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[dabult]

Originally Posted by Alki

So guys after suffering a brain haemorrhage after page 3, and passing out for several hours, i've finally come around and decided rather than risk suffering aids of the brain, i'll just ask, what is your crack?

that nobody is stopping Asc from winning and that all nobody therefor suck

[dabult]

I would like to forward what stay_posi posted and ninjadeleted.

---Quote (Originally by dabult)---
that nobody is stopping Asc from winning that and all nobody therefor suck
---End Quote---
its not that nobody is trying, its just that they aren't succeeding

just because im bored, one kid has the playstation and another has the tv

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by dabult

that nobody is stopping Asc from winning and that all nobody therefor suck

Uh-huh, yeah.

[Villeh]

I have faith in your ability to catch up with them.

Yeah Baby Yeah

[Mzyxptlk]

That's a misleading graph and (I hope) you know it as well as I do. Allow me to give you some more useful figures. This is why we're not gaining on NewDawn:

NewDawn Size: 112596 (100729)
Ascendancy Size: 157063 (102166)

The underlined bit is roids on our top60 planets.

[dabult]

Whats with all the talk about top60 planets anyway? Does it in any way effect final rankings?

serious question

[JDD]

Originally Posted by dabult

Whats with all the talk about top60 planets anyway? Does it in any way effect final rankings?

serious question

Only the top 60 planets in each alliance count towards the collective alliance score.

[dabult]

Originally Posted by JDD

Only the top 60 planets in each alliance count towards the collective alliance score.

Aha, thank you.

[Villeh]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

That's a misleading graph and (I hope) you know it as well as I do. Allow me to give you some more useful figures. This is why we're not gaining on NewDawn:

NewDawn Size: 112596 (100729)
Ascendancy Size: 157063 (102166)

The underlined bit is roids on our top60 planets.

Yeah it was more meant as a pointer to the fact that Asc is by far a better, and more efficient roider that ND.

What would really be interesting is some insight into how much ND and Asc has sitting in hidden production. (ie the 5 mill score hidden Asc gained when jintao joined the tag yesterday)...

Where's that crazy scanner dude from #scans that scanned the whole uni last round?

[OlaTa]

Originally Posted by Villeh

Yeah it was more meant as a pointer to the fact that Asc is by far a better, and more efficient roider that ND.

What would really be interesting is some insight into how much ND and Asc has sitting in hidden production. (ie the 5 mill score hidden Asc gained when jintao joined the tag yesterday)...

Will he count enough for tag? He has spent most of round in vgn(?) tag, so his full score is not counting for ascendancy.

[HaNzI]

Originally Posted by Villeh

Yeah it was more meant as a pointer to the fact that Asc is by far a better, and more efficient roider that ND.

What would really be interesting is some insight into how much ND and Asc has sitting in hidden production. (ie the 5 mill score hidden Asc gained when jintao joined the tag yesterday)...

Where's that crazy scanner dude from #scans that scanned the whole uni last round?

This is just the kinda things that makes discussions far longer then they need to be. Jintao doesnt count nowhere near as much as what you said, because Asc's #60 is not far from the score Jintao will contribute when he joins tag and let out production.

By posting what you did there, you mislead people to think Asc gain 5mill on ND.
Get facts right please before posting so we avoid to have trolls like me to destroy your post.


edit: that crazy scannerdude was me, but i suggest you do the scans yourself if you are so eager to find out!

[[JungleMuffin]]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

That's a misleading graph and (I hope) you know it as well as I do. Allow me to give you some more useful figures. This is why we're not gaining on NewDawn:

NewDawn Size: 112596 (100729)
Ascendancy Size: 157063 (102166)

The underlined bit is roids on our top60 planets.

It may be only t60 planets that add to final score, but when it comes to a war, which the final week most likely be, value will be needed. Asc will have an extra 30 planets or so advantage over ND, all of whom have substantially more roids, giving them substantially more value in the final days. These planets that dont contribute directly to score, will contribute to it in other ways, by roiding ND t60, by suiciding their score to kill ND t60 score, by flacking for Asc t60 members, by defending Asc t60 members.

