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Pat's set (http://beta.planetarion.com/manual.pl?page=stats) 19 35.85%
Alternative set (http://speedgame.planetarion.com/manual.pl?page=stats) 22 41.51%
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Unread 17 Mar 2016, 13:05   #101
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Spot on
How is this spot on? "In terms of attack and defence" is soley stats based.
And how is cloack a difficult ability to learn?
Mind you these advices for what race to pick was made ages ago, before most of the current playerbase even started playing id assume.
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So you are advicing new players to go for Terran this round?



Im sure with these stats, we will end up with around 3-40% xans, so my advice would be go zik
That wasn't the point being made butcher so please dont twist people's words. For this round Terran is a waste of time if you plan to be ranking high and helping in lots of wars, defence. If you are new and learning the game then Terran is more than viable, as a race it still offers the best learning curve. But then you don't know anything about hoe the races work expect for being a sub standard stats analyzer (I have seen your thoughts on fleet builds and you got laughed out the channel) so this is falling on deaf/ignorant ears.
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That wasn't the point being made butcher so please dont twist people's words. For this round Terran is a waste of time if you plan to be ranking high and helping in lots of wars, defence. If you are new and learning the game then Terran is more than viable, as a race it still offers the best learning curve. But then you don't know anything about hoe the races work expect for being a sub standard stats analyzer (I have seen your thoughts on fleet builds and you got laughed out the channel) so this is falling on deaf/ignorant ears.
Then tell me how Terran is usualy been played in the recent years?
Often the best terran players are valueheavy. New players rarely go value heavy.
From experince often xan/cat is the easiest races to play, or be usefull with.
The RP/T is horribole with, often when i go terran i do so with a long term goal of being bigger than the rest the last 400 ticks.
From history we have experinced that terran rarely have FI/CO roiding fleets, and often they tend to lean towards capital hulls, like in these stats.

Cath how ever allows you to get your research done fast, and allows you to basicly, roid any planet smaller than your own often.

Xan allows you to fake fleets, and be usefull even with lower value for gal def.


Getting laughed off by you and mikee having a political/stratical discussion in a alliance where one of the HC had 0 amps pt800 basicly, while being a top3 planet, i dont realy mind.
After you explained how one was to win in PA the discussion realy stopped being serious.
Adapting to the situation/round instead of following a "blueprint to sucsess" has always and will always be what its all about
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Kaiba and Paisley are right. First round is learning time, not ranking time. Terran is the simplest race.
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Unread 17 Mar 2016, 15:24   #105
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Then tell me how Terran is usualy been played in the recent years?
Often the best terran players are valueheavy. New players rarely go value heavy.
From experince often xan/cat is the easiest races to play, or be usefull with.
The RP/T is horribole with, often when i go terran i do so with a long term goal of being bigger than the rest the last 400 ticks.
From history we have experinced that terran rarely have FI/CO roiding fleets, and often they tend to lean towards capital hulls, like in these stats.

Cath how ever allows you to get your research done fast, and allows you to basicly, roid any planet smaller than your own often.

Xan allows you to fake fleets, and be usefull even with lower value for gal def.


Getting laughed off by you and mikee having a political/stratical discussion in a alliance where one of the HC had 0 amps pt800 basicly, while being a top3 planet, i dont realy mind.
After you explained how one was to win in PA the discussion realy stopped being serious.
Adapting to the situation/round instead of following a "blueprint to sucsess" has always and will always be what its all about
This is completely why you should have no hand in running a training alliance.

For a newer player you want them to learn basic combat, basic defence, value building teamwork.

You can do all of these basic areas effectively with Terran, especially the value building as Terran has resource perks which can offset poor initial construction choices. Terran has normal combat ships, it basically does what it says on the tin m. Kills stuff.

Cathaar has no combat, it essentially a support race for its team mate and for a new player not doing any damage is boring.

Xan does damage but trying to explain all the nuances of cloaked play to a newbie is not worth it until they have experienced seeing Xan incommings, pod fakes, fake def etc, it's maybe a second round race if they are feeling confident.

Zik is the last race a noob should play as stealing is definitely a fine art, when done right, there is way too much to lose from a bad call and it's very easy to lose ground value wise if you don't 100% understand how salvage works.

