Pay as you go - Motoring style

[Marilyn Manson]

Short range public transport is generally very good. (Particularly in London.)

But it cost me £100 for a return to London and a tube from Kings Cross to Liverpool Street. Am I the only person who thinks this is pure larceny?

[Phang]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Short range public transport is generally very good. (Particularly in London.)

But it cost me £100 for a return to London and a tube from Kings Cross to Liverpool Street. Am I the only person who thinks this is pure larceny?

would have been less if you'd booked things in advance or had a railcard i tend to suspect.

[Marilyn Manson]

That makes it even worse.

[LHC]

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

The easiest way to generate money would be to legalise all drugs, and tax them like we do smoking. It would reduce crime as well as improve the quality of drug people take, so less druggies would get bad shit.

This is a thread about car related costs and road congestion

[Emperor Rozenski]

If I'm not mistaken we've just had a general election a month ago, where was this in the Labour Manifesto? Save the unpopular polices for after the election, eh? I wonder what else they have in store for us in the comming years.

This whole idea is silly, people have to drive when there is no feasible alternative and for professions that require people to travel many tens of thousands of miles a year this is going to really hit margins.

I also have to wonder what this will cost to set up? If a small plastic ID card is going to cost us all 80 quid, how much is a 'black box' each and the satellites to track tens of millions of journeys a day going to cost us!?

I'm firmly with the 'get rid of Road Tax and tax fuel more' crowd, it just makes far more sense. This is despite the fact that I only do about 3000 miles a year so would probabally be better off under the new proposals, but for most people this proposal is going to be a kick in the teeth.

Congestion can't be helped, if you work in the city you have to travel there and you're not going to go by public transportation unless you're a total mentalist. You can't penilise people for going to work now can you? - The same people who prop up the country by paying income tax. Perhaps a better solution would be to look at the businesses themselves, offer tax breaks to businesses that implement schemes such as home working etc. to encourge them to get their staff off of the peak hour roads.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

But it cost me £100 for a return to London and a tube from Kings Cross to Liverpool Street. Am I the only person who thinks this is pure larceny?

When I travel between cities in the UK I often think it's over priced. But then again, how many people travel between Newcastle and London per day? Is it enough to sustain a regular, cheap service?

I'm sure there is an element of profiteering and bad management but it's quite possible that some routes simply do not have the passenger numbers to keep prices economic. I honestly don't know.

[acropolis]

hi dante

[midge5]

Originally Posted by Emperor Rozenski

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Congestion can't be helped, if you work in the city you have to travel there and you're not going to go by public transportation unless you're a total mentalist. You can't penilise people for going to work now can you? .

I'm not sure what other places are like but I know Cardiff centre as well as all the roads leading to and from it are a hell of a lot quieter during the school holidays. Walking to uni(and back in the afternoon) I will see huge queues most days, last week during half term there was practically nothing. My father can leave for work 15 minutes later during the summer holidays. As I am pretty sure we don't have that many teachers it suggests most of the congestion is actually caused by a shitload of people doing the schoolrun as they can't be arsed walking 10 minutes to school.

[Bodders]

Originally Posted by midge5

I'm not sure what other places are like but I know Cardiff centre as well as all the roads leading to and from it are a hell of a lot quieter during the school holidays. Walking to uni(and back in the afternoon) I will see huge queues most days, last week during half term there was practically nothing. My father can leave for work 15 minutes later during the summer holidays. As I am pretty sure we don't have that many teachers it suggests most of the congestion is actually caused by a shitload of people doing the schoolrun as they can't be arsed walking 10 minutes to school.

The school run is a major of cause of traffic in Bristol too. Last week the Park and Ride bus i catch got me to work in 20 mins normally takes 40 during term time.

[All Systems Go]

Originally Posted by midge5

I'm not sure what other places are like but I know Cardiff centre as well as all the roads leading to and from it are a hell of a lot quieter during the school holidays. Walking to uni(and back in the afternoon) I will see huge queues most days, last week during half term there was practically nothing. My father can leave for work 15 minutes later during the summer holidays. As I am pretty sure we don't have that many teachers it suggests most of the congestion is actually caused by a shitload of people doing the schoolrun as they can't be arsed walking 10 minutes to school.

that's why you get fat kids.

Fewer cars on the road = less fat people

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

oh and im not alone in this.