Effectively, Asc will have another 50 planets to protect their t60, ND will have 20. Then, there is also that hirr thing, which i rightly or wrongly believe, is a trump card.

People who are saying ND are in the box seat, are still playing you all for fools.

Edit: Admit ive been right for the last 1000 ticks please, i deserve a cookie.

[Knight Theamion]

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

Edit: Admit ive been right for the last 1000 ticks please, i deserve a cookie.

[04:13] <@[-_-]> .cookie jungle pity cookie, you are not right. But I want to give you a cookie.
[04:13] -Munin- I don't know who 'jungle' is, so I can't very well give them any cookies can I?

[[JungleMuffin]]

Originally Posted by Knight Theamion

[04:13] <@[-_-]> .cookie jungle pity cookie, you are not right. But I want to give you a cookie.
[04:13] -Munin- I don't know who 'jungle' is, so I can't very well give them any cookies can I?

Appears Munin and intelligence is somewhat of an oxymoron.

Oh well, some may say lucky Munin, ignorance, in this case, is truelly bliss.

[Villeh]

Originally Posted by OlaTa

Will he count enough for tag? He has spent most of round in vgn(?) tag, so his full score is not counting for ascendancy.

I might be wrong, but won't the resources he has in production count towards Asc tag score when he release it? I thought none of his current score/value gets added, but all he has in hidden production will, as its in production and is 'hidden' from his current score/value?
If it is as I think it is, he will, by just dropping his hidden production, add more than 5 mill score to the Asc tag!?

[Villeh]

Originally Posted by HaNzI

yadayadayada

Boy you were a lot nicer before you joined Ascendancy...
Does the tag come with an instant 'asshole attitude' package?

(Yes there are a lot of really cool people there too, I'm just making a point )

[[JungleMuffin]]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1

And didnt jintao leave quite a while back? Meaning he may have score other than prod to add to tag?

[dabult]

By the way, in lack of arch enemys and general cnuts this round from hirr's pov we're starting something new.

Highest bidder gets to pick the lemmingrun target of the round, send your offers and targets to Dworak on irc.
Criterias; target must be in top 5 alliance, target itself must be in the top 20.

Whats in it for you? Approximatly 15 billion ships guaranteed to land on somebody you dont like
SK's guaranteed to decimate risk of target running.

signed dabster, one of hirr's 28 HC.

[Knight Theamion]

Originally Posted by Villeh

I might be wrong, but won't the resources he has in production count towards Asc tag score when he release it? I thought none of his current score/value gets added, but all he has in hidden production will, as its in production and is 'hidden' from his current score/value?
If it is as I think it is, he will, by just dropping his hidden production, add more than 5 mill score to the Asc tag!?

It is not as you think it is.

Once he joins the tag his 'tagscore' starts at 0 + whatever he gained from leaving his previous tag.
Say for the sake of argument this is 800k score.
But because our #60 contributes, for the sake of argument, 4.5 million score, this means jintao does not contribute to the tag.

If he drops his production of 5 million, once again, for the sake of argument, 5 million. He becomes. 5.8 million. This means that from #100 or so, he becomes ranked higher the #60. The old #59 will become #60 and Jintao will land somewhere into the top 60 of the tag, adding 1.3 million score to it, instead of the full 5 million he just released.


If he had stayed in the VGN tag all round and he released it, the full 5 million would've counted for the tag. (assuming that pre-release he was in the top 60 as well.)

I hope this clarifies it.

[[JungleMuffin]]

Originally Posted by dabult

By the way, in lack of arch enemys and general cnuts this round from hirr's pov we're starting something new.

Highest bidder gets to pick the lemmingrun target of the round, send your offers and targets to Dworak on irc.
Criterias; target must be in top 5 alliance, target itself must be in the top 20.

Whats in it for you? Approximatly 15 billion ships guaranteed to land on somebody you dont like
SK's guaranteed to decimate risk of target running.

signed dabster, one of hirr's 28 HC.

