable" -25% size per night -style?

And, would this go on to stagnation? Or an interesting round?

[Yaroslav]

Originally Posted by lokken

Misconception #1 about Planetarion.

Blocking has had little to do with bad rounds. Infact, it's equally as likely to produce a good round as a bad one when you look closely.

Blocking is actually a legitimate tactic, it is when it is used to the point of stagnation and abused when it is totally counterproductive.

Blocks can give a nice round yes, but in the PA experience basically most of rounds with big blocks finished after first weeks, and became stagnated quite fast. Anyways I didnt mean to start a block discussions, I just pointed out that blocks are considered a bad thing for the majority of players (that post in forums) , and I found it funny that wolfpack is always considered either a fencesitting alliance or just a lucky ally in the right block. It has been this way since r6, and guess that that will never change

[lokken]

I was generalising about Planetarion over time, because condemning blocking as wrong is just going over the top and is simply hysteria.

I agree, that over the past 2 days 1up and co seem to have been under it from nigh on everyone. However, there will be a time when someone will need to find better targets to catch up with the leaders (or pull away from the pack) so it will happen naturally soon enough. They are losing badly currently because it's the start of the round, and people are going out (presumably) to get revenge and are paranoid at the threat they pose - eventually people will realise that actually you need to win, and they'll have their own gameplans i'm sure. The winner this round will be the ones who are in it for the long haul. Alliances should remember that he who laughs last, laughs loudest.

My view is that there are alliances participating, just because they aren't necessarily complicit, doesn't mean they aren't participating. Will there be stagnation? Only HC's know that. I do think burnout might well be a factor in this round, as it seems very intense, so alliances may well fall flat on their fact simply because they can't keep going at such a relentless pace.

I am not playing this round, but i still keep up with the game through my various contacts (I have no time to be woken up at 4-5am) and so far i've had plenty of positive reaction to my logbook, so I presume I'm keeping up with events quite well.

[Lei~]

as long as blocks keep shifting and roids changing their owners something must go right.
I like this round very much so far even inactive as i am

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by lokken

My view is that there are alliances participating, just because they aren't necessarily complicit, doesn't mean they aren't participating. Will there be stagnation? Only HC's know that. I do think burnout might well be a factor in this round, as it seems very intense, so alliances may well fall flat on their fact simply because they can't keep going at such a relentless pace.

This is a nice paragraph. It's still early round (well, first quarter, third or whatever is starting to shift into second), and there's a lot to happen yet. Most obviously, though, this round will be (if not burnouts) a test of fortitude. With the given stats, roids can come and go, and seeing people demoralized this early is quite... Sad. Personally I bet five cents on a potential burnout on myself, though.

[Orion Treet]

WP is indeed doing well this round, they have some extremely capable HC in there, and I sort of saw this coming after they're great performance especially late round 12. Will be interesting to see how they hold out when they start being activily targetted by the blocks. GL WP!

[NitinA]

Originally Posted by Gate

Maybe if our block somehow wins, I'll be able to face Nitin over swarms of followers and a bunch of battlecalcs.

The pleasure would be all mine

-NitinA

[Heartless]

Let's wait for WP having to do some real fighting. (just my personal opinion)

[furball]

Originally Posted by lokken

My view is that there are alliances participating, just because they aren't necessarily complicit, doesn't mean they aren't participating. Will there be stagnation? Only HC's know that. I do think burnout might well be a factor in this round, as it seems very intense, so alliances may well fall flat on their fact simply because they can't keep going at such a relentless pace.

Originally Posted by Tietäjä

This is a nice paragraph. It's still early round (well, first quarter, third or whatever is starting to shift into second), and there's a lot to happen yet. Most obviously, though, this round will be (if not burnouts) a test of fortitude. With the given stats, roids can come and go, and seeing people demoralized this early is quite... Sad. Personally I bet five cents on a potential burnout on myself, though.

I agree. Sadly I have to report the first burnout - myself. After a lot of late-night/early-morning DCing, running dry on defence as every ally is, I then exiled from my crappy galaxy and spent 2 days on pro plus watching my planet being ravaged by opportunistic alliance peons while I tried to get exiled again. It took 4 hops to get to where I am now, and I was completely drained.

All I can do is salute VGN for letting me take a few days off DCing, etc, and sleep. I'm back again ofc, but I doubt I'm the only one. This round can get very demoralising because of the problem with covering calls, since you need about 3x defence value to stop an attacker capping roids. It's sad, and all alliance HCs should be thinking about how they will keep their members going in a few weeks time.


-furball

[Tietäjä]

The motivational issue with defence covering is indeed a huge one. It's difficult to have members realize it actually happens a lot - it's just characteristical for this round and these statistics - and, what comes to defence command, inflicting damage to the attacker this round seems far better option than just trying to stop *it* from inevitably happening. You'll just have to make your members understand that roids aren't easy to hold. And that they are quite easy to cap.

Using 3x value defences just so that you can make your point and have that bcalc show one or ten lost roids instead of fifty or seventy is just a waste of fleet, and slots. Most people do realize landing is *bad* if it means you'd take average to heavy losses even if gaining roids.

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by Tietäjä

The motivational issue with defence covering is indeed a huge one. It's difficult to have members realize it actually happens a lot - it's just characteristical for this round and these statistics - and, what comes to defence command, inflicting damage to the attacker this round seems far better option than just trying to stop *it* from inevitably happening. You'll just have to make your members understand that roids aren't easy to hold. And that they are quite easy to cap.

Using 3x value defences just so that you can make your point and have that bcalc show one or ten lost roids instead of fifty or seventy is just a waste of fleet, and slots. Most people do realize landing is *bad* if it means you'd take average to heavy losses even if gaining roids.

however, XP is the key to doing well in this situation. Everyone is gaining and losing roids, and if you are landing on someone with a higher value than yourself, its worth landing even if you take big losses, for the XP. Even if short term your score goes down, your XP will never leave you, and your ships may have left you the next day anyways.

[Kree]

Originally Posted by Heartless

Let's wait for WP having to do some real fighting. (just my personal opinion)

the ouzo def god ? heya

[Cocteau]

Hmmm. Did anyone mention OuZo ? I doubt Heartless is playing.

lo Kree m8

[ph8]

We don't put enough weight on defence - i'd like to see more rewards for it!

[Gate]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

however, XP is the key to doing well in this situation. Everyone is gaining and losing roids, and if you are landing on someone with a higher value than yourself, its worth landing even if you take big losses, for the XP. Even if short term your score goes down, your XP will never leave you, and your ships may have left you the next day anyways.

And this is why, in a war situation, defence can also be important. If you can dissaude some small enemies from landing on your biggest value/most roid player, you can prevent an enemy alliance getting a tasty score boost, of 1.2k per roid... 1 point denied to your enemy may not be worth one point of your own, but it's very useful nontheless.

And hence why, several times this round, I've landed on quite nasty bcalcs and come off fine \o/

[Tietäjä]

And especially for a smaller player, loosing large portions of fleet doesn't necessarily cut it. If you loose the a major piece of your roids the next night, you're bare naked for a while. Of course, you can hit newbies with more value than you got for JUICY xp and be very useful in for example, defending, once you've got your fleet wasted.

[SimbaX]

Originally Posted by Nonentity

All I can do is salute VGN for letting me take a few days off DCing, etc, and sleep. I'm back again ofc, but I doubt I'm the only one. This round can get very demoralising because of the problem with covering calls, since you need about 3x defence value to stop an attacker capping roids. It's sad, and all alliance HCs should be thinking about how they will keep their members going in a few weeks time.


-furball

a truer word has not been spoken this round :/