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Unread 22 Nov 2005, 13:43   #1
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Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

I Signed up a free account yesterday ( I know I know cant keep away ) just to keep an eye on politics and well just have a pop at someone every day or 2 to see how being a free account is nowadays see how attractive it was.

But as said in the title call me an old man and maybe even tell me to shut up but I logged into my free PA account today for the 2nd time and what really pissed me off (wishmaster still in my brain when looking at gal pics) ....

I noticed the good old advertising that us free accounts get and i am extremly pissed off by the fact i have a rolling advert that shows 3 womens butt's (I am thinking along banned gal pics here only, yeah fine we aint allowed suggestive items in gal pictures but where allowed to advertise them) and the following words pop up one by one ( remember this is a game from ages 10+ and played in schools etc... and Jolt dont like to break rules in gal pics, gal names and fleet names with reference to swear words as well as butts)

"Do you find quieing for patches a pain in the ass"

"There is another way.........."

"Advertisements name(removed for advertising reasons)"
"No Ques No hassle No bullshit"

Now call me daft, stupid picky but as far as I am aware most young ppl cant get a paid account due to no visa etc... so young ppl are more likely to have 3 butts sticking out at them with thongs up there ass with bullshit written rolling along there screen every 3 seconds.

Sorry for the content ( swearwords) but if Jolt think its fine to do it in the main game that kids play I am sure they wont find a problem here.
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Unread 22 Nov 2005, 13:55   #2
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

18.5. Offensive galaxy pictures and/or galaxy/planet/ruler names
Planetarion is a game for players of all ages. Consideration should be given
to our younger players when registering galaxy/planet/ruler names and
posting galaxy pictures.
(a) Naked/semi-naked galaxy pictures are not allowed and will be removed at
an Admin's discretion.
(b) Racism and use of words and/or pictures likely to cause offence to
anybody in galaxy pictures and/or a galaxy/planet/ruler name is not allowed.
(c) You are also not allowed to have scripts in in-game system which will
gain you an advantage in the game, or disrupt any computer systems other
than your own.


If only we knew we could avertise it.
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Unread 22 Nov 2005, 16:41   #3
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

You have a good point. Can anything be done about it, PAteam? Or is it out of your hands?
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

cant say i ever disliked seeing them butts, but I do think you have a valid point o_O
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Unread 22 Nov 2005, 17:26   #5
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

Now its been mentioned, Im not sure advertising butts is appropriate... I mean it could be child porn!
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

One group of people who pay are allowed to post such things, whereas another who pay as well (the players) it is totally forbidden.

Sounds like Biffy came up with this idea tbh
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(a) Naked/semi-naked galaxy pictures are not allowed and will be removed at
an Admin's discretion.
Because it's semi-naked it means it's only semi-banned.

In all fairness I think we can all see the difference in scale here (wishy's porn was tiny and this is ****ing huge lol!)

I need help


Seriously though it's rather blatantly different. That said I'm not entirely sure what the phrase semi-naked means. Perhaps scantily clothed would be better. That said a couple of hundred years ago a woman was considered scantily clothed if she exposed her ankles. Turns out languages evolve over time! However as we should all be well aware he who sets the rules, breaks the rules. The rules were set in place for your (general you) protection so it's well within the realm of sensible actions to override specific, minor rules in order to allow the continuance of the game itself (because without the money from advertising there'd be no free accounts and far far fewer new people entering the game).
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Unread 22 Nov 2005, 19:26   #8
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

Unfortunately the advertising rotation is out of our control.

We could ban Jolt but then there would be no backing for the game.

I'm waiting for someone to put the picture of the three bums with the word "bullshit" plastered across it as their gal banner. What a fun bandwagon that would be.

But seriously, you've got a good point. I'll take it up with Biffy when I next see him in the PATeam IRC channel.
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

i heard that channel was gna be purged due to inactivity :P
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i heard that channel was gna be purged due to inactivity :P
That would be funny. Not surprising, but funny.
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

I got nothing against womens butt, but he surely made a good point there
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

Its worth considering why we think Wishmasters's galaxy pic was innappropriate, and whether we think using hot girls asses is appropriate either or not for the same reason.

Sex is natural so whats wrong with porn is one argument.

Degradation goes against.
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

Logged into my free account again today and noticed that the old advert with the butts is still there which is fine coz biffy hasnt been told yet about this thread so we wont know what happens but the same company also have another advert rolling looked fine till i saw more BULLSHIT rolling across the screen seems its the companys little moto

"No Qeues No hassle No bullshit"

Just seems wrong to me.
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I resigned up this round and noticed that advert again - even mentioned it on irc. We already had a discussion about that banner in rd 9 or 10 but where told that the banners used for advertisement are out of control of pateam/pa. Interesting (or worrying?) that its still (i doubt it is 'again') the old banners in rotation.