I bid infinity. Target = 7:6:13, Mikee, HC of LML/LJND, eternal enemy of LMD and its brave, brave warriors.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Villeh

Boy you were a lot nicer before you joined Ascendancy...
Does the tag come with an instant 'asshole attitude' package?

(Yes there are a lot of really cool people there too, I'm just making a point )

He was saying you're wrong. That doesn't make him an asshole. He would be if he called you a retard in the process, but he didn't and quite honestly his post was pretty accurate!

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

It may be only t60 planets that add to final score, but when it comes to a war, which the final week most likely be, value will be needed. Asc will have an extra 30 planets or so advantage over ND, all of whom have substantially more roids, giving them substantially more value in the final days. These planets that dont contribute directly to score, will contribute to it in other ways, by roiding ND t60, by suiciding their score to kill ND t60 score, by flacking for Asc t60 members, by defending Asc t60 members.

Effectively, Asc will have another 50 planets to protect their t60, ND will have 20. Then, there is also that hirr thing, which i rightly or wrongly believe, is a trump card.

I don't know man. We've been launching on fattish CT galaxies for the last week or so and they still have quite a few roids. Obviously I'm not saying this is the same as a war, but I hope you get the idea.

Further, I firmly believe ND won't crash as much as CT did (seriously guys, you need to educate your members to only launch when they're around at land tick if you're ever going to have a shot at #1).

And lastly, even if we assume Ascendancy will drop the nap with ND a week from round end, at the moment our top60 is gaining a negligible amount of value on ND. This has not changed since the beginning of the nap and I have no reason to believe it will change in the future (See the graph I posted earlier). We are currently 13m behind ND. If ND crashes equal amounts of value to Ascendancy does (not unreasonable) then we need to gain 10k roids on on ND on our top60 planets every day before we catch up with them.

As for hirr, salvage donation to the enemy does not a trump card make.

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

People who are saying ND are in the box seat, are still playing you all for fools..

I am totally honest when I say I don't know who is going to win. I'm giving both sides a 50/50 shot at the moment, because we all know Ascendancy is a very good alliance and it would be stupid to count us out because of some semi-eloquent whining on the forums.

[HaNzI]

Originally Posted by Villeh

Boy you were a lot nicer before you joined Ascendancy...
Does the tag come with an instant 'asshole attitude' package?

(Yes there are a lot of really cool people there too, I'm just making a point )

The post was not a personal attack on any level.
Take a look at how many posts this thread has, and if you have read the entire thread like i have, you will find out that there are a lot of people who just HAVE TO POST,even though they are completely wrong.
This leads to other people being a bit offended by this post, and because someone is clearly wrong on the internet, all of a sudden you have another pointless discussion far from the original topic. So my post might have been a tiny but harsh but it had my best intentions by being correct.

[Kargool]

Where does DLR fit into all this? DLR is a bg with close ties to ND. (Troll and steinmetz make Brokeback Mountain look like sesame street.) and if hirr is in ascs pockets, I would assume that however neutral Troll and Grog claim to be, they are most likely to be co-operating with ND.

[HaNzI]

a potential merge could seal the roundwin for the new tag

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by HaNzI

a potential merge could seal the roundwin for the new tag

Originally Posted by PA

You can only commence merges between ticks 0 and 672

[dabult]

Originally Posted by Kargool

and if hirr is in ascs pockets,

Fyi, we are not.
We napped a while back, thats all.

[Gate]

It looks closer than I thought: assuming that both asc and ND start with equal stockpiles, their t60 have equal roidcount atm, they crash an equal amount and they both get to roidrace until the round end, I calculate Asc t60 scoregain to be about 11mil larger than ND's.

That's a lot of assumptions though - and it relies on ND not losing more roids than asc to attacks. Right now that's not happening: asc will take the win.

[Grog]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Where does DLR fit into all this? DLR is a bg with close ties to ND. (Troll and steinmetz make Brokeback Mountain look like sesame street.)

