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Unread 10 Feb 2003, 18:29   #151
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I've got something more interesting planned for them...

Come Gayle, let us overthrow lucifer and rule hell as a non-conventional king and queen!
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I've got something more interesting planned for them...

Come Gayle, let us overthrow lucifer and rule hell as a non-conventional king and queen!
\o/

Do I get a tail? I could find some interesting uses for a tail
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Do I get a tail? I could find some interesting uses for a tail
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We'd have to re-decorate or something though. I think the flames would look much better in lilac and all that brimstone would just have to go!
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We'd have to re-decorate or something though. I think the flames would look much better in lilac and all that brimstone would just have to go!
Might be useful if we we're having a barbeque though.
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Might be useful if we we're having a barbeque though.
And eat sulphury burgers? Icky! I know what to do with it all though, we can dump it all on top of Ian Paisley and make everyone happy
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And eat sulphury burgers? Icky! I know what to do with it all though, we can dump it all on top of Ian Paisley and make everyone happy
Can't we save some to make the patio?
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Can't we save some to make the patio?
I suppose so. Make sure you get the mix right though, I wouldn't want to have to get Charlie and Tommy in to fix it...um...Charlie...um...on second thoughts anything that makes her more likely to visit is a good thing
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More yorkshire people?
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Charlie Dimmock and Tommy Walsh, the Ground Force crew \o/

Anyone for decking?

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Ah those people.

I think we should leave the garden for a while, unless we want some sort of rockery. What do you think?
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Unread 10 Feb 2003, 18:51   #162
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We can hypothesize, theorize, even jazzercize, it's pointless to play "what if".

I can only say that I believe that God wanted my son with him more than He wanted him on earth, and that the legal powers will take care of the driver. I would have to try very hard to forgive the driver, but I would try.

Yes, I would be hurt, yes, I would be angry, and yes, I would grieve over a lost son, but who would I be grieving for? Not my son, as he will be in a place that is safe and wonderful. I would be grieving for myself, and I have no patience for self-pity.

Let me ask you this. Your <insert family member here> is dying of inoperable brain cancer. All that can be done medically has been done. They ask you to get a priest or other clergyman to pray for healing. You do as requested, and the next day, the cancer is completely gone. It is, by all accounts, a miracle, and you have witnessed it. What do you do?!

Well, I have seen that and quite a few other instances of healing.

Nothing like seeing it first hand to convince a doubter.
 
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Nothing like seeing it first hand to convince a doubter.
Leaving aside your first sentence, and that theology is all speculation anyway...

Show me the evidence for the miracles.

ps. Why did Jesus decide to Save Thomas, but none of the rest of the unbelievers? Favouratism, that's all it is.
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Let me ask you this. Your <insert family member here> is dying of inoperable brain cancer. All that can be done medically has been done. They ask you to get a priest or other clergyman to pray for healing. You do as requested, and the next day, the cancer is completely gone. It is, by all accounts, a miracle, and you have witnessed it. What do you do?!
Hypotheticals do not evidence make.

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We can hypothesize, theorize, even jazzercize, it's pointless to play "what if".
Chap in my siggy did quite well from it (altho it backfired in EPR admittedly).
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Anyway, keep all this relgion out of my and Gayle's homemaking thread.
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Leaving aside your first sentence, and that theology is all speculation anyway...

Show me the evidence for the miracles.

ps. Why did Jesus decide to Save Thomas, but none of the rest of the unbelievers? Favouratism, that's all it is.
See, I'm not trying to convert you. I could really care less about a bunch of pixels on a computer screen, because that's all you are to me, nothing else.

To use your logic, you don't exist, and you can't prove to me that you do, unless I am standing over your shoulder, watching you type the words on your keyboard, and only then, I would have to then rush to my system to see the words there immediately after you hit the submit button. Then, I would need a DNA sample, a dental Panograph, and the support of at least 12 references..

