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View Poll Results: Which set should be run for R74
Balanced set (Speedgame server) 42 51.22%
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Unread 4 Oct 2017, 19:55   #51
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Re: R74 shipstats choices

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Pure Harpies are always better against Co than Harpies with Phantoms, in any ratio.
My point is that this is false, a combination of the two is better against pure EMP. But add any significant Etd fleet to the mix and Harpy would be better due to init. For defensive support planets, I'd still pick Phantom any day, but Harpy is pretty good for those that attack or only defend with Alliance Fleets.


If we really do go down the road of changing Spider or Lancer to EMP vs Co, don't do a straight up fire-first interaction, but make one or the other higher init with very high ERes. Simply throwing 60-65% of value in Spider against a Cat Co inc will otherwise be the most used action in a DC's repertoire. Something like Beetle init 1, Spider 2, Flea 3, Moth 4, with increasing ERes to deal with being later EMP.
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I'm not a fan of ST in general but of the two sets I vote for the beta set as it looks more interesting
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My point is that this is false, a combination of the two is better against pure EMP.
Whoops. You're 100% correct.
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...But Harpies are flak. Small and cheap, exactly what you want. I'm beginning to doubt whether you understand how EMP works.

That said, when your flak is better than the thing you're flakking, you should probably reconsider. Pure Harpies are always better against Co than Harpies with Phantoms, in any ratio. Better ERes against Beetles, better init against Vindicator. Against pure Cat I'd prefer the Vindicator (even better ERes, more damage), but beating both Co fleets with a single ship is worth losing a bit of efficiency vs. Cat.

(It is too bad you can't fake them, though.)
Does the fact phantoms can be faked outweigh what they lack in the flak department? Is Harpy truly viable in an alliance strat? Or do we just discount Terran because of Cats strength?
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I only posted because I thought I saw a flaw in Patrikc's argument. I was wrong, but in any case, I never took a position on whether Co, Harpy or Phantom are good or bad. I haven't done the detailed stat analysis required to answer your question.
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Also, even ignoring the Nightmare, Fr makes it hard to justify going Bs. Viper being quite efficient along with the Shadow being expensive (targeted less + higher relative armor) means it easily beats Bs, and with a short travel time to boot.

Things to consider, though they may be moot with the Nightmare around:
Decreasing cost of Shadow
Decrease efficiency of Viper (at the very least I'd do this)
Increase cost of Wyv/Marauder (with appropriate ERes increase)
Increase Damage of above two ships, perhaps at the cost of armor

I don't see Cr doing very well, however as Kaiba said it might be a 'dark horse', catching unprepared alliances off guard. Would be cool if Nightmare was init4 vs De, then you could team with Etd using Fi pods! Going a bit off course here though...

De's only chance is to team with *drums* Cat Co. Banshee+Spider or simply the Cutlass are easy covers with tt advantage.
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So Cat Co round it is?
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Also, even ignoring the Nightmare, Fr makes it hard to justify going Bs. Viper being quite efficient along with the Shadow being expensive (targeted less + higher relative armor) means it easily beats Bs, and with a short travel time to boot.

Things to consider, though they may be moot with the Nightmare around:
Decreasing cost of Shadow
Decrease efficiency of Viper (at the very least I'd do this)
Increase cost of Wyv/Marauder (with appropriate ERes increase)
Increase Damage of above two ships, perhaps at the cost of armor

I don't see Cr doing very well, however as Kaiba said it might be a 'dark horse', catching unprepared alliances off guard. Would be cool if Nightmare was init4 vs De, then you could team with Etd using Fi pods! Going a bit off course here though...

De's only chance is to team with *drums* Cat Co. Banshee+Spider or simply the Cutlass are easy covers with tt advantage.

Yeah I think on a large scale CR doesn't work out, but that 30 man ally that goes full CR is gonna be a pain in the twat.


Also no worries mz, it was just out of interest. I can't play PA with these stats so it won't affect my round.
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Re: R74 shipstats choices

My final review of the R74 stats is done. Hope i didn't miss anything.

The final set can be found here. It should be announced as final tomorrow aswell by appocomaster when he makes his round changes post.

There were a few more changes than I expected because of a new feature making its entrance in R74. This feature affected the shipstats. I tried to adjust the shipstats as best as possible to take this new feature into account. But since it's new i don't have any experience with it either. So let's hope i made the right choices.

My final advise is wait for the new feature to be announced before looking at the shipstats further because it will change your interpretation of them.

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I think you should tell us about the new feature. Now we can't complain the set sucks.
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Re: R74 shipstats choices

A xan Fr with less armour and less damage than a xan Co, is there a mistake (ghost vs rev)?

Does the new feature have to do with the reflective technology ?
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That does seem like an awfully large Co.
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A xan Fr with less armour and less damage than a xan Co, is there a mistake (ghost vs rev)?

Does the new feature have to do with the reflective technology ?
I do think this is a mistake. We will see the reflective ships, if approved, as soon as next round. It needs to be coded first. It's some other feature.
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I do think this is a mistake. We will see the reflective ships, if approved, as soon as next round. It needs to be coded first. It's some other feature.
If you see reflective before round 80 I'll be surprised. It's not a simple inclusion. Need to work out they will work first

I imagine the new feature is PDS as its been asked for for ages
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Yeah, basically any round before 80 would be a huge success. Not a coder, yet I can imagine this is not something simple to do.

Guess we will have to wait till tonight to learn about the new feature.
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Re: R74 shipstats choices

PDS as it has been used in PA is nothing more than unmovable ships. I doubt we will see them again in that form.
Maybe the return of some kind of priority attack... targets ships, or target roids, that would give extra kill power or roid capture.
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Reflective ships?
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Looking very forward to the new race being introduced will make the game alot more interesting
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My final review of the R74 stats is done. Hope i didn't miss anything.

The final set can be found here. It should be announced as final tomorrow aswell by appocomaster when he makes his round changes post.

There were a few more changes than I expected because of a new feature making its entrance in R74. This feature affected the shipstats. I tried to adjust the shipstats as best as possible

To prevent anyone else from being surprised, the big changes are Lancer now being EMP at init 1, Beetle moved to init 2. I also believe Mantis was not init 3 before, Cath is now very weak to Cr.
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Check the suggestion here: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=201433
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Instead of spending time on discussing stats/changes, maybe someone should come up with a program/code that makes random stuff get implemented into stats or into the game.
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