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7 May 2012, 13:55
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
I read what Mz, whos ability to lay out facts properly and accurate i trust, wrote.. as he said from that, it will be close... your the only person either FaNg or CT or Ultores or neutral disputing that.
So please tell us what is this country mile you talk about
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7 May 2012, 13:58
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Valle is my hero
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Influence
I disagree, Ultores bled more (relatively at least). Also in those 4 days, FAnG had more incs (in absolute numbers). Ult had FAnG/CT/ND/TGV(/App/xVx)( app never hit the same nights as ND in the first week, xVx never coordinated with the block). FAnG had Ult/App/xVx/DFWTK/HR(/CT) (CT only was involved in the attacks for 3 days)
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If you have all the value its harder for those your atatcking to stop you (Ult getting hit by FanG/CT early on) and easier for you to defend against incommings from those with less value (Ult+block hitting a FaNG alliance which had an insane value lead at that point)
Ultores survived because they managed to keep morale up because they genmuinely worked as a team, FaNG struggled because they are 1 man ordering a team of lemming around.
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7 May 2012, 14:09
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Influence
you overtook FAnG during the cooldown period.
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Yes, that seems to be right. On the 16th of April we were in 2nd spot - on the 17th we moved up to 1st. We (the members) were informed that we were at war with FAnG in the early hours of the 17th. So, as I said, FAnG was in 1st place when we dropped the NAP (although not by as big a margin as I'd thought).
Not that this makes any difference to the point I was making.
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7 May 2012, 14:16
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Kaiba
I read what Mz, whos ability to lay out facts properly and accurate i trust, wrote.. as he said from that, it will be close... your the only person either FaNg or CT or Ultores or neutral disputing that.
So please tell us what is this country mile you talk about
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Well im pretty sure he knows his calculation is not correct, and he left out too many variables.
Well if i was the only person denying that Ultores will be winning, by millions, if it continues this way, without Ultores suffering any heavy losses the last week, i surely must be the last sane guy alive.
I dont expect you to be able to see that Ultores is winning, dont get me wrong.
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7 May 2012, 14:26
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Valle is my hero
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
Were not saying that Ultores isnt going to win. We are saying its not a forgone conclusion!!! HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES
Ultores still have to push on to make it happen i cant beleive after being so pro FaNG for so long you are counting your alliance as finished already yet all us Ultores players are the ones saying your alliance is still in the fight. Why are we being your morale officers for you???
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7 May 2012, 14:30
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
It is quite simple.
CT/FaNG were hitting Ult. Both pulling away.
FaNG turned on CT. CT crashed bad (let's not go into why, I am in a foul mood). FaNG Pulled away.
Ult + CT start hitting FaNG. Ult start catching FaNG. CT crash again (once more, don't go there).
Now it seems whoever CT hit out of FaNG and Ult will lose.
So we have a choice
The people who turned on us before Ult were finished off.
Or Ult.
I see no reason why we should stop hitting FaNG.
FaNG messed up by hitting CT too early. FaNG messed up by not sticking to the terms of NAP. FaNG messed on politics all round.
Ult have stuck with it. CT was hitting Ult ONLY to make the round interesting and stop them running away with the lead (and to give themselves a shot at winning of course) and not for any reasons of hate/history and this has been the case.
Politics have been fluid, round has been fun. With 100 ticks left there is still 2 alliances in it. Job done.
But FaNG have NO right to expect any support from CT, when it was effectively FaNG's action which ended CT chance of #1 (no let's not go into crashing again).
And for the record, after FaNG started hitting CT with Ult, most incoming was from Ult who had pretty much 3 fleet attack on CT, whilst FaNG grounded fleets, sent a few fleets (80-100 compared to 200+ from Ult). I guess this is because they thought that Ult could do the dirty work whilst CT would hit Ult back. (Nice honour).
There isn't much else that can be said on the matter apart from one thing.
Reap what you sow.