Etd is kinda like Zik lite, I would recommend a player tries it before going Zik, as it's kind of an introduction to stealing race
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This is completely why you should have no hand in running a training alliance.

For a newer player you want them to learn basic combat, basic defence, value building teamwork.

You can do all of these basic areas effectively with Terran, especially the value building as Terran has resource perks which can offset poor initial construction choices. Terran has normal combat ships, it basically does what it says on the tin m. Kills stuff.

Cathaar has no combat, it essentially a support race for its team mate and for a new player not doing any damage is boring.

Xan does damage but trying to explain all the nuances of cloaked play to a newbie is not worth it until they have experienced seeing Xan incommings, pod fakes, fake def etc, it's maybe a second round race if they are feeling confident.

Zik is the last race a noob should play as stealing is definitely a fine art, when done right, there is way too much to lose from a bad call and it's very easy to lose ground value wise if you don't 100% understand how salvage works.

Etd is kinda like Zik lite, I would recommend a player tries it before going Zik, as it's kind of an introduction to stealing race
As a new player, value racing more experince players is a lost cause.
The strengths of Terran as a race therefor does not realy favour the new player every round.
If the goal was to learn basic combat, basic defence, basic whatnot, why wouldnt ETD be the recommended race? they got all the things the other races got? Then you will learn it more quickly than if you were playing something else?
And how is Cat a support race? If you look at past rounds rankings you will find that 3/10 top10 planet is Caths basicly.
That would suggest that they are the planets getting supported.
If you read the race descriptions you would realise how outdated, and not relevant they are:

"Cathaar can only kill half of the ship types, but they can EMP (stun) any ship in the game."
We have had rounds where cat couldnt kill any ships, and rounds that cat could kill every class almost.

"Terran planets have bigger, more expensive ships, with heavier armour and cause greater damage."

"Xandathrii have lots of small, cheap ships which are equipped with cloaking technology which operates whilst they are in transit and as such certain scans do not work against them. They fire quickly with high damage, but to compensate for this their armour is the worst of all races."
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Unread 18 Mar 2016, 07:46   #107
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As a new player, value racing more experince players is a lost cause.
The strengths of Terran as a race therefor does not realy favour the new player every round.
If the goal was to learn basic combat, basic defence, basic whatnot, why wouldnt ETD be the recommended race? they got all the things the other races got? Then you will learn it more quickly than if you were playing something else?
And how is Cat a support race? If you look at past rounds rankings you will find that 3/10 top10 planet is Caths basicly.
That would suggest that they are the planets getting supported.
If you read the race descriptions you would realise how outdated, and not relevant they are:

"Cathaar can only kill half of the ship types, but they can EMP (stun) any ship in the game."
We have had rounds where cat couldnt kill any ships, and rounds that cat could kill every class almost.

"Terran planets have bigger, more expensive ships, with heavier armour and cause greater damage."

"Xandathrii have lots of small, cheap ships which are equipped with cloaking technology which operates whilst they are in transit and as such certain scans do not work against them. They fire quickly with high damage, but to compensate for this their armour is the worst of all races."
Once again you completely miss the point of what is being said.

It's not about racing anyone. It's about teaching them to play the basics of the game. Terran is the best race to do this with. Its not a debate it's just a commonly used method that works.

Only Caths description is wrong there too, and only wrong depending on who made the stats for that round. The rest is a pretty accurate description imo.

Finally no ETD is not the best choice, although I can understand why you mistakenly believe this giving a new person so much choice only ends up confusing them more.

The core idea with a new player is teaching them to research, construct, attack and defend. If you actually look at Terran they are 'almost' equal in all areas. Every other races has and advantage and disadvantage (cath has quick research and slow cons for example), it's better for them to be able to learn with what is a stable race rather than a disjointed one tailored to a certain area.
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Why is terran the best race for new players booji?
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So you are advicing new players to go for Terran this round?
Every time you put to signify sarcasm or "wit", please advise us so that we can respond in kind with a host of Butcher rhetoric that ranges from "I don't even play anymore" to "Bows is high tier and just gets unlucky round after round"

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People who don't play the game any more but still hang around on IRC and the forums are the worst.
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Once again you completely miss the point of what is being said.

It's not about racing anyone. It's about teaching them to play the basics of the game. Terran is the best race to do this with. Its not a debate it's just a commonly used method that works.

