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Unread 8 Jun 2007, 15:07   #101
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

No, human interest stories are also about cute things happening to furry animals for some reason.
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

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The McCanns has just gone to Spain.
The McCanns has just gone to Amsterdam.
The McCanns has just gone to France.
The McCanns has just gone to Italy.
The McCanns has just gone to see the Pope.
The McCanns has just gone to see JK Rowling.
The McCanns has just gone to see the Queen.

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Unread 7 Sep 2007, 08:57   #103
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

So will the money still be used to hunt down the horrid paedos?


Still i genuinely wish them well.
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

I bet you genuinely wish well to all the starving, AIDS-ridden African little children because the McCanns have splashed twenty times what it takes to provide a small village with decent life for two decades.

Of course you don't, because they aren't rich, white, and don't have cute fluffy blue eyes.

Yeah, I genuinely wish them well too, despite them being greedy, egocentric bastards.
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I just can't win in this thread
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

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Yeah, I genuinely wish them well too, despite them being greedy, egocentric bastards.
I've read almost nothing about this story so have no idea how justified the above is, but I do sometimes wonder how horrific I (or most of the people I know) would appear if put under the media spot light for just a day. It wouldn't be pretty.

Anyway, Africa would probably be better off with less "help" from Europe in the long term.
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Anyway, Africa would probably be better off with less "help" from Europe in the long term.
If you define "help" as guns and large wads of dollars, then you're probably right.



P.S. As for the topic at hand, it seems Dutch media has also been (re)infected. Apparently the mother has been interrogated for eleven hours yesterday! The disgrace!
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Unread 7 Sep 2007, 12:12   #108
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

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Anyway, Africa would probably be better off with less "help" from Europe in the long term.
I guess they already beat me to it, but just to clarify. Africa has received very little help from Europe. Africa has received lots of "help" from Europe.

Let's begin. First, we "help" Africa because it's white man's burden to teach the pagans Jesus (which results in the logic that we need to enslave them because they're inferior). Then, we "help" Africa because we like their shiny rocks. Then, we "help" them a little more because we like their trees, they make good pencils. It's the sort of rich "helpful" people who run around the world trashing their money on flights that "help" Africa most. Hell, if someone has excess money, like, JK Shitling, who evidently promised quite a handsome amount of money for finding this little miss McCann, why not give them to a beneficial organization like the Red Cross mentioned? I'm sure they refugee camps in Africa could use a little cash.

Really. But I'm sure you realized that I was talking about HELP, while you were talking about something that's been used as a conscience word for stealing, abusing, and wrecking havoc. If someone has the will, it's very easy to actually help Africa. There's dozens of very real and helpful organizations out there, that just need liquidity. You can't "help" Africa by sending their governments money, because, just like in America, there's a big honcho with pulling strings that wants his bit.

Now, if the McCanns could please stop flying around like retards and infesting the planet. If the kid is found, alive, as we all hope will happen, I'm sure she'll be delivered to McCanns. And I doubt flying around chatting with the pope is going to make much of a difference.
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

Oh, **** that. I wasn't talking about help at all.

I was probably on about the regular rich greedy European/American really not giving a **** what happens beyond his own interests, as long as it results in more money for him.



ps. But it's dramatic how much interest it attracts when a white tourist gets nailed. It's a Finnish joke, so you probably won't get it, but let's try. How do you know there's a flood? Because you live in the third floor and the minister is knocking on your window on an attempt to get in. (If someone remembers how much drama the tsunami caused, oh mass destruction, oh white tourists in trouble, oh oh oh, McCann missing, oh oh. It'll be an interesting twist if they actually find either of the daddy-mommy-McCann quilty. It'll make a hugely intriguing situation for all those people who "supported" (ie. promised money etc) them in this search).
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(If someone remembers how much drama the tsunami caused, oh mass destruction, oh white tourists in trouble, oh oh oh, McCann missing, oh oh. It'll be an interesting twist if they actually find either of the daddy-mommy-McCann quilty. It'll make a hugely intriguing situation for all those people who "supported" (ie. promised money etc) them in this search).
It'll also make an interesting twist to their libel case
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Hey, you may get raped in prison for dropping the soap, but at least you're assured of 2.5 million pound sterling (plus interest, which might just amount to quite a bit, considering the timespan we're talking about) when you get out. The bright side of life!
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"Fail"?
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I don't think anyone here is a 'potential' paedophile. We passed the stage of mere 'potential' a long time ago.
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

I drove to Valencia (and then hopped across to Ibiza) in a car recently on a big sponsored rally. We named it Madeleine McCann. She fitted 4 men in her at a squeeze, and wasn't much of a guzzler. You could ride her for hours though.
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It really goes without saying that if poor Madeleine were not a pretty little white girl, the media wouldn't care, and neither would most of the country. The same went for Sarah Payne as opposed to Victoria Climbie.
I am not sure that the comparison between Madeleine/Sarah and Victoria is appropriate in this case.
Medeliene and Sarah are abduction cases, in which the media has been spurned on by the families drive.
Victoria on the other hand was systematic abuse over a peroid of time by the childs family. There was no-one to drive it on.

