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Unread 21 Jul 2003, 12:10   #1
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The rise of the medium sized alliances

As several of the medium sized alliances (ND,VGN,ETY,ROCK) seem to have an extraordinary good round, I wonder why this happened? Are the bigger alliances falling apart or have the medium alliances all gained such an incredible amount of good players?
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Unread 21 Jul 2003, 12:19   #2
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They recruited which can give you a lot of new members when there's a free round after a long time of payed rounds.
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Probably both, not to mention random rounds in general are good for the medium sized alliances... unlike private rounds they aren't as disadvantaged at start due to planetplacement now...
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Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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Are the bigger alliances falling apart
No, but they are dwindling. Big alliances only take established players with vouches etc, there are less of these with every round so the bigger alliances slowly shrink. Every time an alliance dies it gives an injection to the remaining ones but that can't go on for ever.
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or have the medium alliances all gained such an incredible amount of good players?
This moves on from my first point, we haven't taken in a mass of really good players but we HAVE gained a lot of pretty good ones. As I said in my end of round post, we didn't have many high scores (only 1 in top 150) but we had an average over our active memberbase (not giving you numbers but we'd fit in the in game alliance system next round...just) that put our average member score in the top 25% of the universe.

Additionally there were no mass powerblocks this round. That meant the bigger alliances were hitting each other as much as the second tier. Last round was a feeding frenzy for NARWEET and everyone else got demolished, this round the playing field was much more even
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Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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No, but they are dwindling. Big alliances only take established players with vouches etc, there are less of these with every round so the bigger alliances slowly shrink. Every time an alliance dies it gives an injection to the remaining ones but that can't go on for ever.
No, they honestly are getting worse.
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Re: Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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No, they honestly are getting worse.

your 100% right, the question is if that is good or bad
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Re: Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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No, they honestly are getting worse.
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LDK, Dragons and Eclipse will probably be the best 3 alliances next round. LDK will still be known and feared (if they play), Dragons are still a somewhat unknown force for PA X and Eclipse are not as good as Fury. I think they are getting worse, but the real reason medium sized allies like ND did so well is that its a random round, so they didnt get cnutted due to stagnation.
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Question is what happens when dragons really are acting like an alliance.. Meaning that their members can't be multi allianced like they are now.

The alliances they are in now will lose a lot of good members. (and with that some medium sized alliances will be the victim)

You're ND yourself fish. Who are you loyal too ?
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Unread 21 Jul 2003, 18:02   #10
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hey Cali. I left Dragons yesterday, to show my loyalty to ND. Left on good terms though, I still have the utmost respect for the sexiest people I've ever played with (/me licks Bibi and liz) but I am loyal to ND, I enjoy myself there more, and I can make more of a difference there than in Dragons.
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If you did then I respect that..

However I do know that a lot will say that they "left" their battlegroup however in the end still will attack with them. So that nothing changes and they remain multi allianced
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Unread 21 Jul 2003, 18:33   #12
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I said from about a week into R9.5 that I would be leaving Dragons at the end of the round, I stuck to my word, no regrets. It will be harder to stay with BG's next round with the in built alliances.

I was one of 2 ND Dragons, I believe the other ND Dragon (berten) will leave ND before Round 10.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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your 100% right, the question is if that is good or bad
Bad if only LDK are maintaining the level. Plus, all alliances should seek to be competitive as possible. Anything below your best is just bad gameplaying.

There was no alliance outside LDK to 'fear' in r9.5 (though people were stupid and feared them too much) and that's not good enough to be honest.

Maybe it's good in the sense that people are taking the game are less seriously, although as you well know my galaxy was near under constant attack for weeks on end, so maybe I'm wrong.

Fact: there are many, many alliances from r6/r7 who would eat r9.5 for breakfast. The playing standard has decreased.
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oh I forgot to mention earlier, the other reason ND had a good round is because I joined
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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There was no alliance outside LDK to 'fear' in r9.5 (though people were stupid and feared them too much) and that's not good enough to be honest.