Only Caths description is wrong there too, and only wrong depending on who made the stats for that round. The rest is a pretty accurate description imo.

Finally no ETD is not the best choice, although I can understand why you mistakenly believe this giving a new person so much choice only ends up confusing them more.

The core idea with a new player is teaching them to research, construct, attack and defend. If you actually look at Terran they are 'almost' equal in all areas. Every other races has and advantage and disadvantage (cath has quick research and slow cons for example), it's better for them to be able to learn with what is a stable race rather than a disjointed one tailored to a certain area.
Im not missing what people are saying, im just choosing to ignore it.
The race discription is old, and if we intend to try change up the stats every round its not relevant.

What was the basics 30-40-50-60 rounds ago, or whenever PA crew/people adviced people to chose ter is long changed.
The only chance new players got is to be usefull to their gals/alliance, else they will be exiled around/offered to gal mates to roid dry untill they quit the game.

In the end most players in PA arnt given a choice on what ships to build, they follow some sort of blueprint from their alliance, or gal.
Most players dont even look at the stats closely.

Race Characteristics Ter:

Max Stealth: 80
Stealth Growth/Tick: 6
Base Construction Units: 125
Base Research Points: 105
Production bonus: 10%


Race average:

Max Stealth: 82,5
Stealth Growth/Tick: 6,4
Base Construction Units: 108
Base Research Points: 106
Production bonus: 8%

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Re: R66 Stat opinions

Talking about stats again, the race distribution this round is the consequence of today's approach. Only a few handful people are considered to be capable making stats, they seem to only talk among themselves. The results is this:
Either xan is unbalanced and is the best race by far or people can't read the stats well and are doomed to create an unbalanced round.
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Talking about stats again, the race distribution this round is the consequence of today's approach. Only a few handful people are considered to be capable making stats, they seem to only talk among themselves. The results is this:
Either xan is unbalanced and is the best race by far or people can't read the stats well and are doomed to create an unbalanced round.
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=201140

I did post this thread to see what people actualy considered "good" stats, but so far no response.

After Jintao was made head of stats, its gone from bad to worse when it comes to the process of choosing "the best set".

A big part of the community has been insisting on "offensive stats", and im sure this is mainly the reason why we ended up with a ST set once again, even after R59 wich i thought would be the end of the "ST stats discussion".

Id go back to the "5 ETD races discussion", as i think that is one way to go at stats for the future.
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46% xan. This is gonna be an awesome round.
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http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=201140

I did post this thread to see what people actualy considered "good" stats, but so far no response.

After Jintao was made head of stats, its gone from bad to worse when it comes to the process of choosing "the best set".

A big part of the community has been insisting on "offensive stats", and im sure this is mainly the reason why we ended up with a ST set once again, even after R59 wich i thought would be the end of the "ST stats discussion".

Id go back to the "5 ETD races discussion", as i think that is one way to go at stats for the future.
Why do you waste the time whining here when you don't even play anymore?
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Why do you waste the time whining here when you don't even play anymore?
Because i dont want to play, but want to troll.
Maybe i would fine some other forums where i could claim to be expert and keep on trolling there, but thats pretty hard.
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Because i dont want to play, but want to troll.
Maybe i would fine some other forums where i could claim to be expert and keep on trolling there, but thats pretty hard.
Not being the expert hasn't stopped you here.
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Before we all jump on Jintao, let's not forget that this is what the loudmouth fools on here asked for. They bemoaned Pats set and demanded another. Jintao merely provided a short notice set to appease them. He even set up a poll where you could choose and you all voted it as the chosen one (by voting for or not voting agsinst).

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Much better stats. A lot happier than pat set.
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Agreed. Though I liked PapaDocs set the best
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I am massively in favour of the majority of stats discussion taking place on SD, in plain view.

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He even set up a poll where you could choose and you all voted it as the chosen one (by voting for or not voting agsinst).
This is exactly what you, I and others warned about, even before it was put up. I am sad to see we were proven right.
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I am massively in favour of the majority of stats discussion taking place on SD, in plain view.


