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Unread 8 Jul 2004, 23:33   #1
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Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

During my absentia from these forums I got reading a lot of maddox, a fair whack of that conversational chaff thing from wiki and just realised everytime you get into a disagreement with someone on the internet perhaps it's better not to let them know you read the topic at all.

Is posting in a topic that's just going to cause a lot of he said/she said retorts really worth it?

Is the true power QDeathstar and other forum users have in making threads the fact that none of you can turn their back on their objectionable opinions?
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Unread 8 Jul 2004, 23:35   #2
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

I would have thought this would of been a reserved username
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

Me too.

Turns out they re-released it again...

At least it's not Pavil (again)
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

QDS doesn't have power. I pronounce this thread part of my new absurdist programme, "Maximise the Size"*.











*A sub-programme of "Increase the Peace".
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Unread 8 Jul 2004, 23:45   #5
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

If someone can say something an provoke a reaction then he has power surely?

(without getting you know like the shit beaten out of him or the internet equivalent the kickban)
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

Round and round the causality arrow goes, where it stops nobody knows!

It's ridiculous really. Everyone has the power to provoke a reaction of some kind. You can argue QDS was provoked to write that piece of claptrap (henceforth referred to as POC) by everyone else. The fact that the POC was posted and many people disagreed with it on various grounds doesn't necessarily give the poster any power. The POC existed anyways in the abstract Platonic world. All QDS did was actualise to it.
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

Yes but if people had ignored it would this cause him to keep 'actualising' things?

From what I read what you had done actually created more outspoken people for QDS rather than convince anyone otherwise that wasn't already convinced.

It's kinda like othello, trying to turn one chip at the expense of many when you already dominate the board and you could win by ignoring the one chip surely.
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Power only rests with the moderators and admins. There is no need for abstractions; we have access to the control panel.
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

That isn't power.

Admins and moderators can't make a forum live, forum users make a forum live.
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Yes but if people had ignored it would this cause him to keep 'actualising' things?
What do you mean by ignore it? Not read it? I'm sure if we all just didn't read anything QDS wrote that'd certainly be giving him power as his POC would never be refuted. (The plato bit was a joke btw).

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From what I read what you had done actually created more outspoken people for QDS rather than convince anyone otherwise that wasn't already convinced.
What? What I did? Created outspoken people for QDS? Is he some form of god or tyrant?

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Unread 9 Jul 2004, 00:01   #11
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

Surely your opposing view is only useful spoken if it's going to create more people like-minded?

I mean it's a bit like those gusy who walk around with the billboards saying 'the worlds gonna end' if you don't do it for that reason.
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Maybe he enjoys walking around with a board stating "the world's going to end". Personally I'd hate to have a world full of people who thought exactly like me. It'd be frightfully dull.

Having a certain view is only really good if you want to have that view. If you also want to convince someone of your views then that's fine as well but it's not necessarily connected to the whole "having a view" area.
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

Moderators and Admins can't be created without the power of the people.

You'd not have been a moderator if it wasn't for the fact that these forum posters had the power to demand one.
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Which came first the moderator or the poster?
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

the poster.

People would post their views somewhere, people would create a community, from that a moderator would be created.

I can write my views on a piece of paper, and sellotape it to a lamppost, I'm not a moderator, but eventually someone will start moderating the lamppost's views if enough people start posting views on them.
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Maybe he enjoys walking around with a board stating "the world's going to end". Personally I'd hate to have a world full of people who thought exactly like me. It'd be frightfully dull.

Having a certain view is only really good if you want to have that view. If you also want to convince someone of your views then that's fine as well but it's not necessarily connected to the whole "having a view" area.
Would you rather feel alone and paranoid?

Oh wait you're Irish.

p.s. You ever noticed how art from strongly catholic isloated communities tend to be all about sex, death, isolation and religion.
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the poster.

People would post their views somewhere, people would create a community, from that a moderator would be created.

I can write my views on a piece of paper, and sellotape it to a lamppost, I'm not a moderator, but eventually someone will start moderating the lamppost's views if enough people start posting views on them.
Wrong. Assuming you accept the premise that there was a first "individual" on the internet.
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Wrong. Assuming you accept the premise that there was a first "individual" on the internet.
There was many bubbles that ended up a messy froth.
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Would you rather feel alone and paranoid?

Oh wait you're Irish.
How about a point of view that you felt made you unique? Surely you'd rather be the only one to possess that view? Assuming you enjoyed being unique that is.

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Really? I never thought a strongly catholic isolated community would have anything to do with religion or isolation!
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There was many bubbles that ended up a messy froth.
It should be clear that the very first poster, being the only poster, was also the moderator of his own posts and as such was both a poster and a moderator.

As all moderators are posters the first person on the internet was belonging to the sub-set of moderators (to be specific).
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Usually art should be somewhat an escapism from reality though rite? At least in some cases.
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Usually art should be somewhat an escapism from reality though rite? At least in some cases.
I heard a great argument about ayn rand (the capitalist bitch) in college this year. I was explaining to someone in my politics course about her and she said "well she's from america, of course she'd adopt those views". When I replied that she was actually from the USSR she said "oh that explains it then, she's just over-reacting against communism".