The car is here to stay so why do they insist on making it difficult for people to use it?
why not embrace it


Motorists drive this shitty ass economy and they are the ones who are penalised and told they are 'evil hate mongers' for destroying the environment.....

oh honey.

[Emperor Rozenski]

Originally Posted by midge5

I'm not sure what other places are like but I know Cardiff centre as well as all the roads leading to and from it are a hell of a lot quieter during the school holidays. Walking to uni(and back in the afternoon) I will see huge queues most days, last week during half term there was practically nothing. My father can leave for work 15 minutes later during the summer holidays. As I am pretty sure we don't have that many teachers it suggests most of the congestion is actually caused by a shitload of people doing the schoolrun as they can't be arsed walking 10 minutes to school.

Yeah, half/enfd of term is great in Basingstoke too, the roads are dead and getting to to office is a far more pleasant journey, but you have to look at the school holidays in perspective. A lot less parents are going to work during the school hols as they'll be on leave to look after the kids, so it's not just the school run traffic that's off of the roads, but lots of office working parents too, who'd still be driving to work normally even if their kids walked to school. Still, we'd see some impact if kids were made to walk, just not as big an impact as a half/end of term, I walked to school and it never did me any harm!

[JammyJim]

Originally Posted by Emperor Rozenski

If I'm not mistaken we've just had a general election a month ago, where was this in the Labour Manifesto? Save the unpopular polices for after the election, eh? I wonder what else they have in store for us in the comming years.

This whole idea is silly, people have to drive when there is no feasible alternative and for professions that require people to travel many tens of thousands of miles a year this is going to really hit margins.

I also have to wonder what this will cost to set up? If a small plastic ID card is going to cost us all 80 quid, how much is a 'black box' each and the satellites to track tens of millions of journeys a day going to cost us!?

I'm firmly with the 'get rid of Road Tax and tax fuel more' crowd, it just makes far more sense. This is despite the fact that I only do about 3000 miles a year so would probabally be better off under the new proposals, but for most people this proposal is going to be a kick in the teeth.

Congestion can't be helped, if you work in the city you have to travel there and you're not going to go by public transportation unless you're a total mentalist. You can't penilise people for going to work now can you? - The same people who prop up the country by paying income tax. Perhaps a better solution would be to look at the businesses themselves, offer tax breaks to businesses that implement schemes such as home working etc. to encourge them to get their staff off of the peak hour roads.

holy **** no
tax fuel more!?

do you mean increase it to 99% duty or something from its already collosal amount. Why not just raise it to a quid a litre. I mean its hovering around 90p already. Infact why not just £2

that way we can punish the evil motorist whos taxes pay for everything but the road infrastructure. Whos cars pollute the atmosphere (when commercial jets do the same but a trillion times worse...or even intensive farming and industry)

Maybe we could make every road a toll road too. Just so we can make absolutely 100% sure that anyone wanting to do more than 50 miles a year can get clobbered to such a degree that everyone has to take out a second mortgage every couple of years just to be able to afford to commute.

With all the money thats raised we can spend it on things like Education and Health.....except that noone will be able to get to school because of the cost and even if they did goto school whats the point in getting a job when everyones paying out 20 grand a year in car costs.


goddamnit

i ****ing hate this anti car propaganda shit stirring hippy crap

The car is here to stay.
The motorist is the single most important aspect of this economy. Without haulage firms, without sales reps, without the multitude of other workers who rely and depend upon transport in a car to do their job this entire economy would collapse. But wait....instead of saying 'thanks' to these people...why dont we just slap them with more and more stealth taxes because of course....noone is ever, ever ever gonig to say 'thats it...ive had enough....**** it......' everyone is going to think 'fs' and continue to fill up for 2£ a litre and continue to pay the hideously expensive road tax ontop of the overpriced insurance for cars that cost more than anywhere else in europe.


oh how i love living in rip off britain.


HUZZAH

[Cannon_Fodder]

yu go gurl!

[Phang]

in this thread JJ clamps his hands over his ears and denies the existence of buses

[JammyJim]

buses are shit
they smell
they are expensive
they dont take me precisely where i want to go; only to a vague area close to my destination
You cannot carry anything of value on a bus for fear of having it nicked
you cannot bring back anything heavy on a bus because its too difficult to get it in and out plus theres lots of walking involved.

you cannot listen to your own music
you cannot set the temperature to what you want it to be
they never arrive on time
they never appear when you really need one

they are more expensive to travel on than a car for any kind of distance


This is why buses are infact : shit

[Phang]

yes, perhaps.



but thing is, we kinda need all that oil

[Emperor Rozenski]

JJ, I'm not saying the motorist should pay more, I'm suggesting they shift road tax on to fuel, keeping the net avearge cost to operate your car the same.