This is exactly what I warned about, even before it was put up:
Well democrazy is a good thing, and if this is the set the players wanted, then by all means, it should be runned. Maybe people will be wiser next round and not go for a ST set.
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You (BB and Kaiba) talk like if all possible STs stats will result in something like what is happening atm.
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You (BB and Kaiba) talk like if all possible STs stats will result in something like what is happening atm.
The playerbase is smaller, and more active than before.
You were around back in the old days when the univers was bigger, and less active, and you should know you cant compare that with todays PA.

http://beta.planetarion.com/history/...?id=6&round=59

On average the player in a top10 alliance sent out 52 fleets
The next round 41 fleets average, and the round before approx the same.

If we want a "roidswapping war" PA, then its fine with ST stats, anything else? most likely not
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Terran 46 (8.0%)
Cathaar 136 (23.7%)
Xandathrii 269 (46.8%)
Zikonian 90 (15.7%)
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This race assignment doesn't speak for the balance of the stats...
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Well democrazy is a good thing, and if this is the set the players wanted, then by all means, it should be runned. Maybe people will be wiser next round and not go for a ST set.
This is what you're saying: "The process that chooses bad sets is good."
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Terran 46 (8.0%)
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Xandathrii 269 (46.8%)
Zikonian 90 (15.7%)
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This race assignment doesn't speak for the balance of the stats...
It really doesn't, but it speaks for the difference in what community considers 'balanced' and what stat maker considered 'balanced'.
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This is what you're saying: "The process that chooses bad sets is good."
No, im critizing the way its been developed.
No public development thread, only the mafia is contributing, and the set is released the last day.

If people are to choose from two bad sets, they are gonna chose a bad set.
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It really doesn't, but it speaks for the difference in what community considers 'balanced' and what stat maker considered 'balanced'.
If a set is balanced or if a set plays out good is two COMPLETELY diffrent things. People ignore this, and often the stat maker will say that IF more people had chosed strat option A, strat Option B would been crap
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If people are to choose from two bad sets, they are gonna chose a bad set.
Ah, I see. That's fair enough.
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Agreed. Though I liked PapaDocs set the best
Which basically a dragged out version of this one , Xan fi is by far the strongest choice there.
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Half the playerbase as xan, well done to whoever made this set. Truly a spectacular accomplishment of stupidity.
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No, im critizing the way its been developed.
No public development thread, only the mafia is contributing, and the set is released the last day.

If people are to choose from two bad sets, they are gonna chose a bad set.
Translation: "If people are not going to choose i set i make, they are going to choose a bad set"

The general publics view:

BB, you and tia have literally put forward the worst stat sets we have ever seen.
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Which basically a dragged out version of this one , Xan fi is by far the strongest choice there.
It was but I think the races would be more balanced.
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Translation: "If people are not going to choose i set i make, they are going to choose a bad set"

The general publics view:

BB, you and tia have literally put forward the worst stat sets we have ever seen.
Yet they were never runned, and for everyone elses information, none of my sets ever been runned the last 10-15 rounds.

Im sure i went over this in a diffrent thread, the worst sets in terms of "race splits/strat splits" was iirc:

R60(also infamously known as the worst stat set ever), Isildurx
R57, Papadoc?
Rxx(forgot), SantaCruz


But then again, p3nguins now got the majority of the votes, no wonder you are defending the right for p3nguins to control the stats mafia
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Never been run*

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But then again, p3nguins now got the majority of the votes, no wonder you are defending the right for p3nguins to control the stats mafia
Please elaborate. This is the first I knew that we controlled the Mafia. Who are these votes you speak of? Who is part of this mafia?

Additionally. Can they off people?
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Never been run*

Hard to take a man seriously that can't speak properly.
If the man's English is your very best argument against him, then I worry for your position.
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If the man's English is your very best argument against him, then I worry for your position.
What's the point if he said 4 posts back he's just looking to troll.
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What's the point if he said 4 posts back he's just looking to troll.
And yet you keep feeding him.

How about you all reply to him in his native language of Norwegian and then see who is making more spelling/grammar/tense mistakes.
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And yet you keep feeding him.

How about you all reply to him in his native language of Norwegian and then see who is making more spelling/grammar/tense mistakes.
I asked him a question would really like to know who our voters are so I know who to lobby.