I don't need to give you evidence of anything. It was shown to me, and that was God's plan for me. If you want to see, you will do so when you are ready, and not before. No one can make you believe anything.
 
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To use your logic, you don't exist, and you can't prove to me that you do, unless I am standing over your shoulder, watching you type the words on your keyboard, and only then, I would have to then rush to my system to see the words there immediately after you hit the submit button. Then, I would need a DNA sample, a dental Panograph, and the support of at least 12 references..
You appear to be misunderstanding the nature of empiricism.

Giles, correct the man.
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We can hypothesize, theorize, even jazzercize, it's pointless to play "what if".

I can only say that I believe that God wanted my son with him more than He wanted him on earth, and that the legal powers will take care of the driver. I would have to try very hard to forgive the driver, but I would try.
And I'd admire you for trying to forgive them.
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Yes, I would be hurt, yes, I would be angry, and yes, I would grieve over a lost son, but who would I be grieving for? Not my son, as he will be in a place that is safe and wonderful. I would be grieving for myself, and I have no patience for self-pity.
This is where it falls down again for me, you have been (hypothetically) deprived of the years with your son and yet you 'know' that he's in a 'better place' so it's ok really. Unless you accept what is (in reality) an unknown as fact this makes no sense.
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Well, I have seen that and quite a few other instances of healing.

Nothing like seeing it first hand to convince a doubter.
Nope, didn't work. After falling out with the CofE I had a 2 year long flirtation with the Greater World Christian Spiritualist Church (places of worship in most major towns/cities if you look for them) and they have a major thing about healing. It doesn't prove anything though, Occam's Razor still says a medical hypothesis is the best bet.

As sceptics go I think you could say I'm pretty hard core
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I don't have to prove anything to anyone but myself,...I'm not trying to convince anyone here of anything. I have witnessed more than 6 major healings which have yet to be explained by science. Like I said, that is proof for me, and it DOES make evidence.
 
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You appear to be misunderstanding the nature of empiricism.

Giles, correct the man.
Save it for the debates, I'm through now because it is now progressing beyond discussion to sniping and snipping. I'm not going to get drawn into it.
 
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Ah those people.

I think we should leave the garden for a while, unless we want some sort of rockery. What do you think?
Can I have an alpine rockery? I don't want all those Hieronymous Bosch carniverous jobbies all over the place
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Save it for the debates, I'm through now because it is now progressing beyond discussion to sniping and snipping. I'm not going to get drawn into it.
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What appears to be a major misunderstanding on your part wouldn't be sniping, methinks.

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of course my dear, you need but decide the scale.
Hmmm...Alpine scale \o/

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I would have gone for the Himalayan but I want space for a little gazebo too
How about a croquet lawn?
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What is this (I presume) pop culture reference of which you speak?

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When you hit the last post you become 'poison' and any ball you hit from then on is out of the game

Did you play that weird version where the winner is the one who hits the post first as opposed to the last one left in play?
Both at varying times; ta muchly.

What other amenities should our Fortress of Evil have?
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What other amenities should our Fortress of Evil have?
A bit skull shaped door of course! With plum coloured lipstick and black mascara

Maybe a few (large) Bosch prints to frighten the sinners...OOH! Almost forgot the sinners! Lemme see...

Lock all the lawyers in a cell with Beelzebub, (known to his friends as Bubba) and let him show them how their clients felt \o/
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Who needs a straging post? I'm gonna fix it so we get McGuyver and the A Team. Give them a broken bike, some sticky back plastic, and a knackered old shed and we'll have a doomsday weapon in hours \o/
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Morningstar?

Take over heaven from your hellish fortress?

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Who needs a straging post? I'm gonna fix it so we get McGuyver and the A Team. Give them a broken bike, some sticky back plastic, and a knackered old shed and we'll have a doomsday weapon in hours \o/
The A-Team have killed lots of people. McGuyver I don't know much about.

And true on the bigots comment. Lets just hope they can sing.
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