Its a valid point to question the banner but here in germany if you go past a shop selling magazines or past advertisements, you will see the same kind of ad regularly in the public. You wont however see something like wishmasters galbanner because that was porn and that has severe punishment for public distribution on it.
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So you have a lot of posters saying Bullshit in Germany in windows etc..?
Damn ur country rocks.
But I wouldn't like my kids there.
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So you have a lot of posters saying Bullshit in Germany in windows etc..?
Damn ur country rocks.
But I wouldn't like my kids there.
If your point is mainly about the word "bullshit" - then reading this thread makes it obvious that you talk about something different then most other posters in this thread *rolleyes*

I dont know exactly which german word would be a appropriate translation for "bullshit" but for the one i assume would be a equal curseword in german, you are right - its not "usually" on public display. Certainly not much on public advertisements and only sparely used in magazines. But actually i dont know if we have something in germany like the list of forbidden/restricted words for public broadcast the US has.

You could certainly argue that "sex sells" has gone too far in germany and i would agree together with quite a few people even though i am far from beeing a conservative or religious person :O
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If your point is mainly about the word "bullshit" - then reading this thread makes it obvious that you talk about something different then most other posters in this thread *rolleyes*
Read the thread.

One bad thing is bad enough 2 is worse read the thread twice you will see i mention both.
Swearing is as bad as semi nude especially in schools.
Least in school they teach sex education (with permission ofc) but they dont teach you to swear anywhere that I know off ( bet there is a degree somewere in some university though) well not in my school anyway.

So read threads before posting just because most ppl agree on the nudity part.
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Read the thread.

So read threads before posting just because most ppl agree on the nudity part.
I did read the thread and i did re-read it because your reply to me puzzled me and see - everybody else in this thread goes on about the butts - just 2 other people even mention the curseword _among_ the butts.

So i guess my initial reply stands:

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If your point is mainly about the word "bullshit" - then reading this thread makes it obvious that you talk about something different then most other posters in this thread *rolleyes*
Read the thread - i said _MOST_ others
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Its a valid point to question the banner but here in germany if you go past a shop selling magazines or past advertisements, you will see the same kind of ad regularly in the public.
I understand Germany is a very nude freindly country hence my reply about the word bullshit as you said that kinda add which has both

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Now call me daft, stupid picky but as far as I am aware most young ppl cant get a paid account due to no visa etc... so young ppl are more likely to have 3 butts sticking out at them with thongs up there ass with bullshit written rolling along there screen every 3 seconds.
Sorry if I wasn't clear in my first reply to that post just rushed in there in work trying not to get caught
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People seem to be struggling with the definitions of nakedness here.

Semi-naked does not mean "scantily clad" - it means wearing some items of clothing but still revealing the "interesting" parts. You can't turn on the television these days (especially the music channels) without seeing scantily clad females in "provocative" poses.

Pornography, of course, is a completely different animal. Nudity does NOT equal porn.
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

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Now its been mentioned, Im not sure advertising butts is appropriate... I mean it could be child porn!
ROFL

Yeah if you squint really hard you can see three kids cheering.

OMG...ban Jolt!!!
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Re: Call me an old man but....(over 16's only)

PA team before this thread completly dies, I would like to see a reply from jolt so going to bump it a lil because I think Jolt really need to stop posting when they doing something to us and hiding when there is a post about them.
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If I was a representative of Jolt I'd just ignore your latest post as well.
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Still waiting Jolt......
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you do realise pa dont have any control over the jolt banner? they just get told " put this sourcecode on all pages ", and they do it
the banner rotation itself is the same one used on all jolt sites, and not all of those sites are for all ages.
imo the best solution would be for pa to host its own banner rotation, possibly allow alliances to advertise in it as well, like they did on the portal.
that way they can filter out inappropriate ads and yet still keep the banner rotation that jolt requires.
it could also help make ads more specific to the needs of pa gamers
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you do realise pa dont have any control over the jolt banner? they just get told " put this sourcecode on all pages ", and they do it
the banner rotation itself is the same one used on all jolt sites, and not all of those sites are for all ages.
imo the best solution would be for pa to host its own banner rotation, possibly allow alliances to advertise in it as well, like they did on the portal.
that way they can filter out inappropriate ads and yet still keep the banner rotation that jolt requires.
it could also help make ads more specific to the needs of pa gamers

isnt that biffy's job to keep track of those stuff?
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I've mailed the people who control the rotation to get their views on what can be done.
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You better remove that banner asap you flithly pedophiles (you're making children watch sexual material thereby creating multiple child porn scenes across the globe) or i'll report you to the proper authorites. You should be ashamed of allowing this foul corruption of our children to exist.
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No, I was just following biffy's example of how to react to such matters.
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It's pleasing to see that I have an influence on the youth of today.
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OMG! I saw this pic earlier ingame that showed a whole 3 INCHES square of human flesh.

Why wasn't the person banned/locked in jail/hung from the server room ceiling?

There are PG rated programs based around beaches and such like that air regularly that show women/girls wearing thongs (baywatch a good example, though i've seen other newer ones), im sure that most ppl have seen a person's backside before, unless your worried about ppl who never watch tv, never goto the seaside, and never used the internet before.