Well , if all the people who joined ldk be4 this round, and throughout this round still is ldk next round, im adraid ldk will be too big to handle next round too.
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Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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As several of the medium sized alliances (ND,VGN,ETY,ROCK) seem to have an extraordinary good round, I wonder why this happened? Are the bigger alliances falling apart or have the medium alliances all gained such an incredible amount of good players?
No blocking at the start and very little later on + random round, simple really.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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Well , if all the people who joined ldk be4 this round, and throughout this round still is ldk next round, im adraid ldk will be too big to handle next round too.

Next round alliances are limited to 150 members though, and looking at various defences from LDK this round, I think its safe to say they have/had well over 500.














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Bad if only LDK are maintaining the level. Plus, all alliances should seek to be competitive as possible. Anything below your best is just bad gameplaying.

There was no alliance outside LDK to 'fear' in r9.5 (though people were stupid and feared them too much) and that's not good enough to be honest.

Maybe it's good in the sense that people are taking the game are less seriously, although as you well know my galaxy was near under constant attack for weeks on end, so maybe I'm wrong.

Fact: there are many, many alliances from r6/r7 who would eat r9.5 for breakfast. The playing standard has decreased.
yea, indeed thats not good that there was noone next to ldk.

but also was it good to have fury and legion ? i mean good for the game ? they teamed up and twatted the rest.

besides those two there were never a real opposition. ok xanadu but those alone couldnt to much.

maybe its just all the same only that the names changed ?

after all, all is shrinking thats the main prob and root of all bad things.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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Bad if only LDK are maintaining the level. Plus, all alliances should seek to be competitive as possible. Anything below your best is just bad gameplaying.

There was no alliance outside LDK to 'fear' in r9.5 (though people were stupid and feared them too much) and that's not good enough to be honest.
If you look at the list of people who went to play for LDK last round ( the non lithauanians) it was clear they were all extremely experienced and mostly fairly good or excellent players from a whole bunch of alliances. Especially from r9 losers block vvomm. Many wanted some revenge on Eclipse and ToT and easily got that. If they all stay with LDK they will still be a force in PAX even though some will be leaving PA.

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the old BIG alliances are no longer BIG anymore because the community size has also decreased. and i tihnk its been seen that alliances with 250 members arent as efficient as they used to be.

so with the old big alliances cutting back memberbase for a tightknit "elite?" core, it leaves room for others to go elsewhere.

some also see it as fun to watch a growin alliance use its potential and eventual make its way to the top.
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Re: Re: Re: The rise of the medium sized alliances

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No, they honestly are getting worse.
More directly I'd say they are getting lazier. Less and less people are wanting to spend 3 months with something that might as well be a 2nd job (sans the pay) just to say 'look at my cool planet and alliance'.
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More directly I'd say they are getting lazier. Less and less people are wanting to spend 3 months with something that might as well be a 2nd job (sans the pay) just to say 'look at my cool planet and alliance'.
My thoughts exactly, the PA as a whole hasn't changed much and so once the bigger alliance's get to the stage they are now the HC/officers get lazier as well as the members, my guess is that in r10 we could possibly see them improving with new tactics/new features.
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LDK, Dragons and Eclipse will probably be the best 3 alliances next round.
There might be new alliances next round capable of competing with these 3, and competing won't be so one dimensional either.

But if nothing changed, you'd be right.

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The playing standard has decreased.
For this round it did as some people took it less seriously and some members took time off, or put in less effort. I don't agree that overall the playing standard has decreased.
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Playing standards have been falling at an alarming rate since Round 6. Other than LDK there are no elite alliances around anymore which are capable of running a well oraganised and sustained campaign. The main reason for the fall in big alliance standards is due to the fall in the number of good BCs, the lame attempts to take LDK down this round proved that.
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but also was it good to have fury and legion ? i mean good for the game ? they teamed up and twatted the rest.

besides those two there were never a real opposition. ok xanadu but those alone couldnt to much.

maybe its just all the same only that the names changed ?

after all, all is shrinking thats the main prob and root of all bad things.
It was good in the sense that they've set standards for alliances to live up to. Their teaming up set the balance in their favour, they've only failed to win one round together (r6) and that's because the universe was hell bent to attack them (insert random Deus attention whoring sentence here).