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7 May 2012, 14:44
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Why would anyone, FAnG/CT/ND/Apprime or who ever go into the round, not seeking to NAP someone to keep the pace with Ultores? FAnG did this mistake last round, going in to the round, thinking that they would take it as it came, then noticing Ultores allready had blocked up the univers preround.
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Again you are wrong, last rd FAnG/CT came into the round allied, as much as xvx/ult were, so completely nullifies that argument..
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7 May 2012, 14:53
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Forest
It is quite simple.
CT/FaNG were hitting Ult. Both pulling away.
FaNG turned on CT. CT crashed bad (let's not go into why, I am in a foul mood). FaNG Pulled away.
Ult + CT start hitting FaNG. Ult start catching FaNG. CT crash again (once more, don't go there).
Now it seems whoever CT hit out of FaNG and Ult will lose.
So we have a choice
The people who turned on us before Ult were finished off.
Or Ult.
I see no reason why we should stop hitting FaNG.
FaNG messed up by hitting CT too early. FaNG messed up by not sticking to the terms of NAP. FaNG messed on politics all round.
Ult have stuck with it. CT was hitting Ult ONLY to make the round interesting and stop them running away with the lead (and to give themselves a shot at winning of course) and not for any reasons of hate/history and this has been the case.
Politics have been fluid, round has been fun. With 100 ticks left there is still 2 alliances in it. Job done.
But FaNG have NO right to expect any support from CT, when it was effectively FaNG's action which ended CT chance of #1 (no let's not go into crashing again).
And for the record, after FaNG started hitting CT with Ult, most incoming was from Ult who had pretty much 3 fleet attack on CT, whilst FaNG grounded fleets, sent a few fleets (80-100 compared to 200+ from Ult). I guess this is because they thought that Ult could do the dirty work whilst CT would hit Ult back. (Nice honour).
There isn't much else that can be said on the matter apart from one thing.
Reap what you sow.
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Well i dont think anyone in FAnG got a problem with CT wanting revenge on FAnG, and therefor letting Ultores win.
Myself, ive accepted the way CT is conducting buisniss, cus i know why they do it.
CT kingmade Ultores this round, there is no denying it.
Now one could use the rest of the eternity discussing who did what.
FAnG HC claim that CT was tricked by Ultores into backstabbing FAnG in the first place.
CT will claim that the deals were diffrent in both occasions(when CT allied Ult, and FAnG allied Ult).
"Politics have been fluid, round has been fun. With 100 ticks left there is still 2 alliances in it. Job done."
The only way there would still be 2 alliances in it is if Ultores magicly should start losing loads and loads of roids to no incommings at all, seeing that FAnG got enough with trying to defend the constant waves of incomming from CT/Ultores block
"And for the record, after FaNG started hitting CT with Ult, most incoming was from Ult who had pretty much 3 fleet attack on CT, whilst FaNG grounded fleets, sent a few fleets (80-100 compared to 200+ from Ult). I guess this is because they thought that Ult could do the dirty work whilst CT would hit Ult back. (Nice honour)."
The reason for FAnG not 2 fleeting/3 fleeting on CT is because FAnG got incommings, and Ultores did not.
We are reaping what we sowed, we did halt CTs bid for #1, and now CT is halting FAnG bid for #1.
Everyone is unhappy, except for Ultores, who is winning because of this.
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7 May 2012, 14:56
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Forest
It is quite simple.
CT/FaNG were hitting Ult. Both pulling away.
FaNG turned on CT. CT crashed bad (let's not go into why, I am in a foul mood). FaNG Pulled away.
Ult + CT start hitting FaNG. Ult start catching FaNG. CT crash again (once more, don't go there).
Now it seems whoever CT hit out of FaNG and Ult will lose.
So we have a choice
The people who turned on us before Ult were finished off.
Or Ult.
I see no reason why we should stop hitting FaNG.
FaNG messed up by hitting CT too early. FaNG messed up by not sticking to the terms of NAP. FaNG messed on politics all round.
Ult have stuck with it. CT was hitting Ult ONLY to make the round interesting and stop them running away with the lead (and to give themselves a shot at winning of course) and not for any reasons of hate/history and this has been the case.