Avg annual road tax is £120
Avg annual mileage is 12000
avg car 30 mpg

An extra 30 pence a gallon, 6.6 pence on a litre would suffice.

Instead of administration costs for 2 systems, only 1 is required. Not that we'd see the saving but if the government is making more from this saving they're not taxing us more for it.

You also get the extra revenue from those tens of thousands of people who drive without paying road tax, this way their car goes dry if they choose not to pay and they'll be walking everywhere.

This system would be far fairer than punishing people because they have to drive on certain types of road, what you pay is directly related to how far you drive regardless of the roads you drive on, can you get much fairer than that? If you choose a car that swollows fuel like it's going out of fashion you will pay more, which is what the government wants from an environmental protection point of view. Charging a 6 litre 4x4 the same as a 1 litre metro for using the motorway doesn't make sense from an environmental impact and congestion point of view if we really believe these are the goverments true motoves for change.

[LHC]

Originally Posted by Phang

yes, perhaps.



but thing is, we kinda need all that oil

yeah, for cars

[JammyJim]

Originally Posted by Emperor Rozenski

JJ, I'm not saying the motorist should pay more, I'm suggesting they shift road tax on to fuel, keeping the net avearge cost to operate your car the same.

Avg annual road tax is £120
Avg annual mileage is 12000
avg car 30 mpg

An extra 30 pence a gallon, 6.6 pence on a litre would suffice.

Instead of administration costs for 2 systems, only 1 is required. Not that we'd see the saving but if the government is making more from this saving they're not taxing us more for it.

You also get the extra revenue from those tens of thousands of people who drive without paying road tax, this way their car goes dry if they choose not to pay and they'll be walking everywhere.

This system would be far fairer than punishing people because they have to drive on certain types of road, what you pay is directly related to how far you drive regardless of the roads you drive on, can you get much fairer than that? If you choose a car that swollows fuel like it's going out of fashion you will pay more, which is what the government wants from an environmental protection point of view. Charging a 6 litre 4x4 the same as a 1 litre metro for using the motorway doesn't make sense from an environmental impact and congestion point of view if we really believe these are the goverments true motoves for change.

the likelyhood of a proper changeover that actually works out precisely the same as funding the car via roadtax is minimal.

Inevitable because its a 'confusing' subject and 'maths' is required to do some basic addition the tax would be somewhat larger than the roadtax equivalent.

if you see what i mean.

[Phang]

Originally Posted by LHC

yeah, for cars

no, for buses for longer

[Yahwe]

we could abolish privately owned cars

replacing them with a state funded taxi service which provided cars for specified necessary journeys. all those journeys which benefit the economy.

we would get rid of non essential travel

we would also reduce congestion by having fewer cars. and we could protect the environment by using more ecologically friendly vehicles than those frequently chosen by the public.

it's a 'win win'

PS we'd also be able to save jobs at the bbc because sacking that twat clarkson would free up more cash.

[NEWSBOT3]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

PS we'd also be able to save jobs at the bbc because sacking that twat clarkson would free up more cash.

I'm with you on that, the man is an utter buffoon.

[Super]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

The car is here to stay.
The motorist is the single most important aspect of this economy. Without haulage firms, without sales reps, without the multitude of other workers who rely and depend upon transport in a car to do their job this entire economy would collapse. But wait....instead of saying 'thanks' to these people...why dont we just slap them with more and more stealth taxes because of course....noone is ever, ever ever gonig to say 'thats it...ive had enough....**** it......' everyone is going to think 'fs' and continue to fill up for 2£ a litre and continue to pay the hideously expensive road tax ontop of the overpriced insurance for cars that cost more than anywhere else in europe.


oh how i love living in rip off britain.


HUZZAH

What good are cars if the roads are going to be gridlocked all day long in the future? More and more people are driving, and more and more people are going on pointless journeys that could easily be done via public transport or even walking. They have pretty much no choice in the matter - they either make it expensive now and try to fix it, or leave it until trips in cars take 2+ hours more than normal. And if that happened, you'd whine like a bitch that they didn't do anything about it.