It is also prudent to note that not a lot has come about from Sarah and the same is likely for Madeleine. However, the childcare and social system has been completely redesigned in the face of the Clambie repoort.
If you have a strong stomach its worth a read if you wish to become more knowledgeable, but its not for the faint hearted and I strongly suggest you don't read it if shit like that plays on your mind, it is particulary nasty stuff.
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I don't even remember making that post - it was four months ago though, so that might explain it.....


You make accurate points regarding the damning outcome of the Climbie report on Social Services. However, that doesn't change the fact that comparatively little attention was drawn to her death itself. I agree that there were different circumstances, but her name can be substituted for a number of deaths that equally haven't been picked up upon by the mass media.
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Re: Madeleine MCcann

Thats a valid point.

However, there are thousands of kids going missing per year, some of them undoubtadly white middleclass etc.
It is, I guess, the same as there are thousands of Bnak robberies over the years but only a few get mas media coverage. The same with terrorism.

It all comes down to an agenda. Someone has to have an agenda and the will and ability to push this stuff in the media, and if they don't it invariably goes relatively unnoticed.
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even in terms of organisations like the red cross?
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The Red Cross isn't an organisanisation per se, since there's lots of national versions (especially if you include the Red Crescents or equivalents). As a movement, I don't think it can really be classified as European or Western in an overall sense.
i do wonder about you sometimes ...

the red cross is an organisation
the red crescent is an organisation

the fact that they share ideals and a similar brand does not detract from this.
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i do wonder about you sometimes ...

the red cross is an organisation
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the fact that they share ideals and a similar brand does not detract from this.
yes, but they're not "spread" to places. Most people involved with Red Cross/Crescent organisations are native to the country it operates in. it's not really comparable with Oxfam on such grounds and certainly not with development loans - it's an idea, and suggestions for its implementation, rather than any kind of contract (or material aid)
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yes, but they're not "spread" to places. Most people involved with Red Cross/Crescent organisations are native to the country it operates in. it's not really comparable with Oxfam on such grounds and certainly not with development loans - it's an idea, and suggestions for its implementation, rather than any kind of contract (or material aid)
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Though I think it's a bit strange you are seemingly unable to talk to multiple people in the same thread, I will respect your decision to not further reply to my posts.
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i'd ignore him mz he thinks he is special
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You're getting caught up in semantics. You're missing yahwe's point.

Horn asked Dante if developing countries would prosper in the long term WITHOUT organisations like the Red Cross (which obviously included all the Red Crescent areas etc etc etc).
Dante then ignored the question and told him that the Red Cross wasn't an organisation.
Yahwe said that that was irrelevant, and that the name of the organisation isn't important, rather what it stands for (and therefore; back to horn's question, which has been curiously brushed over...).
Phang jumped in being a fanboi.

Again, the topic has changed horn's question to Dante picking up on one tiny point of the question and ignoring the rest of it...
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You're getting caught up in semantics. You're missing yahwe's point.

Horn asked Dante if developing countries would prosper in the long term WITHOUT organisations like the Red Cross (which obviously included all the Red Crescent areas etc etc etc).
Dante then ignored the question and told him that the Red Cross wasn't an organisation.
Yahwe said that that was irrelevant, and that the name of the organisation isn't important, rather what it stands for (and therefore; back to horn's question, which has been curiously brushed over...).
Phang jumped in being a fanboi.

Again, the topic has changed horn's question to Dante picking up on one tiny point of the question and ignoring the rest of it...
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the problem is that the example horn gave doesnt lend itself to answering usefully. Dante will fairly obviously be opposed to structural development loans and so on because he isn't criminally insane, and I suspect this was more the point he was making. horn's reply, because it was based on a faulty premise, doesn't help much - asking about UN food aid or comic relief (lol) or something would be a better question than 'so you hate hospitals?' because there's a sensible way of answering.

Obviously though I'm saying this because I secretly want to fellate Dante rather than because I can read and interpret written English so nvm.
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asking about UN food aid or comic relief (lol) or something would be a better question than 'so you hate hospitals?' because there's a sensible way of answering.
that isn't what he asked...
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Obviously though I'm saying this because I secretly want to fellate Dante rather than because I can read and interpret written English so nvm.
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even in terms of organisations like the red cross?


