r38 ... why initiate more than 200 roids before tick 1 ?

[MEX]

Hi all,

I see many planets now during tick 0 of round 38 with more than 300 roids

Is there something I didn't calculate right, or are these all are just ROID FARMS ?

MfG, MEX

PS: I didn't play PA for several years ...

[JonnyBGood]

PA is currently very different to what it was in terms of the first ticks. The main differences are that now protection, which used to last 72 hours, only lasts 24 hours. The second major difference is that you get startup bonuses which you can spend on initing roids/saving for ships and researches and constructions.

If people initiate to 300 roids they get a guaranteed income for the first 24+8 (traveltime until you get landed on by first attackers) income for that time. It's just under 16k each res to initiate your 100th roid (and you need to initiate in even amounts these days, there's very little difference between the different types of roids except mild differences in ship costs). With a 25% mining bonus (see your population screen) and various government bonuses ranging from 5 to 20%, you can mine 350 of each res per tick from your 100th asteroid. So as long as you don't get roided the first night you're guaranteed to gain more resources from those roids than they cost to initiate.

As well as this it's a slight carry-over from before protection times dropped down from 72 to 24 ticks where some planets could initiate up to 500 roids and have them guaranteed to pay off before they got roided. So the fact that lots of people do it means you stand out less.

Basically it's a bit of a gamble on not getting roided early on, especially when you start going towards 500 roids as you really start to stand out then.



PS Judging by your join date I'd guess that maybe you weren't playing when the cost of initiating roids was decreased by 40% for r21. This changed the dynamics of the early ticks significantly. Whereas around r13-20 the best approach was to init like 160 roids and attack early on initing to 300 became pretty viable afterwards.

[Light]

init to 200 if you're CR/BS rushing.
init to 300 if you're new or not sure.
init to 450 if you want to take a risk.

I personally always init to 450 as i dont like to play catchup, plus with your upgrade bonus and stockpiled resources.. you can outprod most incomings you might get.

[MEX]

Originally Posted by Light

init to 200 if you're CR/BS rushing.
init to 300 if you're new or not sure.
init to 450 if you want to take a risk.

I personally always init to 450 as i dont like to play catchup, plus with your upgrade bonus and stockpiled resources.. you can outprod most incomings you might get.

I decided to go for 200-300 roids before I started this topic.

As I am currently not in a alliance I didn't want to stand out too much, and I only can mine up to 200 roid effectively after tick 2 as I decided to spend my bonus for other researches.

MfG, MEX

[Patrikc]

Don't forget, you can always reset your planet from the Preferences page and 'try again', at no cost or penalty (even if you've used your Credit).

[MEX]

Originally Posted by Patrikc

Don't forget, you can always reset your planet and 'try again' from the Preferences page, at no cost or penalty (even if you've used your Credit).

Already did that ( that feature was new to me ) as I accidentally did the first 2 quests which give you 24 roids total before initating my other roids from the bonus cash

MfG, MEX

[DragonKing]

Originally Posted by MEX

As I am currently not in a alliance
MfG, MEX

on a separate note i would recommend getting an alliance asap

[Patrikc]

Originally Posted by DragonKing

on a separate note i would recommend getting an alliance asap

You just don't want last round to repeat itself!

[MEX]

Originally Posted by DragonKing

on a separate note i would recommend getting an alliance asap

Which alliance would you suggest for someone who just play for fun, but is still interested in participating in a competent alliance which doesnt restrict his actions too much ?

MfG, MEX

[Sun_Tzu]

Originally Posted by MEX

Which alliance would you suggest for someone who just play for fun, but is still interested in participating in a competent alliance which doesnt restrict his actions too much ?

MfG, MEX

Well...usually I'd say ND, but seeing as how they were ~95 last round and the limit got dropped, I'm guessing there's no room.

SMART THING THAT ALLIANCE LIMIT AYEH?!

[isildurx]

Ct/oddr?

[Alki]

id suggest you start your own! because shit like that dont exist yo

[Sun_Tzu]

Originally Posted by isildurx

Ct/oddr?

Or Horde maybe now.

[Pug]

Originally Posted by Patrikc

You just don't want last round to repeat itself!

lol

EDIT (for some substance): Do the math and a quick start strat on your roids and how you feel you want to proceed. As JBG said, you can get your recources back in time and as Light said, be in better standing to out prod some, if not most incs.

[MEX]

Originally Posted by Alki

id suggest you start your own! because shit like that dont exist yo

Already did that because of the roids from the first 2 quests you get for joining a alliance, posting in a alliance forum, sharing scans with your alliance, ...

I remember that there was a restriction that you cant join a alliance for several ticks after leaving a alliance, did they remove this or how long do you have to wait after deleting your alliance or leaving it ?

MfG, MEX

[Reincarnate]

if you leave the alliance before ticks start you can join another straight away.

another reason people init lots of roids is if they are zik and actually want incoming so they can steal it.

[CBA]

Originally Posted by MEX

Already did that because of the roids from the first 2 quests you get for joining a alliance, posting in a alliance forum, sharing scans with your alliance, ...

I remember that there was a restriction that you cant join a alliance for several ticks after leaving a alliance, did they remove this or how long do you have to wait after deleting your alliance or leaving it ?

MfG, MEX

At tick 0 you can leave and re-join a different alliance as many times as you like. Try #horde. They're new this round recruiting new players to train them up. this would be a good starting place for you anyhow.

[MEX]

Originally Posted by CBA

At tick 0 you can leave and re-join a different alliance as many times as you like...

And after tick 0 ?

MfG, MEX

[Mzyxptlk]

Then you can only join a new one 48 ticks after leaving your old one.

[HeimdallR]

Originally Posted by MEX

Which alliance would you suggest for someone who just play for fun, but is still interested in participating in a competent alliance which doesnt restrict his actions too much ?

MfG, MEX

ct/oddr/hr/horde (new from this round).

anyways we have a few spots left #oddr

[Edge]

Howling Rain is recruiting.

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=198823

And yeah we'z get down.