Politics have been fluid, round has been fun. With 100 ticks left there is still 2 alliances in it. Job done.
But FaNG have NO right to expect any support from CT, when it was effectively FaNG's action which ended CT chance of #1 (no let's not go into crashing again).
And for the record, after FaNG started hitting CT with Ult, most incoming was from Ult who had pretty much 3 fleet attack on CT, whilst FaNG grounded fleets, sent a few fleets (80-100 compared to 200+ from Ult). I guess this is because they thought that Ult could do the dirty work whilst CT would hit Ult back. (Nice honour).
There isn't much else that can be said on the matter apart from one thing.
Reap what you sow.
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Very nice story, however, you forget that CT turned on Fang first? I think thats a fairly major issue, but is completely absent from your lovely story!
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7 May 2012, 15:09
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
Let's be honest. Bloody-Butch3rs constant stupidity and trolling on AD has cost FAnG an ally in CT, and possibily FAnG's chances at #1.
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7 May 2012, 15:12
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
That saying, that alone will prod up to 10 million in score, depending on bonus etc etc etc etc.
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15000 roids * 250 res * 1.6 from FCs * 102 ticks / 100 = 6.12m value. Except, of course I'm "in cohort" with Ultores, so clearly my arithmetic cannot be trusted.
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7 May 2012, 15:16
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Colt
Again you are wrong, last rd FAnG/CT came into the round allied, as much as xvx/ult were, so completely nullifies that argument..
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Luckily, i got a logging option on my IRC.
[19:55] <<@FAnG> Top attackers on alliance FAnG are (total: 251) Ultores - 49 | Conspiracy - 46 | xVx - 45 | Unknown - 39 | Tides of Fire - 22
This was one point early last round, either the intel mustve VERY VERY wrongly added, or u sir, are lying like a bitch.
Allthough i might have misunderstood this option in the bot.
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7 May 2012, 15:17
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
Let's be honest. Bloody-Butch3rs constant stupidity and trolling on AD has cost FAnG an ally in CT, and possibily FAnG's chances at #1.
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FAnGs chances at #1 are dimming
However, its not butchers fault we lost a friend and ally in CT
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7 May 2012, 15:18
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
Completly denying facts, ignoring evidence, continueing with the same statements when proven they are incorrect, telling others they are wrong when they got evidence to backup theyr statements etc, etc.. IS NOT JUST "personal oppinions" .. atleast not in my "personal oppinion"
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7 May 2012, 15:21
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Luckily, i got a logging option on my IRC.
[19:55] <mPulse> !surprisesex fang
[19:55] <<@FAnG> Top attackers on alliance FAnG are (total: 251) Ultores - 49 | Conspiracy - 46 | xVx - 45 | Unknown - 39 | Tides of Fire - 22
This was one point early last round, either the intel mustve VERY VERY wrongly added, or u sir, are lying like a bitch.
Allthough i might have misunderstood this option in the bot.
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that would have been very early on in round, like first week. my planet alone has recieved that many incs to date this round.
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7 May 2012, 15:22
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Propaganda Chief
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
that would have been very early on in round, like first week. my planet alone has recieved that many incs to date this round.
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Colt claims CT/FAnG came into the round allied. Wich would mean they wouldnt target each other i assume.
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7 May 2012, 15:23
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Illusion
Completly denying facts, ignoring evidence, continueing with the same statements when proven they are incorrect, telling others they are wrong when they got evidence to backup theyr statements etc, etc.. IS NOT JUST "personal oppinions" .. atleast not in my "personal oppinion"
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Well im not the one denying the facts.
Someone in here still thinks it is a open race given the current situation
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7 May 2012, 15:25
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Colt claims CT/FAnG came into the round allied. Wich would mean they wouldnt target each other i assume.
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There's a difference in actively targetting eachother and hitting the odd planet in galraids.
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7 May 2012, 15:28
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by eksero
There's a difference in actively targetting eachother and hitting the odd planet in galraids.