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Half the playerbase as xan, well done to whoever made this set. Truly a spectacular accomplishment of stupidity.
I think this could be a bit more important than the BB- p3nguins posts.
Since the whole statmaking/picking process has been changed now from community feedback and adjusting to simply showing a final set right away.
If its done this way, a lot relies on the guy making and picking his own set.

Was it intended by the statsmaker to have a xan heavy round? Or does his opinion or judgement of the stat set differ a lot from the players in alliances deciding race strategy?
Or was it simply a kind of bandwagon effect? People see a lot of xans, more people pick xans etc.
Could the uni have looked very different race wise with this set or was this the only logical outcome?
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I asked him a question would really like to know who our voters are so I know who to lobby.


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The language of the game does not mean every player of it should have perfect grasp of it. In fact only a minority of the players have English as a first language and some of those write with less proficiency than Butcher, which is a sad state of affairs.

If you need to make a start on voters look no further than Krypton the coolest guy in PA and his dancing Munkee, then go from there
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I think this could be a bit more important than the BB- p3nguins posts.
Since the whole statmaking/picking process has been changed now from community feedback and adjusting to simply showing a final set right away.
If its done this way, a lot relies on the guy making and picking his own set.

Was it intended by the statsmaker to have a xan heavy round? Or does his opinion or judgement of the stat set differ a lot from the players in alliances deciding race strategy?
Or was it simply a kind of bandwagon effect? People see a lot of xans, more people pick xans etc.
Could the uni have looked very different race wise with this set or was this the only logical outcome?
I think the set was rushed and that people so vocal against Pats set that the fact the other option was ST made them vote for it without looking into the calcs enough.

Imo the problem with ST stats is that unless you nerf Xan to an as most unplayable level then cloak becomes extremely OP when you can only target a certain amount of classes without diluting your fleet to the point where it's open to almost everything else.

It takes a lot of time to make a ST set truly good, which is why this set isn't.
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My ears were burning...what have i done now?
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If the man's English is your very best argument against him, then I worry for your position.
Really? You think if i was to make BB look like an idiot I would use his language. Its not even an argument. I wasn't trolling and i don't know where he's from. I was just correcting him to help him improve his English. Nothing more.

Honestly, you are better than that
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Was it intended by the statsmaker to have a xan heavy round? Or does his opinion or judgement of the stat set differ a lot from the players in alliances deciding race strategy?
Or was it simply a kind of bandwagon effect? People see a lot of xans, more people pick xans etc.
Could the uni have looked very different race wise with this set or was this the only logical outcome?
I doubt it was intended. It does highlight that one if the main reasons for a discussion in stats on the forums is often to weaken xan - when bb first mentioned a stats Mafia I wondered if this was what he was referring to, seems not. Even if they look pretty even on paper (not saying they are, I think on paper they look quite strong) then they are probably a bit too strong. Once this is the case then a combination of a large number of people who like xan already along with their perceived possible laziness allowing for easy 3 fleet attack creates a snowball effect of people choosing the race.
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Really? You think if i was to make BB look like an idiot I would use his language.
Yes, I do.

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Its not even an argument.
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I wasn't trolling
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I was just correcting him to help him improve his English.
No, you really, really weren't.
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Re: R66 Stat opinions

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Since the whole statmaking/picking process has been changed now from community feedback and adjusting to simply showing a final set right away.
That might have happened this round, but I don't think Jintao is planning on doing this every round.

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Was it intended by the statsmaker to have a xan heavy round? Or does his opinion or judgement of the stat set differ a lot from the players in alliances deciding race strategy?
Or was it simply a kind of bandwagon effect? People see a lot of xans, more people pick xans etc.
Could the uni have looked very different race wise with this set or was this the only logical outcome?
As far as I know, Jintao simply did not have a lot of time to work on his stats. And from that, in my opinion, all problems with them stem.

The thing I found strangest about this whole stats thing is that Patrikc and him worked on Pat's set for a significant amount of time without managing to convince Jintao they were useable, while Jintao's own rush job was ready for prime time almost immediately. I suspect there's some kind of (unintentional!) bias in play, whereby the stats maker has a harder time finding flaws with their own stats than with others'.

A lesson for next time!
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Re: R66 Stat opinions

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Yes, I do.


No, it's not.


That almost makes it worse.


No, you really, really weren't.
Yes i was, but it's okay. Common trait amongst forum posters to be a fool.
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