:-) NewDawn has a "never allowed back in ND" list.

The name at the top of that list is Troll.
There may be some DLR people sympathetic to ND, but I assure you Troll isn't one of them.

[Villeh]

Originally Posted by Knight Theamion

It is not as you think it is.

Once he joins the tag his 'tagscore' starts at 0 + whatever he gained from leaving his previous tag.
Say for the sake of argument this is 800k score.
But because our #60 contributes, for the sake of argument, 4.5 million score, this means jintao does not contribute to the tag.

If he drops his production of 5 million, once again, for the sake of argument, 5 million. He becomes. 5.8 million. This means that from #100 or so, he becomes ranked higher the #60. The old #59 will become #60 and Jintao will land somewhere into the top 60 of the tag, adding 1.3 million score to it, instead of the full 5 million he just released.


If he had stayed in the VGN tag all round and he released it, the full 5 million would've counted for the tag. (assuming that pre-release he was in the top 60 as well.)

I hope this clarifies it.

Thank You!

Straight to the point and gave answers to the questions I had!

[voodoo]

it hurts me deeply that people still buy into the "let's downplay our chances card".
it truely, honestly does.

while ascendancy may be right at any given poin that they are not in the best possition to win (beginning of the round with 40 players, early-mid round when they are heavily teamed up on, mid-late round when they are only competting for the #1 with JUST ONE other ally....), they know better than that. they always know better than that, and yet, here comes the forum brigade to swear on their mother's grave and their children's lives that there is STILL indeed a real question of who will win the round.

(jbg: through creating this thread you may have saved your alliance, but it cost you 5 points in my e-cool graph - adding to the other 5 when you used the entire alliance to make sure you get gal win and thus bashing all other galaxies even if they had 3-6 asc players in them(2:10 was it?) -)

[Mzyxptlk]

I don't lie. I might be wrong, but I don't lie.

[ellonweb]

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

It may be only t60 planets that add to final score, but when it comes to a war, which the final week most likely be, value will be needed.

Ascendancy has no intentions of warring NewDawn.

Originally Posted by Gate

It looks closer than I thought: assuming that both asc and ND start with equal stockpiles, their t60 have equal roidcount atm, they crash an equal amount and they both get to roidrace until the round end, I calculate Asc t60 scoregain to be about 11mil larger than ND's.

At the beginning of the week, Ascendancy was 10m behind NewDawn. That gap is now 13m. Ascendancy are crashing more. Go figure.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Where does DLR fit into all this? DLR is a bg with close ties to ND. (Troll and steinmetz make Brokeback Mountain look like sesame street.) and if hirr is in ascs pockets, I would assume that however neutral Troll and Grog claim to be, they are most likely to be co-operating with ND.

[15:25] <[ND]SteInMetz> troll
[15:25] <[ND]SteInMetz> wanna join me in the tent
[15:26] <@Troll> why can't i quit u

We've been outed

[SteInMetz]

The tent was a secret.. I hate kargool

[Kargool]

Haha! outed!

[lokken]

Originally Posted by voodoo

it hurts me deeply that people still buy into the "let's downplay our chances card".
it truely, honestly does.

while ascendancy may be right at any given poin that they are not in the best possition to win (beginning of the round with 40 players, early-mid round when they are heavily teamed up on, mid-late round when they are only competting for the #1 with JUST ONE other ally....), they know better than that. they always know better than that, and yet, here comes the forum brigade to swear on their mother's grave and their children's lives that there is STILL indeed a real question of who will win the round.

(jbg: through creating this thread you may have saved your alliance, but it cost you 5 points in my e-cool graph - adding to the other 5 when you used the entire alliance to make sure you get gal win and thus bashing all other galaxies even if they had 3-6 asc players in them(2:10 was it?) -)

I don't think it's downplaying. For me, I view this round as very difficult for us. We are playing in a hostile universe where if we do anything, we have to fight our way out. It is very difficult to sustain, and so far we have met the challenge. To win we have to play a perfect round, so far we've been close to perfect. The great thing about this round for me thinking through the Asc perspective is that it's been a challenge and play to a level we've not seen some time. Three things so far stick in my mind: the sheer determination to beat Omen; the survival of being roided by everyone; the utter laying waste of Conspiracy. To get as far as we have has certainly impressed me, if we go one better and win the damn thing, Ascendancy would deserve to be more than a collection of elites, but it would be a truly great alliance.