I was amused to say the least.
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It should be clear that the very first poster, being the only poster, was also the moderator of his own posts and as such was both a poster and a moderator.

As all moderators are posters the first person on the internet was belonging to the sub-set of moderators (to be specific).
That's assuming the first poster did not hold utopian belief's and assumed that views would need to be moderated in an on-line enviroment.
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That's assuming the first poster did not hold utopian belief's and assumed that views would need to be moderated in an on-line enviroment.
You're a self-moderating entity sunday. Unless you're just randomly hitting the keyboard due to uncontrollable spasms in your body and by some sheer fluke you're the eighth millionth monkey who really is typing out the complete works of shakespeare.
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Where Sunday has picked up this Bolshevik interpretation of the historical process at work on the internet is anyone's guess, but it is intensely, and criminally wrong.
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You're a self-moderating entity sunday. Unless you're just randomly hitting the keyboard due to uncontrollable spasms in your body and by some sheer fluke you're the eighth millionth monkey who really is typing out the complete works of shakespeare.
What if the person had Tourette's, Multiple personality disorder, an epliptic who stole Steven Hawkings chair and sat in front of a strobe light while hooked up to a 14.4k modem?

When Drunk my body will carry on doing things while I might not be consciously aware, who's to say the first poster wasn't drunk?

I mean Black outs happen in memory.
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What if the person had Tourette's, Multiple personality disorder, an epliptic who stole Steven Hawkings chair and sat in front of a strobe light while hooked up to a 14.4k modem?

When Drunk my body will carry on doing things while I might not be consciously aware, who's to say the first poster wasn't drunk?

I mean Black outs happen in memory.
Your sub-conscious or various parts of your conscious mind still moderate it. Sunday you're arguing against your own existence as a thinking entity here.
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Who asserted that we are a thinking entity without being able to truly define and not assume the sub-conscious?
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Fine then.

Sunday, you can't think. At all.

Now that this argument has been settled in your favour I hope we can let sleeping dogs fall like a deck of dominoes.
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I'm perhaps suggesting duel exsistence.

Like the plausability lent to people who believe we have a soul.

Perhaps when the soul has expired(temporarily or permanently) that the human body can act and behave unmoderated.
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Fine. Dual existence then.

Neither of you can think.
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

Are you just being insulting (you are)

Or can we argue that perhaps people can honestly do things, formulate speech and talking patterns without thought at least with the parts of their mind which would understand moderation, like the parts afflicted when one is suffering a bout of tourrette's.
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Well first of all you'd have to show that there is no moderation as moderation would most likely be implicitly assumed.


Frankly this would be easier solved by ascertaining the physical state of the first person on the internet. Statistically he'd be unlikely to be drunk, sleep-walking or have (hand?) tourettes.
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I don't know, the demographic of people who have high iq's and inevitably be around at the creation of the internet have a statistically high demographic of being either alcoholic or having a mental problem that needs medication.
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Actually, you're wrong.
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Oh?

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It's the whole most people who worked in creating the internet were alcoholics with mental disorders bit. Without any attempt at proof. Given it's not a highly well-known fact (such as my "most people don't have tourettes or a drinking problem") you're usually expected to give some proof. This is how internet arguments usually go.
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It's good seeing Jonny argue with Sunday. I'm wondering which will resort to "lol, you're taking this argument seriously, you lose!" first.
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I'm being objectified by a girly.

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Through the power of the national revolution, the German people shall make it boil. If it refuses to boil, or if indeed the international kettle-conspiracy plunges Europe once more into another bloodbath, the consequences shall not be the elimination of the Aryan peoples, as the kettles assume, but it shall be the total destruction and elimination of all kitchen electrical appliances.
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I suggest Jonny and Sunday sit round a bon-fire, roast some chicken, pig and some marsh mellows before holding hands and dancing + singing around the fire like their best friends.

Who gets thrown into the fire after this is anyone's guess.
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I suggest Jonny and Sunday sit round a bon-fire, roast some chicken, pig and some marsh mellows before holding hands and dancing + singing around the fire like their best friends.

Who gets thrown into the fire after this is anyone's guess.
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Through the power of the national revolution, the German people shall make it boil. If it refuses to boil, or if indeed the international kettle-conspiracy plunges Europe once more into another bloodbath, the consequences shall not be the elimination of the Aryan peoples, as the kettles assume, but it shall be the total destruction and elimination of all kitchen electrical appliances.
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Through the power of the national revolution, the German people shall make it boil. If it refuses to boil, or if indeed the international kettle-conspiracy plunges Europe once more into another bloodbath, the consequences shall not be the elimination of the Aryan peoples, as the kettles assume, but it shall be the total destruction and elimination of all kitchen electrical appliances.
I'll take that as a no.
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Re: Can all arguments be defeated with Maddox and Wiki links?

I said hello to a girl when I was out today which forced her to say hello back, everyone marvel at the unquestionable power which I hold over the female sex!!!!
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