The main problem is exactly what you describe. This game doesn't need overhauls etc it needs publicity. It needs to be cheap, simple and attract new players. Even maybe as simple as r3/4. In a 50k + universe the game would be far more open, I certainly wouldn't have had people attempting to bash me day in day out.

As for Scouse's point, just read Hicks post. I mean try to take out a bigger enemy by attacking one planet (especially when its LDK). wtf?
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It was good in the sense that they've set standards for alliances to live up to. Their teaming up set the balance in their favour, they've only failed to win one round together (r6) and that's because the universe was hell bent to attack them (insert random Deus attention whoring sentence here).

The main problem is exactly what you describe. This game doesn't need overhauls etc it needs publicity. It needs to be cheap, simple and attract new players. Even maybe as simple as r3/4. In a 50k + universe the game would be far more open, I certainly wouldn't have had people attempting to bash me day in day out.

indeed, maybe even 50 k arent needed.

remember a paid round with 15 k planets, i mean real planets not like r9,5.

with the old system of the 4 races. (well wont blame the new pa before ive seen it).

simple etc and maybe if u have good multihunters (which work all round) you can win a few planets each rounds.

new alliances would arise etc. but an universe with 3 k planets isnt fun. people get quickly roided, lose motivation. quit
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i think alot of oldtimers might think that rd 3. 4 and 2 were the funnest rounds of PA as well. The mechanics haven't changed much just the ppl playing imo
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The "rise" (show me they guys in top100 from those allies ;p) of the smaller alliances can be explained by the small interests of R9-dominating alliances and their small aim just to have fun lead to only half of their members really playing. In addition ofc, the member theirself wanted some recreation and didnt take it any serious...
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The playing standard has increased. It's the the standard of the actual players that has decreased.
I don't think that, either. The playing standard has increased (this bit I agree on), as in, more people (% wise) are playing 'professionally' than ever and so competition is harder.

lokken and Hicks are right in the sense that perhaps the command members aren't as good anymore, but like I said this round is different, lots of people taking breaks and alliances not putting in as much effort. But some of the decisions from supposed 'elite alliance' command members from this round have been nothing short of laughable.


It is the command that runs alliances (obviously), if they are crap the members can't do anything to change that without leaving.

There is probably less 'exceptional' players, but that's bound to happen when there is less people about, but the basic member standard has been the same from round 6 ish, for the entire game.
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There might be new alliances next round capable of competing with these 3, and competing won't be so one dimensional either.
I'm sure there will be other alliances around that can compete with the 3 above mentionned alliances.

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Fact: there are many, many alliances from r6/r7 who would eat r9.5 for breakfast. The playing standard has decreased.
I don't doubt that, but I think it can just as well be out of boredom, as lack of skill..

PA is after all not a increadibly complicated game, and I have serious doubts that the players have become so much worse in a couple of rounds..
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Playing standards have been falling at an alarming rate since Round 6. Other than LDK there are no elite alliances around anymore which are capable of running a well oraganised and sustained campaign. The main reason for the fall in big alliance standards is due to the fall in the number of good BCs, the lame attempts to take LDK down this round proved that.
I am not sure I agree. I agree with the fact that many good BC's have left the game, but I think LDK got an easy win in part because many "elite" players saw r9.5 as a break, more then a real round. I could be wrong of course.

I still think that PA can never be the same as it was. I think a lot changed when Fury/Legion dissapeared. Yes they where hated by many, but they also seemed to keep people on their toes in the constant battle to throw Furgeon from their thrown..
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lokken and Hicks are right in the sense that perhaps the command members aren't as good anymore, but like I said this round is different, lots of people taking breaks and alliances not putting in as much effort. But some of the decisions from supposed 'elite alliance' command members from this round have been nothing short of laughable.

It is the command that runs alliances (obviously), if they are crap the members can't do anything to change that without leaving.

There is probably less 'exceptional' players, but that's bound to happen when there is less people about, but the basic member standard has been the same from round 6 ish, for the entire game.
It's not just this past round.