People seem to take the view that Ascendancy winning is a foregone conclusion and that it is straighforward, even 'easy'. It is anything but the case. In light of the difficulty we face, I think my posts at least have every right to make conservative estimates. If we work hard and make few mistakes we will be very very well placed. But that's a very big 'if'.

[[ND]Byrney]

I don't think it's a 'very big if' at all. As you say yourself, up to now you've played a very nearly perfect round and yet you seem to be suggesting that now there's a good chance you start making mistakes and letting off the gas with victory in your sights. Sure, traditionally people get bored and maybe careless towards the end of rounds, but in one so close as this I can't see Ascendancy doing anything other than continuing to be (very nearly) perfect.

The only way I can see this round not ending in a win for Ascendancy now is if the current political situation changes. ND cannot hope to beat you in a roidrace, your defence is superior and come the last week I can't see them matching you for XP escorts either. I might be underestimating ND, but everything I've seen of this round so far tells me Asc will win.

[[JungleMuffin]]

FFS WILL YOU ALL STOP BEING SO FULL OF SH*T.

First it was: Its really unlikely we will win, cos everyone is bashin the feck out of us. "No"

Second it was: Well they stopped bashing the feck out of us, but CT is soooo far ahead, its unlikely we will win. "No"

Third: Well its like, surely we are on par with CT, but noone will ever let us stay here, because they know we are Asc, i still think its unlikely we will win. "No"

Fourth: Well, we may be 30k roids in front of any other alliance, have an extra 30 members than ND do aswell, but really, their t60 has the same roids as our t60. Now lets pretend we dont have a 30k roid advantage, 30 other planets, because of ND being equal on t60 roids we are, lol?, unlikely to win. "No"

Fifth: Asc is starting to crash more than ND (lol i like this one), therefore we are unlikely to win (or insert something else here, that will instantly be swallowed by every power wielding muppet of an alliance HC.) "No"

Tbh, it kind of disappoints me to see that the biggest threat to Asc winning another round has come from people who actually arent in an alliance playing for #1, fighting them on the forums.

Asc can play it down for the rest of the round if they want, but at some point u have to admit ur probable winners of the round. I would respect Asc alot more if they showed some nut, and made the call now. What would taste sweeter, playing it down till the end, or coming out with 2 weeks to go, have the enemy come at you, and win the toe to toe fight?

<Appocomaster> So Munin, how did u pull this one off? <Munin> WTFOLAWLOLOLOLCOSURALLTOOOOOEASSSYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!111123

[JonnyBGood]

My greatest moment in Planetarion was undoubtedly when I made voodoo say something about me which I never knew about and really made no difference to me but I knew that he said it and that therefore I won at the internet. Almost as good as the time I fell asleep reading this thread in fact.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

Fourth: Well, we may be 30k roids in front of any other alliance, have an extra 30 members than ND do aswell, but really, their t60 has the same roids as our t60. Now lets pretend we dont have a 30k roid advantage, 30 other planets, because of ND being equal on t60 roids we are, lol?, unlikely to win. "No"

I said 50/50. Don't twist my words.

[Gate]

I'd like to hear more from the other alliances about what's going on politically.

This is pure rumour: but I heard something along the lines of CT refusing to NAP ND and hit Asc because ND were fence-ing it or something. This was said sometime last week when CT still had a good chance at winning.

Is this true? It sounds far too stupid to be.

[Zoro]

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

FFS WILL YOU ALL STOP BEING SO FULL OF SH*T.

