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vampire_lestat · 12 Mar 2005, 17:44

so i was looking on the internet and clicked on a link somewhere (I can't remember where), and this site popped up. It seems like an inticing offer, but what I want to know is this:
is it legal in the uk?
the site is http://www.americamp3network.com/ by the way.

flapjack · 12 Mar 2005, 17:47

As long as they pay for it and nobody complains. I'd assume that they have some sort of agreements with the publishers of the songs they publish

vampire_lestat · 12 Mar 2005, 17:52

Ok, so another question, anybody had any experience with this type of site or do you all just use torrent for your every need?

pablissimo · 12 Mar 2005, 17:59

It's almost a scam*, like that TV one (internettvstation.com):

From the FAQ:
What is inside the member's area?
You will find all of the latest tools for accessing the largest peer-to-peer networks on the planet. You will also find online tutorials making it easy for you install and learn the tools provided, a collection of tools that include video players (allow you to play the latest video files) access to an award winning support team, CD burning application and much, much more…

I thought the software was free. Why am I being asked to pay?
The software is free. You are paying for the online help and support and the online tutorials for the lifetime of the membership.

They just give you DL links to LimeWire and Soulseek and other bollocks, I bet.

* In that if you read the FAQ you find out you get nothing you can't get free.

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Mar 2005, 18:08

http://www.americamp3network.com/confused.htm

But look at those statistics! All those numbers!

vampire_lestat · 12 Mar 2005, 18:32

Its hard to get your head around it really isn't it?
the moral of the story is, is there any way that is totally legal (and not a scam) to download music, be it for a fixed rate or for free?

pablissimo · 12 Mar 2005, 18:47

Napster, MSN Music, EasyMusic, various others. They're generally all DRM protected WMP files which will cease to function if you cancel your subscription, though I don't know if there have been changes there. You can normally download a stream for about a penny a song, the track itself for some fee and rights to burn the song to CD for a little more. Some places like Warp Records' 'Bleep' service supply mp3 files for a fee per track/album. No DRM, but they're limited to bands they've signed so you're talking Boards of Canada and Aphex Twin with specific regard to Bleep.

Edit:
Ohyeah iTunes good save /o\

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Mar 2005, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

Its hard to get your head around it really isn't it?

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

the moral of the story is, is there any way that is totally legal (and not a scam) to download music, be it for a fixed rate or for free?

iTunes is the most famous.

vampire_lestat · 12 Mar 2005, 19:30

I thought itunes charged per song, is there something similar with a flat charge and no limits (napster does the same thing doesn't it?)

hyfe · 12 Mar 2005, 19:34

http://www.allofmp3.com/

Russian, they have all the rights needed to sell that music in Russia (which afaik makes it legal to import it aswell).. works like a charm.

vampire_lestat · 12 Mar 2005, 19:37

Great. Is there something similar for films and/or games?

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Mar 2005, 19:40

Why don't you just go to all the standard torrent sites and get it from them, instead of all this pussy footing around supposed grey areas?

vampire_lestat · 12 Mar 2005, 19:41

Because if I can do it legally I want to know about it.

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Mar 2005, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

Because if I can do it legally I want to know about it.

Downloading from that Russian site and something like Suprnova are of equal legality, you know.

vampire_lestat · 12 Mar 2005, 20:51

I'm fairly sure the russion site as at least a tie to legality, rather than torrenting, which is blatently illegal.

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Mar 2005, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

I'm fairly sure the russion site as at least a tie to legality, rather than torrenting, which is blatently illegal.

No it isn't.

hyfe · 12 Mar 2005, 20:59

Even if you have some super-lawyer powers to manevour the niceties of import-laws effortlessy and does in fact know that's illegal while everybody else seems to be unconcluded; the fact remains that they are legal in Russia, and that you're very unlikely to get sued from downloading from them.

Much unlike torrents / etc these days...

MrL_JaKiri · 12 Mar 2005, 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyfe

Even if you have some super-lawyer powers to manevour the niceties of import-laws effortlessy and does in fact know that's illegal while everybody else seems to be unconcluded; the fact remains that they are legal in Russia, and that you're very unlikely to get sued from downloading from them.

I was talking about the illegality of the torrent sites you buffoon. If I was talking about the russian site I would have said "No it hasn't."

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyfe

Much unlike torrents / etc these days...

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge noone in Europe has been successfully sued. Not even the torrent site operators, even though it has been tried.

Now, scared as I am of the big giant corporation suing me for being a comparatively low level user (ie. I don't upload things to public torrent sites), I suspect that they're not only more likely to go after people who actually provide the things, but also going to run up against the brick wall of it not being illegal.

hyfe · 12 Mar 2005, 21:15

Atleast here in Norway torrenting is blatantly illegal, downloading is allowed (for a couple of months more anyways before we implement the new EØS directive) but uploading isn't... and torrenting without uploading is slooow... anyways, I just imagined it was the same elsewhere..

Either way individuals have already been sued for using other filesharing services, so there's nothing new in that.

Androme · 12 Mar 2005, 21:21

http://www.americamp3network.com/confused.htm

The spelling of which is ace.

olle · 13 Mar 2005, 02:17

torrents < free, no payment *thumbs up*

Dace · 13 Mar 2005, 02:34

in Soviet Russia anything is legal for a price

meglamaniac · 13 Mar 2005, 18:31

http://www.allofmp3.com ffs

A couple of notes about this site:

It's hosted in Russia. Russian copyright law only applies to physical media so it is breaking no law in Russia by distributing tunes over the internet. In fact, a case against it by the music industry in Russia has just been thrown out of court.
HOWEVER, there is a lot of pressure in Russia for the law to be changed, so it might not be around for much more than a year or so from now. Get it while it's good etc.

You pay for bandwidth allowance, not a track allowance, and most tracks can be downloaded in any format and bitrate you want and are encoded on the fly at the server from the full CDDA source. So you can have lots of lower quality tracks of a few high quality tracks.
The bandwidth is STUPIDLY cheap - $0.02/MB.

roadrunner_0 · 15 Mar 2005, 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

http://www.americamp3network.com/confused.htm

But look at those statistics! All those numbers!

christ almighty, they can't even spell

Nodrog · 15 Mar 2005, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyfe

http://www.allofmp3.com/

Russian, they have all the rights needed to sell that music in Russia (which afaik makes it legal to import it aswell).. works like a charm.

downloading isnt importing.