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Unread 27 Jan 2003, 16:21   #1
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Linux user interfaces
Why why why isn't there a nice, decent user interface under linux?
To me it always seems that there's something wrong with all of them, either Gnome or KDE (yes I know there's others) whatever theme or settings you apply to them.

The problem is this:
While many linux users may hate windows microsoft have over, the years, pretty much perfected thier user interface. It's just the right size to get lots of info on the screen without making the controls miniscule.
Interfaces in linux tend towards the big and clunky, and what REALLY pisses me off is that they seem to totally ignore the entire point of increasing resolution (more workspace) - they just expand as you increase resolution.

Whywhywhywhywhy?
It can't be that hard to copy redmond's can it?

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Unread 27 Jan 2003, 16:34   #2
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I absolutely agree on the 'fitting lots of things into the screen at the same time' nonsense, and especially that the buttons for pretty much everything in Gnome are so fking huge

I'm sure its configurable, but I doubt the uni would be best pleased.
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If it's anything like my uni your config changes go byebye when you log out.
I have to do "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" EVERY SINGLE TIME fs!

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Unread 27 Jan 2003, 21:57   #4
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Code:
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> $ echo -e "alias ls='ls --color=auto'\nalias ll='ls -l'" >.mybashrc
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total 120920
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The windows GUI style has quite a lot of flaws/omissions, but is generally ok. I hear BlackBox is meant to be good for linux, although I havent got round to trying it yet.
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Complaining about linux having big buttons is like complaining that winXP has fluffy colors... it's configurable, and if your uni has any idea about running a *nix system, there are configfiles on your home directory that will keep any changes.

btw...
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$ alias ls='ls --color'
is just like doing
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C:>doskey dir='dir /p'
in MSDOS... (assuming I remember the doskey syntax, which I probably don't)

The point is you have to save those settings somewhere, and under *nix that's typically in a file called something like .bashrc (for bash), .cshrc (for csh and derivatives) etc. (just as under MSDOS, those things would go in autoexec.bat)

Check with your uni sysadmin to find out what (if anything) you can change from the default setup... I'm betting it's quite a bit unless the sysadmin is a complete n00b...
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The linux systems here are not stateful - the user profile is reset to an image upon logout.
Every user gets exactly the same desktop, theme, colours, rc files, etc etc.

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One of my chief gripes with Ximian Gnome is the "clunkiness" of the GUI. It's getting better though, and (in Ximian especially) is now a lot more configurable to feel less "cluttered".

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The linux systems here are not stateful - the user profile is reset to an image upon logout.
Every user gets exactly the same desktop, theme, colours, rc files, etc etc.
Wow...

Around here every new user is given a default desktop, and if your own customizations gets messed up you just run a script to reset to default. But only when the user asks for it... honestly can't think of any scenario where always resetting it makes sense...

I stand by my previous statement then... your sysadmins are n00bs...
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the linux gui interfaces (gnome/kde etc) are so similar to windows that anyone that says other wise is lieing. and thats ignoreing the fact that there are themes available to make it look 100% like windows.

did you know, if you resize the default gnome toolbar for example to 24px in height, then it becomes the same size as the windows toolbar and all the icons shrink down to that size too?

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did you know, if you resize the default gnome toolbar for example to 24px in height, then it becomes the same size as the windows toolbar and all the icons shrink down to that size too?
They clearly didn't *sigh*

Look at the Ximian Gnome desktop. It's very nice. Maybe the interface isn't quite as good as that of OS X or Windows, but don't tell me that this interface is a bad one!

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this interface is a bad one!
That didn't look too bad /me wants to try it, but it doesn't support RH 8.0 yet
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Try blackbox, or fluxbox window managers in conjuction with one of the more simple gtk themes. Both are fairly minimal.
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this interface is a bad one!
That didn't look too bad /me wants to try it, but it doesn't support RH 8.0 yet
Are you on drugs?
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don't tell me that this interface is a bad one!
Oh and afaik it does work with RH8.0 just not officially etc...

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Are you on drugs?
No Why are you asking, want some?

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Oh and afaik it does work with RH8.0 just not officially etc...
Cool, I'll give it a try then
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No Why are you asking, want some?
Cos you misquoted me to imply I didn't like Ximian

Oh and I have plenty thanks!

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Cos you misquoted me to imply I didn't like Ximian
lol....that is what happens when you don't read what you quote and just think you know what it says

Do you happen to have any links about how to get it to work with RH 8.0?
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Here in the Linux world, we just call them user interfaces.
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