First it was: Its really unlikely we will win, cos everyone is bashin the feck out of us. "No"

Second it was: Well they stopped bashing the feck out of us, but CT is soooo far ahead, its unlikely we will win. "No"

Third: Well its like, surely we are on par with CT, but noone will ever let us stay here, because they know we are Asc, i still think its unlikely we will win. "No"

Fourth: Well, we may be 30k roids in front of any other alliance, have an extra 30 members than ND do aswell, but really, their t60 has the same roids as our t60. Now lets pretend we dont have a 30k roid advantage, 30 other planets, because of ND being equal on t60 roids we are, lol?, unlikely to win. "No"

Fifth: Asc is starting to crash more than ND (lol i like this one), therefore we are unlikely to win (or insert something else here, that will instantly be swallowed by every power wielding muppet of an alliance HC.) "No"

Tbh, it kind of disappoints me to see that the biggest threat to Asc winning another round has come from people who actually arent in an alliance playing for #1, fighting them on the forums.

Asc can play it down for the rest of the round if they want, but at some point u have to admit ur probable winners of the round. I would respect Asc alot more if they showed some nut, and made the call now. What would taste sweeter, playing it down till the end, or coming out with 2 weeks to go, have the enemy come at you, and win the toe to toe fight?

<Appocomaster> So Munin, how did u pull this one off? <Munin> WTFOLAWLOLOLOLCOSURALLTOOOOOEASSSYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!111123

I couldn't agree more

[lokken]

Originally Posted by [ND]Byrney

I don't think it's a 'very big if' at all. As you say yourself, up to now you've played a very nearly perfect round and yet you seem to be suggesting that now there's a good chance you start making mistakes and letting off the gas with victory in your sights. Sure, traditionally people get bored and maybe careless towards the end of rounds, but in one so close as this I can't see Ascendancy doing anything other than continuing to be (very nearly) perfect.

The only way I can see this round not ending in a win for Ascendancy now is if the current political situation changes. ND cannot hope to beat you in a roidrace, your defence is superior and come the last week I can't see them matching you for XP escorts either. I might be underestimating ND, but everything I've seen of this round so far tells me Asc will win.

No one is saying we can't win or whatever. Simple reality is that for us to win it's going to be hard. We're capable of hitting that level but you can't ever take things like that for granted. If people expect us to it's a pretty huge compliment but we actually have to do it first.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Gate

Is this true? It sounds far too stupid to be.

You realise this is CT HC right?

[Knight Theamion]

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

Fourth: Well, we may be 30k roids in front of any other alliance, have an extra 30 members than ND do aswell, but really, their t60 has the same roids as our t60. Now lets pretend we dont have a 30k roid advantage, 30 other planets, because of ND being equal on t60 roids we are, lol?, unlikely to win. "No"

[12:02] -Munin- asc Members: 122 (60), Value: 424854665 (274364732), Avg: 3482415 (4572745), Score: 580186205 (367777952), Avg: 4755624 (6129632), Size: 167700 (107256), Avg: 1374 (1787), XP: 2588859 (1556887), Avg: 21220 (25948)
[12:02] -Munin- new Members: 82 (60), Value: 325544371 (284400208), Avg: 3970053 (4740003), Score: 428357551 (369358468), Avg: 5223872 (6155974), Size: 115465 (103873), Avg: 1408 (1731), XP: 1713553 (1415971), Avg: 20896 (23599)

Do the calcs. The bold numbers are the ones, according to munin, counting for the tag score.
If this was about 'total tag score' or 'total members' then yeah it would be a win already. With a 160 mill lead, this however is not the case. The big value in our 'tail' might even be a negative point for us as the whole of Ascendancy grows and not just the part that, quite literally, counts.

In the last days (last 3 I think) we've been pretty much on par with ND, which means that the gap is staying as it is and today is a weekend day and Ascendancy has never been very much of a 'weekend' alliance.
So I challenge you to actually come up with some real proper arguments why we have it 'in the bag'. We haven't closed in on them for 3 days now. Which, with about 14 days remaining is pretty shit.

So we haven't got it in the bag. Not nearly.