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Well, both you and Colt might have a diffrent view on what "allied" means, so i cba to start arguing over this one too.
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7 May 2012, 15:30
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
i hope Bloody-Butch3r plays next round. This has got to be the most enjoyable round of AD i have ever read!
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7 May 2012, 15:31
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Well, both you and Colt might have a diffrent view on what "allied" means, so i cba to start arguing over this one too.
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If you read his post, he said 'as much as xvx/ult were', in which i said a couple posts back that we avoided targetting eachother early on, and had no other co-operation beyond that.
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7 May 2012, 15:34
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by eksero
If you read his post, he said 'as much as xvx/ult were', in which i said a couple posts back that we avoided targetting eachother early on, and had no other co-operation beyond that.
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[15:59] <Colt> we were allied to ct from start
01[15:59] <B-Butch3r> lol, well then we wouldnt have attacked em
01[15:59] <B-Butch3r> and if we did attack em
01[15:59] <B-Butch3r> ur wrong
[16:00] <Colt> we didnt attack them
[16:00] <Colt> ¬_¬
[16:00] <Colt> what is hard to understand
Then clearly CT got the better part of the deal last round
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7 May 2012, 15:37
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
[15:59] <Colt> we were allied to ct from start
01[15:59] <B-Butch3r> lol, well then we wouldnt have attacked em
01[15:59] <B-Butch3r> and if we did attack em
01[15:59] <B-Butch3r> ur wrong
[16:00] <Colt> we didnt attack them
[16:00] <Colt> ¬_¬
[16:00] <Colt> what is hard to understand
Then clearly CT got the better part of the deal last round
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Would you really class hitting the odd planet in random galraids the first 1-2 weeks as attacking an alliance? I'm pretty sure Colt meant you didn't attack them in the sense that you didn't actually target them.
Colt, confirm/deny!
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7 May 2012, 15:40
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by eksero
Would you really class hitting the odd planet in random galraids the first 1-2 weeks as attacking an alliance? I'm pretty sure Colt meant you didn't attack them in the sense that you didn't actually target them.
Colt, confirm/deny!
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Well he atleast said that FAnG did not hit CT, cus we were allied, clearly, CT didnt follow the deal if it meant not hitting FAnG
I dont know if the bot had the right intel added allthough, so i might be wrong.
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7 May 2012, 15:54
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Well he atleast said that FAnG did not hit CT, cus we were allied, clearly, CT didnt follow the deal if it meant not hitting FAnG
I dont know if the bot had the right intel added allthough, so i might be wrong.
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Suppose we have different views on 'hitting' an alliance, personally I wouldn't class hitting random ct planets in galraids now and then as attacking ct. You might though!
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7 May 2012, 16:05
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Suppose we have different views on 'hitting' an alliance, personally I wouldn't class hitting random ct planets in galraids now and then as attacking ct. You might though!
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[15:54] <Colt> fang didnt tgt ct no
[15:54] <Colt> i should no
[15:54] <Colt> i bc'd most attacks
[15:55] <Colt> know*
01[15:55] <B-Butch3r> Well why do i remeber hitting CT last round?
[15:55] <Colt> u memory is crap then
[15:55] <Colt> or u solo'd
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7 May 2012, 16:23
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
01[15:55] <B-Butch3r> Well why do i remeber hitting CT last round?
[15:55] <Colt> u memory is crap then
[15:55] <Colt> or u solo'd
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There's your explanation right there then!
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7 May 2012, 16:39
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
Im bemused btw.. your getting incs from CT/Ultores/App/xVx right??? Ultores is your main rival for the round yet all the other block members seemed to have gained nothing whilst Ultores gains a lot.. are you DCing backwards?? surely Ultores incommings should take priority....
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7 May 2012, 17:00
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Don't make me declare war
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Very nice story, however, you forget that CT turned on Fang first? I think thats a fairly major issue, but is completely absent from your lovely story!
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That doesn't come into it though, but I could have started my post with that.
However, I didn't because that was in the middle of the round and we are talking about the end game.
Fang were in a position to win, they turned on CT to early and that is their fault alone.