[Proteus]

The sooner flying cars are invented the better.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

they [buses] are more expensive to travel on than a car for any kind of distance

Not if they put petrol prices up enough, and this is exactly their point.

I don't see why we (in the short term) can't just increase fuel prices dramatically but then exempt commercial road vehicles to an extent. So truckers wouldn't need to pay, buses wouldn't need to pay, but some fat shit who can't be bothered to walk down the high street would pay.

The issue is not just that oil will run out (in theory, market adjustments should change prices enough to allow for that - although that remains to be seen) but that pollution creates certain externalities which market mechanisms do not currently include in their pricing structure. Yes, commercial jets pollute as well, but we should be worrying about that too.

There's also issues of congestion, but once you have adequate bus lanes I'm not sure I care about that. If car journies become sufficiently annoying I presume people won't want to travel by car anymore.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by Flavius

what difference will it make?

You won't need roads to travel in them, so congestion will practically cease to exist outside major cities.

(I would have thought that was obvious...)

[JammyJim]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Not if they put petrol prices up enough, and this is exactly their point.

I don't see why we (in the short term) can't just increase fuel prices dramatically but then exempt commercial road vehicles to an extent. So truckers wouldn't need to pay, buses wouldn't need to pay, but some fat shit who can't be bothered to walk down the high street would pay.

The issue is not just that oil will run out (in theory, market adjustments should change prices enough to allow for that - although that remains to be seen) but that pollution creates certain externalities which market mechanisms do not currently include in their pricing structure. Yes, commercial jets pollute as well, but we should be worrying about that too.

There's also issues of congestion, but once you have adequate bus lanes I'm not sure I care about that. If car journies become sufficiently annoying I presume people won't want to travel by car anymore.

What about the people who want to travel 200 miles one way to get to a client or even to visit their granny.

Do you suggest these people walk or catch the bus/train too? With the huge amount of expensive equipment they have to carry around.

IT doesnt matter how you look at this. Business relies on the car.
Business needs the car.

Increasing costs increases cost for many businesses which barely survive as it is.

What good are cars if the roads are going to be gridlocked all day long in the future? More and more people are driving, and more and more people are going on pointless journeys that could easily be done via public transport or even walking. They have pretty much no choice in the matter - they either make it expensive now and try to fix it, or leave it until trips in cars take 2+ hours more than normal. And if that happened, you'd whine like a bitch that they didn't do anything about it.
7 Jun 2005 21:12

Build more roads. Widen existing roads. Fix old crappy roads that people dont use because they are old and crappy. Invest time in promoting car sharing schemes and increase incentives to do so.

[roadrunner_0]

you know... the car my wife has gets nearly 60 miles to the gallon... if more cars were this economical can you imagine the savings we could make anyway?

[SYMM]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

The car is here to stay.
The motorist is the single most important aspect of this economy. Without haulage firms, without sales reps, without the multitude of other workers who rely and depend upon transport in a car to do their job this entire economy would collapse. But wait....instead of saying 'thanks' to these people...why dont we just slap them with more and more stealth taxes because of course....noone is ever, ever ever gonig to say 'thats it...ive had enough....**** it......' everyone is going to think 'fs' and continue to fill up for 2£ a litre and continue to pay the hideously expensive road tax ontop of the overpriced insurance for cars that cost more than anywhere else in europe.

Or, how about, people who do actually need their own transport, and so will have it paid for by a company (salesmen, cargo-transport et al) use the roads, while people who just think they are too good for public transport and/or walking, get their cars off the roads. The roads would be less congested, which would mean vehicles can get places quicker, so in fact helping the economy.
If people like you would rather pay the increased costs than save money (and the environment) by taking public transport, then more fool them.

[JammyJim]

Not everyone works for multinational corporations capable of funding huge increases in the cost of travel. Are you suggesting small business should just shut down or get its employees to walk everywhere?

Symm. Your talking like a hippy with the environment. Everyone knows that Cars do not make the same kind of impact that a million and one other things we do on earth does. They are victimised by hippy fringe groups because its an easy target.

[midge5]

Originally Posted by SYMM

Or, how about, people who do actually need their own transport, and so will have it paid for by a company (salesmen, cargo-transport et al) use the roads,.