There has been a constant decline in alliance dedication, on the average level, since the earliest rounds. Rather than grabbing zealous and dedicated players, most alliances are content to keep the ones they have, even when they stop playing at the level needed to keep an elite alliance at that level.

I only really started to notice it around round 8, though R7 should have been a tipoff. I know it's rather pointless to argue the point with you, Captain Titans, but I know that a truly dedicated Fury would have wiped the floor with you and LDK together. Another amusing corollary is that the rise of powerblocks coincided with the lessening of the dedication of alliance membership and leadership. Rather than work hard, get more allies. Then there's the battlegroup thing, which just further dilutes the alliance membership...

It's just a shame that this game requires your soul in order to keep your alliance at the top.
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It's just a shame that this game requires your soul in order to keep your alliance at the top.
it is indeed a shame that there is soo much required from a player these days. and I also agree that a dedicated Fury would probably wipe the floor with any alliance that has existed in these 9 rounds. But I wouldn't state that the alliance standards have dropped that much. Ofc it's undeniable that the overall standard has dropped a bit but there are very simple reasons for that.

The most obvious reason is the reducing number of players we see playing PA. Alot of the old guard left PA and there simply aren't enough new players to keep a steady playerbase.

Another reason, imo, is that there simply are like twice asmuch alliances then there were in the past. And with that I mean dedicated alliances. We also see BG's who lately seem more popular then alliances itselves.
Fact is, pple aren't that loyal anymore then in the early rounds. Pple now pledge loyalty to their alliance, to their P and C alliance, to their BG and stuff like that.

And a 3th reason is the powerblocking ofc. If an alliance wants to simply win a round on its own (and I don't mean LDK r9.5) then it has to make sure that it simply has the best players and most dedicated players in PA.
When you play in a block, then numbers and tactics are more important then purely good players.

nway, that's my opinion about all this.
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alliances aren't what they used to be....and in rnd10 the big ones will suffer a lot cuz of spinner`s idea of having 150members /alliance ... getting back to the point... if medium/small alliances merge ...the actual big alliances will...go down ?
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I know that a truly dedicated Fury would have wiped the floor with you and LDK together.
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Like I said, pointless to argue with you about it. Fury was a shadow of its former self after round 4, no matter what they all tell you. If Fury in any of the later rounds had the same motivation and competent leadership (in the form of an active and willing Sid) as we did in R2+3...well, draw your own conclusions.

Bleh, but leaving you to draw your own conclusions about this topic is like handing a blowtorch to a blind man and saying "be careful"...
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The "rise" (show me they guys in top100 from those allies ;p) of the smaller alliances can be explained by the small interests of R9-dominating alliances and their small aim just to have fun lead to only half of their members really playing. In addition ofc, the member theirself wanted some recreation and didnt take it any serious...
heh, *playing* for any other reason than fun sounds pretty unhealthy to me, to be honest. Doing well is nice, winning is even nicer, but there's a point where the price becomes too high, and it's up to every individual as well as his alliance to determine where that point is exactly.
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whereas previously the mid-sized alliances were swamped by the sheer numbers of the larger alliances , as each rd progressed they have learnt to adapt and even compete with the bigger alliances while the bigger alliances have grown lethargic and stale because they are win based and not community based as most of the mid-sized alliances are
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Like I said, pointless to argue with you about it. Fury was a shadow of its former self after round 4, no matter what they all tell you. If Fury in any of the later rounds had the same motivation and competent leadership (in the form of an active and willing Sid) as we did in R2+3...well, draw your own conclusions.

Bleh, but leaving you to draw your own conclusions about this topic is like handing a blowtorch to a blind man and saying "be careful"...
While I do agree with you for the most part, Later round Fury was a different beast, you cant really argue with the fact that they were still the dominant alliance in the game. And in rounds 5-7 there was no significant decrease in performance from rd 2+3 Fury, simply a shift in structure and makeup that we all could see was leading to what occured in round 8 and more so what would have occured had Fury not retired when they did. Then again I would imagine that if Fury would have stayed it would have had to change alot and I would trust that it probably would have done so and come out to be better than any alliance currently in the game.
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