For clarity, I am not saying Fang shouldn't have turned on CT, just that they pissed up the timing
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7 May 2012, 17:01
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
Let's be honest. Bloody-Butch3rs constant stupidity and trolling on AD has cost FAnG an ally in CT, and possibily FAnG's chances at #1.
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No-one takes AD for serious when it comes to politics
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7 May 2012, 17:26
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
Probably not. But it would be rather funny.
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7 May 2012, 17:32
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Forest
That doesn't come into it though, but I could have started my post with that.
However, I didn't because that was in the middle of the round and we are talking about the end game.
Fang were in a position to win, they turned on CT to early and that is their fault alone.
For clarity, I am not saying Fang shouldn't have turned on CT, just that they pissed up the timing
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This is likely somewhat correct.
Both FAnG and CT ****ed up their war declaration timings.
CT doing it WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early as the "DEFENDERS OF THE UNIVERSE, WE WILL NOT ALLOW STAGNATION", then failing absolutely horribly.
FAnG by under-estimating the team we had and could have easily powered past CT in the long run, but likely got manipulated by Ult somehow.
Regardless, Ult wins, CT sucks donkeyballs, and FAnG gets emo in the 2nd place corner :crymeariver:
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7 May 2012, 20:56
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Mind-boggling
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Psi_K
CT doing it WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early as the "DEFENDERS OF THE UNIVERSE, WE WILL NOT ALLOW STAGNATION", then failing absolutely horribly.
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Sorry?
Do you mean CT failed as an alliance? I really hope so.....
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7 May 2012, 22:24
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Don't make me declare war
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Portsmouth
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Psi_K
This is likely somewhat correct.
Both FAnG and CT ****ed up their war declaration timings.
CT doing it WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early as the "DEFENDERS OF THE UNIVERSE, WE WILL NOT ALLOW STAGNATION", then failing absolutely horribly.
FAnG by under-estimating the team we had and could have easily powered past CT in the long run, but likely got manipulated by Ult somehow.
Regardless, Ult wins, CT sucks donkeyballs, and FAnG gets emo in the 2nd place corner :crymeariver:
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Actually had FaNG not fked up with their 'revenge' then CT's timing would have been absolutely correct.
But I think all sides apart from FaNG could have presumed that FaNG would not have acted as they did at the time they did.
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7 May 2012, 22:40
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Mercenary
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Todmorden
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by eksero
Would you really class hitting the odd planet in random galraids the first 1-2 weeks as attacking an alliance? I'm pretty sure Colt meant you didn't attack them in the sense that you didn't actually target them.
Colt, confirm/deny!
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Considering the amount of incs on !surprisesex (which is wildly inaccurate at best of times) I'd guess its a pretty much pre-tick 100 figure...this suggests to me its just random gal raids, which in my mind and I'm pretty sure everyone's but B-Butch3rs is NOT actively targeting an alliance...
I'm more than certain if you asked Ultores/xVx last rd at same time as your logging (which i have myself fyi) you will find they have random incs on themselves too, does this mean they weren't allied?
Please though butcher, please do try again to prove me wrong....
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7 May 2012, 23:06
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Retard0r
Join Date: Apr 2001
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Colt
I'm more than certain if you asked Ultores/xVx last rd at same time as your logging (which i have myself fyi) you will find they have random incs on themselves too, does this mean they weren't allied?
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In it self, it doesnt. But then again we had no deals with ult last round untill after we were gangbanged by the anti ult block for not joining that one. I don't care what the AD trollsquad believes really, i've been open about xVx politics all along.
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7 May 2012, 23:16
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Colt
Considering the amount of incs on !surprisesex (which is wildly inaccurate at best of times) I'd guess its a pretty much pre-tick 100 figure...this suggests to me its just random gal raids, which in my mind and I'm pretty sure everyone's but B-Butch3rs is NOT actively targeting an alliance...
I'm more than certain if you asked Ultores/xVx last rd at same time as your logging (which i have myself fyi) you will find they have random incs on themselves too, does this mean they weren't allied?