About the ticks untill now: We've pretty much put on a decent fight and can be proud, it is worth **** all if we do not finish it. A few crashes, cardi emo-quitting the tag (hi dec/caj) or some more caj/game like failures and it would be all for nothing.

[[JungleMuffin]]

Originally Posted by Knight Theamion

With a 160 mill lead, this however is not the case. The big value in our 'tail' might even be a negative point for us as the whole of Ascendancy grows and not just the part that, quite literally, counts.

Oh forgive me. Having all those extra fleets is clearly a bad thing. How stupid of me not to realise that. How on earth could i possibly not understand that having an extra 100 million value advantage over another alliance is a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Knight Theamion

In the last days (last 3 I think) we've been pretty much on par with ND, which means that the gap is staying as it is

Without knowing the inner workings of your alliance, id say you dont wanna start smashing ND now, cos if u hit the front with 10 days to go, theres gonna be alot of hungry eyes looking at Asc. I assure you, if Asc thouht that not gaining on ND was a bad thing right now, theyd be doing a hell of alot about it.

Ur starting to become like kila. Lay off the fgtry pills.

[Knight Theamion]

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

Oh forgive me. Having all those extra fleets is clearly a bad thing. How stupid of me not to realise that. How on earth could i possibly not understand that having an extra 100 million value advantage over another alliance is a bad thing.

If you read carefully what I wrote you would've noticed that I said that those extra 100 mill value all cap roids, while the roids capped by ND pretty much go to their top 60 directly. Ofcourse in terms of war it is an advantage, but if you want to 'play the tag', as is required now, it matters **** all.

Without knowing the inner workings of your alliance, id say you dont wanna start smashing ND now, cos if u hit the front with 10 days to go, theres gonna be alot of hungry eyes looking at Asc. I assure you, if Asc thouht that not gaining on ND was a bad thing right now, theyd be doing a hell of alot about it.

Ur starting to become like kila. Lay off the fgtry pills.

Not gaining on your opponents is always a bad thing. Napped or not. But you have to look at your options and going full frontal assault on them isn't really one, we think.

[[JungleMuffin]]

Originally Posted by Knight Theamion

If you read carefully what I wrote you would've noticed that I said that those extra 100 mill value all cap roids, while the roids capped by ND pretty much go to their top 60 directly. Ofcourse in terms of war it is an advantage, but if you want to 'play the tag', as is required now, it matters **** all.

Bollox. That 100 mil dont just cap roids, they stop ND from capping roids. They kill ND score. They can suicide def, to save Asc score.

Theres 50-60 planets whose score may aswell be 0 if they dont add to tag score, that means if need be, every single one of them can suicide on an ND t60, if it reduces their score.

Originally Posted by Knight Theamion

Not gaining on your opponents is always a bad thing. Napped or not. But you have to look at your options and going full frontal assault on them isn't really one, we think.

No. Tortoise and the Hare. Read it.

As for other options, Asc are either gonna a) outroid them for the win, or b) kick the crap out of them when you need to. If plan A doesnt work, plan B will work far more efficiently.

Theres no 50-50 about this, you and i both know it.

[Mikee]

Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]

I bid infinity. Target = 7:6:13, Mikee, HC of LML/LJND, eternal enemy of LMD and its brave, brave warriors.

mhm LMD is back ?

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Knight Theamion

[12:02] -Munin- asc Members: 122 (60), Value: 424854665 (274364732), Avg: 3482415 (4572745), Score: 580186205 (367777952), Avg: 4755624 (6129632), Size: 167700 (107256), Avg: 1374 (1787), XP: 2588859 (1556887), Avg: 21220 (25948)
[12:02] -Munin- new Members: 82 (60), Value: 325544371 (284400208), Avg: 3970053 (4740003), Score: 428357551 (369358468), Avg: 5223872 (6155974), Size: 115465 (103873), Avg: 1408 (1731), XP: 1713553 (1415971), Avg: 20896 (23599)

If I understand that correctly, Asc are 2mil behind with a 4k roidlead?