There are plenty of businesses who cannot afford to buy their employees cars but it is still a requirement. I would imagine for larger firms as well, having to find cars for all their employees would a fortune and be a good deterrant to investing here.

while people who just think they are too good for public transport and/or walking, get their cars off the roads

There are undoubtedly people who could take public transport more often but you make it seem like you want everyone off the road. There are plenty of areas which that just isn't feasible. It costs me three times as much to get the train home as it does to drive, takes me twice as long, I can't take any of my things home with me as there is then no bus at the other end which goes near my house (and the bus station is a decent distance from the train station anyway). If I tried to get the bus originally it takes 4 times as long, costs the same and I still can't take anything home.

It may be okay for some things but anytime you want to transport more than a few items I find public transport useless.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

IT doesnt matter how you look at this. Business relies on the car.
Business needs the car.

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

I don't see why we (in the short term) can't just increase fuel prices dramatically but then exempt commercial road vehicles to an extent

By commercial I meant "engaged in commercial activities".

And it's quite possible that you could have an allowance for disabled people or something. As for travelling 200 miles to see your grandmother - this is unfortunate but you could always move.

[SYMM]

There are undoubtedly people who could take public transport more often but you make it seem like you want everyone off the road. There are plenty of areas which that just isn't feasible. It costs me three times as much to get the train home as it does to drive, takes me twice as long, I can't take any of my things home with me as there is then no bus at the other end which goes near my house (and the bus station is a decent distance from the train station anyway). If I tried to get the bus originally it takes 4 times as long, costs the same and I still can't take anything home.

JJ in his comment above missed the obvious point, Dante pointed it out. You have now done likewise.
IF (is that quite enough emphasis?) the price of travelling by car were higher, then would you not use the train/coach? If not, then fine. You would be free to use a car, you would just have to pay for it. If you're happy with paying, then there is no problem. If you can't/won't pay, then you'll have to travel by other means.

Business-person travelling 200 miles to visit a client. Bill them for the journey, simple (either directly, or in the case of sales/tendering, include it in the eventual costs). If there's a competitor who can charge less, then copy whatever they're doing that allows them to (phonecall/video-conference/whatever if it's possible)

[Ste]

if you're travelling 200 miles to visit a grandma and you want a cheaper jouney it's simple - buy a more economical car.
Extra tax on petrol makes everything simple:
It costs more to do a mile in a city than it does to do a mile on the motorway. Perfect.
SUV's get taxed more because they use more petrol. Excellent.
Boy racers can't afford to buy petrol to drive round in round town centres for hours in stupidly inefficient cars - WINNER

If you're doing work for a business then you can claim the tax back anyway.

[JammyJim]

but economical cars are slow and boring or they are smelly and diesel :-(((((

[midge5]

Originally Posted by SYMM

IF (is that quite enough emphasis?) the price of travelling by car were higher, then would you not use the train/coach? If not, then fine. You would be free to use a car, you would just have to pay for it. If you're happy with paying, then there is no problem. If you can't/won't pay, then you'll have to travel by other means.

Yes but you seem to ignoring the fact that for a lot of journeys public transport is totally out of the question yet there are plenty of people who are already close to the breadline who simply couldn't afford to pay more yet have to make these journeys. For one simple example, which I realise isn't representative of most areas. Rhondda Fach, the hills are too steep for buses to go up and the valley is too narrow for a train service to come anywhere near the furthest end. Yet this is also one of the poorest areas in the UK. Anyone living on the main road would be okay catching a bus, there are plenty of people living up these steep hills who are to ill(one of the largest long term ill rates in the UK and rated as one of the sickest areas) and/or old to walk to the shops and would struggle to carry a bag of shopping up the hill.

There will be plenty of other places across the UK who will be in a similar situation where even for people just trying to do normal things even a small increase in the price of petrol which they need to use regularly would make a huge difference.

This will obviously depend on how much you increase the taxes on cars but some people seem to have suggests some hefty increases on fuel tax which I think would make most of this applicable.