Surely yes? (im ignoring the point the red cross isn't european). Ultimately africa has to start to solve its own problems and id argue things like the african union are a far better way forward.
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that isn't what he asked...
it's not what he meant. it's pretty much exactly what he asked though. good job on answering the rest!
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Horn asked Dante if developing countries would prosper in the long term WITHOUT organisations like the Red Cross (which obviously included all the Red Crescent areas etc etc etc).
The point was about Europeans giving assistance to Africa. Horn said, "what, even like the red cross". I was originally going to post "The Red Cross isn't a European organisation." but I thought that would be doing a disservice to (for instance) the British Red Cross, which obviously is a European organisation. Instead, it's much more accurate to say that the Red Cross is not a single organisation - there are lots of different of branches around the world. The wiki refers to it as a movement, which seems a more sensible definition. But if you wish to call it a single organisation, then fine - but then horns question still doesn't make much sense.

To put in simple terms for you : The Red Cross has a valuable role to play in Africa. However, in the long term, this should be a Red Cross* staffed and run by Africans. So horn's question cannot be easily answered by a "yes" or "no" - because it seems to imply there is a single Red Cross which is entirely run by Europeans. Which is not quite the case.

* I use the term Cross here for brevity, but it applies to Red Crescent/Diamond/whatever.
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I thought that the Red Cross/Crescent did a similar job, irrelevant of which country/continent it's based is in. Is this not the case? If it is, why does it matter where it is based?
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If it is, why does it matter where it is based?
Because, in general you will be able to understand (and ultimately assist with) the problems of your immediate neighbours more than the problems of someone thousands of miles away.

edit : There are obvious practical reasons too - if I call for a plumber, I would probably prefer if he is based in Lambeth than, say, Aberdeen.
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I thought that the Red Cross/Crescent did a similar job, irrelevant of which country/continent it's based is in. Is this not the case? If it is, why does it matter where it is based?
oh, okay. I had assumed you were being needlessly hostile. Instead, you're just being a bit dim!

The problem with European intervention in Africa is that it is either self-serving, which is usually bad news for Africa (development loans, oil drilling, diamond mining, sweatshops, etc etc - bad to start with, worse when you see who the bribes are keeping in power), incompetent and counterproductive (Zanu PF being involved in the distribution of UN Famine relief supplies, thus starving the opposition and keeping Mugabe's supporters sweet), short-termist and stymieing (many food aid schemes: people stop farming and become dependent on the handouts, making the situation progressively worse when non-intervention would have been bad but progressively better, with more to show for it) or just plain shite (charity tourism and gap years).

Solutions for problems as enormous as poverty in Africa can't be imposed, they have to be built slowly, from the ground up, and by people who can't cut and run and have to do a good job.
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I thought that the Red Cross/Crescent did a similar job, irrelevant of which country/continent it's based is in. Is this not the case? If it is, why does it matter where it is based?

Along with what everyone said the fact that a different term is needed dependant on location (cross/crescent/diamond etc) would more or less indicate a localised approach is needed.
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when we hear about the amount of aid we ship abroad, are these "structured loans" part/all of that?
I would have thought so - it wouldn't make sense for the government to downplay the amount of aid it sends.
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back to thread, i am once again growing bored and irritated by the entire thing. You try and ignore the coverage but get little snippets that lead to other snippets that mean you're once again watching for updates.

Essentially im viewing a macabre soap-opera and i hate my lack of self control. I've fast-forwarded to the end, assumed - for my sanity they're guilty and basically the portugese journalist who's been leaked to by the police since august wrote that any sentence for manslaughter is up to five years and hiding a body up to 2. So max ~7years (if we ignore parole which is apparently 50% of sentence )and they'll be out. Which is fine, they'll won't miss their other kid's growing up etc, life will go on.


edit the only thing im really curious about - assuming they're guilty is how the fck they hid the body for a month with everyone searching.
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Banks are giant, profit-making, conglomerate corporations. In fact they are legally obliged to do their absolute best to maximise profits for their shareholders. Perhaps it's ungenerous of me but I'm thinking A.N. Fund Manager only sees African suffering in pie charts of capitalistic opportunity.
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edit the only thing im really curious about - assuming they're guilty is how the fck they hid the body for a month with everyone searching.
They fed her to pigs.
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edit the only thing im really curious about - assuming they're guilty is how the fck they hid the body for a month with everyone searching.
Probably by putting it in the place it was found. Few people enjoy carrying rotting corpses from one hiding place to the next.
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I don't think they've found a body, actually.

It is curious to note though that this article is in the 'Entertainment' section of the Yahoo website.
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Wrong again.
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Probably by putting it in the place it was found. Few people enjoy carrying rotting corpses from one hiding place to the next.
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Sorry, my Latin is a little rusty of late. Refresh my memory?
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Ah, yes, those two words brought it all back.
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