Also, you can walk in shops or town/city areas and see adverts showing women wearing nothing but their underwear, and those are for all to see. And as an addition, there are music videos which air without problems involving similar or worse than you have described here.

I've not yet seen a page, or TV program suited for young children that shows, however small, anything that promotes pornography, which was the issue described elsewhere which several of you are trying to bring back up as a topic of discussion.

As a sidenote, I have yet to meet a child (above the age of about 9, and most under too anyway) that doesn't know the word "bullshit" or a hell of a lot worse.
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Well I for one was being sarcastic. Anyone who actually finds pornography and swear words offensive but is a-ok with simulated death and violence is a twat.

edit- This thread is more about jolt advertising material that in unallowed in the EULA and that players can get closed for. Not that it's offending people. At least I hope that's what Noah was going for.

Oh wait you're a trolling gimmick account.

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edit- This thread is more about jolt advertising material that in unallowed in the EULA and that players can get closed for.
Are you intentionally stupid or does it come naturally?

An ad with scantily clothed women is not the same as porn, so stop trolling.
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I love swearing I love womens butts but I know ( me actually having a child unlike some of you) If I saw a site with things like bullshit and stuff written across it I know I wouldnt like my kids playing it.
All you ppl going on about nudity and trolling etc... I am not trolling I just dont see why ppl can be closed for having a planet name like "Jolt of Bullshit" or have there name changed coz its offensive and then Jolt be fine to put it in there ads instead.

Biffy has shrugged his shoulders and passed it on to someone else because he aint really bothered and everyone else is just comparing butts to kiddy porn and Brimstone says all 9 years olds know the word bullshit so obviously it doesnt matter if we swear anymore ( hey why dont they make most 18 games PG now coz swearing is allowed? )
So lets close this thread that I only tried to put a point across on and get a decent reply from a jolt represnetive but obviosuly its all ok. Lets give it a week or 2 and we might be able to get away with just showing a nipple or 2 coz anyone can read that newspaper with the word Sun in it.
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p.s I dont swear in front of my child btw.
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Are you intentionally stupid or does it come naturally?

An ad with scantily clothed women is not the same as porn, so stop trolling.
My comment stands, it doesn't seem like you understand it -- I never called the ad porn (except sarcastically a few posts above to make fun of biffy's retarded views of child porn), I said it broke the EULA.

Just read the relevant section of the EULA you blind ****.

I have bolded the parts that the jolt advertisment has broken to help you on your mission. Players can be punished for posting the same ingame by the administration.

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Planetarion is a game for players of all ages. Consideration should be given
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(a) Naked/semi-naked galaxy pictures are not allowed and will be removed at
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I'm pretty sure they're not actually semi-naked as that must include some revealing of "private parts". The bit you've bolded in c) is just insane so christ knows what that means.
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TBFH Duncan you are a mouthy ****.

It says

(a) - Naked/semi-naked galaxy pictures are not allowed

(b) - Racism and use of words and/or pictures likely to cause offence to
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advertising is neither a galaxy picture or a planet/ruler name.

And Jolt didnt agree to the EULA.
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TBFH Duncan you are a mouthy ****.

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advertising is neither a galaxy picture or a planet/ruler name.
It's a banner plastered on the top of every page for free accounts to see. I imagine it gets more exposure then galaxy pictures and planet names.
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And Jolt didnt agree to the EULA.
Your nitpicking is very helpful Shyne, thank you. Allow me to restate the main point more clearly: The material used in Jolt's advertisment breaks the EULA if players post it ingame. Such content is regularly taken down by the PA Team (of which Jolt is a part). And while they probably wouldn't close a player's account for posting that image, they reserve the right to. If Jolt forces people to show such a high level of consideration to the younger players of this war game, you'd think they would do the same. So far it seems as though they don't.

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Did I not point that it is not in fact a "semi-naked" picture? Did biffy not say that nevertheless he was going to look into what could be done? Does posting endless questions not annoy everyone else as much as it annoys me?
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does not a mod have the ability to smite such posts which ask endless questions?
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yeah, I saw that when I first signed up to play PA, was a bit shocked cause I knew those pics weren't allowed in galbanners :/

Edit: to make my post relevant to the thread: Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit (thats what the thread is about isn't it? )

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Oy I know your under 16 dont let me inform your parents kila.
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I'm over 16 mentally, I promise
btw, like my parents will believe you, I'll just tell em that you are a paedophile who wants to meet me for hot sex, they will hunt you down, shoot you and then ban me from playing on my comp ever again :'(
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You clearly missed my point Duncan et al.

The EULA is for END USERS. Jolt is not a USER.

The EULA says that: (ill repeat it, perhaps it'll stick)

(a) - Naked/semi-naked galaxy pictures are not allowed

(b) - Racism and use of words and/or pictures likely to cause offence to
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advertising is neither a galaxy picture or a planet/ruler name.

What do you not understand?
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Kindly read my last paragraph again dumbass. Thanks in advance.
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Just be happy that Jolt still have the right to post the porn pics, or the game really would be boring.
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