Business-person travelling 200 miles to visit a client. Bill them for the journey, simple (either directly, or in the case of sales/tendering, include it in the eventual costs). If there's a competitor who can charge less, then copy whatever they're doing that allows them to (phonecall/video-conference/whatever if it's possible)

Again, what about small businesses? You could have two smallish ones who are dealing with each other, neither of whom can afford the cost. I know there are plenty of shops, pubs and rugby clubs all over South Wales, not just the valleys, who are already barely making a profit, if they even manage that. If a brewer, or any of the other person they had to deal with passed on the cost to them they would go under. Then if the smaller firms they deal with kept it themselves they also may find it the difference between surviving, while larger firms like the brewer would more than likely be forced to start sacking people.

If you're doing work for a business then you can claim the tax back anyway.

Even if you let all businesses claim back all of the costs that would be a nightmare to administer and make it extremely easy to avoid. Most people would be claiming back the majority of their journeys claiming they were businesses trips.I would guess the cost of implementing this and checking up on people as well as all the extra paperwork that firms will have to fill out when most are already dealing with way more than they should.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by midge5

Again, what about small businesses? You could have two smallish ones who are dealing with each other, neither of whom can afford the cost. I know there are plenty of shops, pubs and rugby clubs all over South Wales, not just the valleys, who are already barely making a profit, if they even manage that. If a brewer, or any of the other person they had to deal with passed on the cost to them they would go under. Then if the smaller firms they deal with kept it themselves they also may find it the difference between surviving, while larger firms like the brewer would more than likely be forced to start sacking people.

Once upon a time a Conservative would have opted to let unsustainable communities die.

[TheShadowMan]

I think there is an easier way of lowering the car owning population in the UK. Follow Irelands car insurance business plans.

If you are on a provisional licence your insurance for the first year is about 6500 - 7500 euros. That for most puts people off driving until they are mid career and able to afford it

My insurance costs more than my car is worth!

tsm

[JammyJim]

the fact that my crazy irish friend is insured in ireland to drive by herself as a learner leads me to believe that irish insurance is not the best of ideas.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Ste

If you're doing work for a business then you can claim the tax back anyway.

No you don't. You can claim VAT back, but not fuel duty.

[midge5]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Once upon a time a Conservative would have opted to let unsustainable communities die.

I still would. Many in this area have died with. If it is government policies which cause them to die though then I think the government should try to rectify the problem. I'm don't quite think this situation is that extreme though.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

but economical cars are slow and boring or they are smelly and diesel :-(((((

all cars are boring.

If only you weren't so psycologically backward you might be able to realise that and stop looking like a fool.

P.S. name me one living hippy that anyone actually listens to.
P.P.S because I can name one car obsessed chap with the mental age of 5 who is genuinely convinced that his car is the sum total of his value and worth.

[JonnyBGood]

Vroom vroom.

[Ste]

Originally Posted by Stew

No you don't. You can claim VAT back, but not fuel duty.

yeh i realised that after I wrote it.
Change 'can' for 'could'

[lokken]

I don't think anyone is saying abolish the car.

just get rid of the millions of unnecessary journeys which could feasibly be replaced by walking/public transport/school bus provision etc.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Vroom vroom.

Care for a ride in my little tank?

[SYMM]

Rhondda Fach, the hills are too steep for buses to go up and the valley is too narrow for a train service to come anywhere near the furthest end. Yet this is also one of the poorest areas in the UK. Anyone living on the main road would be okay catching a bus, there are plenty of people living up these steep hills who are to ill(one of the largest long term ill rates in the UK and rated as one of the sickest areas) and/or old to walk to the shops and would struggle to carry a bag of shopping up the hill.

There will be plenty of other places across the UK who will be in a similar situation where even for people just trying to do normal things even a small increase in the price of petrol which they need to use regularly would make a huge difference.

It's like banging my head against a brick wall.
With the proposed idea, where in the country you drive will have an impact on the price. In all likelihood, such a remote place will be really cheap to drive through. It's not going to be £1.50/mile throughout the country.

[midge5]

Originally Posted by SYMM

It's like banging my head against a brick wall.
With the proposed idea, where in the country you drive will have an impact on the price. In all likelihood, such a remote place will be really cheap to drive through. It's not going to be £1.50/mile throughout the country.

If you notice in my post I actually mentioned this would more than likely only be applicable to the situations where people where suggesting fairly large increases in fuel tax.

Even in your situation there was no guarantee that fuel and road tax would be abolished so there is probably a good chance this will be on top of that. Therefore everything I said still applies even if it is only a smallish amount.

[Boogster]

Until public transport is a feasible alternative to private means of travel, this is absurd.