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Unread 10 Jul 2006, 21:01   #1
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Tory Immigration Policy

I was reading a comment piece in the Guardian today[1] that mentioned the tories are to soften their views on immigration. I hadn't heard anything about this, so tried to discover more but the BBC website failed me, and the first story I came across was from the mail[2], which began:
"Britain 'suffering' because of immigration, say Tories"...not exactly promising. 'The Tory Diary' was another site carrying the story, and it provides quite a concise summary of where the mail and the Times agree.
I don't really think a discussion on the merits of the policy will lead anywhere interesting, but the differeing angles taken on the announcments intrigued me slightly. It seems to me that they're attempting to make sure immigration remains some kind of issue, without going as far as campaigns did under Howard, and with the Mail and a Guardian columnist both seeming happy/pleased with the news, they seem to have succeeded.

As an aside, Ms. Russell mentions in passing an amnesty on un-registered/illegal immigrants currently in the country, as a possible solution to the problem of such people being exploited amongst other things. How could this be a bad thing?



[1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...816888,00.html
[2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...70&expand=true
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Unread 10 Jul 2006, 21:32   #2
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Re: Tory Immigration Policy

the immigration could be overwhelmed and collapse? It's not got the resources to deal with the current influx let alone trying to process another half-a-million as well.

there's always the possibility that a lot of illigal immigrants won't register with an amnesty thinking it is a trick by the government or somesuch.
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Re: Tory Immigration Policy

Is it good that political parties adapt their policies to win votes? I suppose on a basic level it reflects those parties "listening to the people" but it seems that the real result is that we get a blur between the two main parties. The constant shift in positioning is hardly a display of any integrity either. What is the status of those that identify most closely to either side? Old Labour has been swept away, what now of the Conservatives - are the old vampires really pulling the strings, or is their ideology slowly being eroded too? I don't really want any involvement in these debates any longer.
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Re: Tory Immigration Policy

Frankly I don't care what their immigration policy is, I'm voting for them next time for 2 reasons:
1) They promise to scrap ID cards
2) They're less authoritarian than Blair.

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Re: Tory Immigration Policy

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As an aside, Ms. Russell mentions in passing an amnesty on un-registered/illegal immigrants currently in the country, as a possible solution to the problem of such people being exploited amongst other things. How could this be a bad thing?
Ending the exploitation of any group of people is a good thing. However, with imigration policy you also have to worry about whether amnesty will encourge an even larger group of undocumented individuals to come in and be exploited. Does the amnesty make things better or worse?
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Ending the exploitation of any group of people is a good thing. However, with imigration policy you also have to worry about whether amnesty will encourge an even larger group of undocumented individuals to come in and be exploited. Does the amnesty make things better or worse?
Indeed. Our one-time amnesty in 1986 was so popular that we're now debating our sixth (or is it the seventh?) amnesty program.

<yoda>If once you start down the amnesty path, forever will it dominate your immigration policies</yoda>
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Re: Tory Immigration Policy

Please, what do you expect from a country with only two parties.

It´s like the US. Why vote, it´s not like you have a real choice anyway. One will shift towards the other, the other will try to get back on the one. And in the mean time, the voter is dazzled with terms that supposedly tickle their interest or that ties in to their needs at that moment.

Whoever will win, it will not fix any problem you may have today. I SWEAR.
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