Please though butcher, please do try again to prove me wrong....
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I dont try to prove you wrong, im just pretty sure CT got the better end of the deal, as you were so sure that FAnG did not hit CT at all as u claimed
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8 May 2012, 03:25
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#238
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YAAARRGH!
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Scotland
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Forest
Actually had FaNG not fked up with their 'revenge' then CT's timing would have been absolutely correct.
But I think all sides apart from FaNG could have presumed that FaNG would not have acted as they did at the time they did.
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As with all your posts. Wrong.
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8 May 2012, 06:21
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Don't make me declare war
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Portsmouth
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Connovar
As with all your posts. Wrong.
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Nice post, full of substance there. You even overlooked the fact that a lot of people post to agree with what I have said.
Anyhow, let me spell it out for you.
CT's timing was correct because they kept FaNG down long enough to stop them running away with the round, they stopped Ult from running away with the round and until FaNG turned on CT, it was a straight fight between CT and FaNG.
CT could never have been in a better position, as they could never have put themselves into the position where they were clear winners.
As for presuming what FaNG would do.
I don't think anyone (even Ult when asking you to hit us would believe that you actually would) would think you would hit us so early, opening it up so that it was a three way fight that was risky for you, from a two way fight that you were winning.
Had you left it a week later, then you would have cruised to victory, as has been proved by how quickly CT fell and how long it has taken for Ult to take you down.
Maybe I should remind you that approx 20 mins after FaNG posted to declare war, I posted to say Ult would win.
Fact is, whilst this round has been one of the most fluid and fun politically for a long, long time, the outcomes to the politics have been completely predictable to anyone with half a brain cell.
I still believe FaNG will lose and I still believe it is a round that FaNG should have won with ease due to how the round went but that they threw the round away stating 'we would rather Ult win'.
If you lose it will be because of weak leadership and nothing more.
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8 May 2012, 08:30
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YAAARRGH!
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Scotland
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
Who agrees with you, CT perhaps? I have spoken to some of your members, and they arent happy with your HCs decisions this round. Maybe ultores because you truly have served them well this round?
If CT wanted it to be a fight between Fang and CT in the end for top spot, then they should have declared war much later, when ultores couldnt come back into the game, you were already coasting past fang due to you not having any serious incoming so far. CT pissed their pants at the threat of the ultores block turning on them, and stabbed fang in the back, letting Ultores back into contention
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8 May 2012, 09:51
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Bolivian Alpaca
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
So ult will win another round? LOL. Go Fang and CT!
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8 May 2012, 10:38
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#242
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Mind-boggling
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Forest
It is quite simple.
CT/FaNG were hitting Ult. Both pulling away.
FaNG turned on CT. CT crashed bad (let's not go into why, I am in a foul mood). FaNG Pulled away.
Ult + CT start hitting FaNG. Ult start catching FaNG. CT crash again (once more, don't go there).
Now it seems whoever CT hit out of FaNG and Ult will lose.
So we have a choice
The people who turned on us before Ult were finished off.
Or Ult.
I see no reason why we should stop hitting FaNG.
FaNG messed up by hitting CT too early. FaNG messed up by not sticking to the terms of NAP. FaNG messed on politics all round.
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Look pal, to be quite honest here.. Most of your post is garbage as well as 99.999% of the others posting here.
However you have hit the nail on the head. Fang can not deal with politics/pr in any capable way whatsoever. We knew this b4 Fang came back last round. We knew it at the end of last round. We knew it pre this round and now we know it once again at the end of this round...
Fang need to recruit a pr/pols person to run their show as no one there likes politics/does politics in any efficent manner... IF they had CarDi / JBG / Cain / GMorMonroe do run their pols it would be gg (that list is very much incomplete i know, but it's just to make a point)
Look Fag if you want me recruit u pr person i charge 3 credits and I ll stick someone in you.
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8 May 2012, 10:52
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#243
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by Gio2k
So ult will win another round? LOL. Go Fang and CT!
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I think FAnG fought well.
You cannot win when you have so many fleet incomming as FAnG has had this round.
Im looking forward to seeing what alliance recived what incomming when the round is over.
Well played to CT/Ultores, you deserve to win, but i do hope for the sake of PA you decide to break up you block for next round.
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8 May 2012, 12:01
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#244
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Canadian to the Core
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Canada
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by CBA
IF they had CarDi / JBG / Cain / GMorMonroe do run their pols it would be gg (that list is very much incomplete i know, but it's just to make a point)
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lol Cardi's awful at PR/Pol, rest I agree with.
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8 May 2012, 12:03
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#245
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Tallinn
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
I think FAnG fought well.
You cannot win when you have so many fleet incomming as FAnG has had this round.
Im looking forward to seeing what alliance recived what incomming when the round is over.
Well played to CT/Ultores, you deserve to win, but i do hope for the sake of PA you decide to break up you block for next round.
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quit this shit about others blocking and shiz like that already.. cmon, enough of that
who started this round with blocking? you did, from freaking pt0 basicly.. before telling others how to cope with planetarion, try to get ure own things in order and show the initiative
PS: ultores has been under fire for the first 2/3 of the round which has made it very hard for our ppl to get any value up and deal with incomings.. yet we are fighting ure sorry asses for the top spot.. u might have close to the same amount of incs than ultores has had this round, tho that dosent make it as harsh as it has been on us (read the 2/3 of the round sentence again and a light-bulb might switch on)..
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8 May 2012, 12:04
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
It's hilarious to read Fang members (and others) claiming that Ultores have been gifted the round through some sort of favourable politics and blocking when the only reason Fang were ever in any position to win themselves was due to pre-round politics, mass blocking vs their only competition and a free ride for the first half of the round. Take away those favourable scenarios and you are basically left with just another ND. Good job though guys, lets hope your sense of injustice and self pity spurs you on to actually try playing (read, pre-round block even more allies and avoid incs longer) next round.
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8 May 2012, 13:18
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by VenoX
It's hilarious to read Fang members (and others) claiming that Ultores have been gifted the round through some sort of favourable politics and blocking when the only reason Fang were ever in any position to win themselves was due to pre-round politics, mass blocking vs their only competition and a free ride for the first half of the round. Take away those favourable scenarios and you are basically left with just another ND. Good job though guys, lets hope your sense of injustice and self pity spurs you on to actually try playing (read, pre-round block even more allies and avoid incs longer) next round.
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Lol, Ultores did win due to CT gifting them the win? there is no way in hell they wouldve caught up with FAnG otherwise
But its a part of the game, its well played by both CT/Ultores and FAnG to keep it interesting for around 1000 ticks.
Its been a good round, with awfull stats though
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8 May 2012, 13:31
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Registered User
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Lol, Ultores did win due to CT gifting them the win? there is no way in hell they wouldve caught up with FAnG otherwise
But its a part of the game, its well played by both CT/Ultores and FAnG to keep it interesting for around 1000 ticks.
Its been a good round, with awfull stats though
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?? its like u do not read the posts at all.. null
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8 May 2012, 13:35
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
ok ill try to help u..
what venox was refering to.. was..
that fang wouldnt have been able to get into the position where they were in the first place, if they hadn`t blocked with others (including CT) from the start of the round..
that action made it possible that fang received no incs for the 2/3 of the round and built up value/score/roids whatever.. if they hadn`t ganged on ult with others from the start of the round, they would have most probably been on average ranks and there would have been nothing to cath on
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8 May 2012, 13:58
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Bolivian Alpaca
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Re: The Round from CBA's perspective
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
I think FAnG fought well.
You cannot win when you have so many fleet incomming as FAnG has had this round.
Im looking forward to seeing what alliance recived what incomming when the round is over.
Well played to CT/Ultores, you deserve to win, but i do hope for the sake of PA you decide to break up you block for next round.
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The point is, you usually have to avoid too many fights. Fang declared war on CT a bit too early. It all comes down to politics. Then again, it seems CT died way too fast :P
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