EU Vote - How Will You Vote?

[Dark-Strider]

Was just wondering how your going to vote?
This refers to UK Citizens only I guess.

I persoanlly will vote NO! as I don't like our economy being controlled by Brussels.

So ill be like De Gaulle Giving Britain a response to their apllication to the EEC.

A big Non!

P.S I was trying to make a Poll of this, but I can't find the option ( yes I am dumb :/ )

[Zharkov]

I will vote yes becuse I think you are wrong.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Dark-Strider

I persoanlly will vote NO! as I don't like our economy being controlled by Brussels.

So ill be like De Gaulle Giving Britain a response to their apllication to the EEC.
( yes I am dumb :/ )

Rolling On The Floor Laughing. Seriously man you should probably look up what you're voting about

[Vaio]

If there is a f'k no option I will take that, if not a straight, boring no will suffice

Vaio

[queball]

Originally Posted by Zharkov

I will vote yes becuse I think you are wrong.

Then I'll vote no because I don't think that's very nice of you.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by queball

Then I'll vote no because I don't think that's very nice of you.

I'll vote yes using my alternate persona Gordon Brown

[Proteus]

I'll vote whichever way Boris Johnson votes, because he's great.

[midge5]

I intend to vote no at the moment unless something drastic happens before then.

[Dace]

A VOTE FOR YES IS A VOTE FOR HITLER!

[Lupin]

hwody my trollianic brother.

[the_dastardley_chihuahua]

dunno, the eu at the moment is pretty wanky. i mean im all for european integration etc. but not in this current form. so yeah, i'll only vote yes if the cnstitution drastically changes things (like the democratic aspect) but if it doesnt, i wont. so probably 'no'

[Apothos]

The constitution referendum? I'll vote yes and hope the turn-out is as low as in our general elections so the yes vote has a chance against the tabloid-fueled mass-hysteria of the no vote.

[1-X]

yeah, vote "yes" if only to distance yourself from belonging to that hideous collective of "no" voters. (eg. there was a hilarious woman on TV the other day objecting to immigrants because of the increased risk of aids and "they'll stand in groups, smoking".)

The way I see it, Britain is basically shit atm. We can say yes, see if things improve as a result, and you know what?, if it doesn't, we can change our minds! :eek: The alternative is to say no on the advice of morons,xenophobes and those with vested interests in maintaining the status quo.

I've read the draft constitution (admittedly I skimmed an awful lot of it) but saw nothing that I objected to, in fact by the time they've finished amending it, it will be watered down to the point of meaninglessness. (is that a word? it's late.) Anyway, I can't see it making much difference to our everyday lives.

We've had 200 years of free trade, freedom of movement, common defence policy etc. We call it the United Kingdom. What's an eventual federal (eek, I said the f word) europe if not basically a larger version of what we already have?

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by 1-X

(eg. there was a hilarious woman on TV the other day objecting to immigrants because of the increased risk of aids and "they'll stand in groups, smoking".)

[newt]

anyone who votes yes should be hung, drawn and quatered - kept alive on intensive care, and have the same repeated to them once every 10yrs.

At the end of the day its quite simple - patriots will never vote yes (even if they're in for quite a beneficial financial gain, most will say no). Anyone that isn't a patriot should be kicked out or done for treason. Would be nice to see some public hangings, especially of half of the posters on this forum.

[Marilyn Manson]

It'll depend on what the final draft of The Constitution is like. Obviously, the problem in voting 'No' is that your quite moderate opinion will be hijacked by anti-EU extremists into a 'Get Britain out!' statement, when in fact I'd be voting simply on the basis of thinking that the Constitution is shit.

tbh, that would probably be the main factor if I should vote 'yes'.

[wu_trax]

will you leave completly if the no-side wins? id guess that would be best, because an eu with 25 members and without a constitution wont be manageable in any form and things will only become worse.

[Marilyn Manson]

No. If there is a no vote, then a compromise will be found.

[wu_trax]

that damn thing already is a compromise, thats why it took x years to work it out.

[Marilyn Manson]

Only based on the input of respresentatives of the interested parties, not the member states directly.

[MrL_JaKiri]

The EU constitution isn't just a collection of vague statements now?

Originally Posted by Proteus

I'll vote whichever way Boris Johnson votes, because he's great.

He's a right bastard.

[Stew]

This makes me laugh - have any of you actually got any idea whats in the constitution? No didnt think so (well ok a couple of you will!)

Its not in Europe/not in Europe.

Also - someone said Europes all disentangled or something like that - thats the whole point of the constitution

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

He's a right bastard.

He was funny on HIGNFY.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Stew

This makes me laugh - have any of you actually got any idea whats in the constitution? No didnt think so (well ok a couple of you will!)

Probably a higer proportion of people here know what's in it than a random sampling of the general populace.

[Phang]

Originally Posted by Proteus

He was funny on HIGNFY.

his dad was better.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The EU constitution isn't just a collection of vague statements now?
.

Its pretty much the same as the soviet union one; I actually find their charter of 'fundamental rights' physically disgusting to read.

And I probably wont vote, but if I had to I'd vote no.

[lokken]

If a 'no' vote means the utter euro sceptics see it as an opportunity to pull us out of Europe, I would be tempted to vote yes purely to stop them, as EU is win as an idea, it's just not as well run as it should be.

If that's not the case, then i'll probably read it when they finally get out a proper draft. I reckon i'll probably vote no as some of the internal workings of the EU anger me as they stand currently, let alone when they get more power.

To be honest it's an utter shame that a large proportion people will be voting on what the euro sceptic half of the tories might do, rather than on the actual merit of the constitution.

[Proteus]

Does anyone know the current opinion poll statistics on the EU and related matters? (i.e. whether people think we should be in the EU, whether they think we should join the Euro, whether they think we should adopt the constitution, etc.)

[Stew]

If The Sun says vote no, then thats that.

[Lupin]

i am not good informed about the momentary developement of europe, but wouldnt be the EU Constitution a step to the "United States of Europe"?

[wu_trax]

Originally Posted by Lupin

i am not good informed about the momentary developement of europe, but wouldnt be the EU Constitution a step to the "United States of Europe"?

and that is bad because?
besides, as i understood it most things will (unfortunatly) still be decided by the national goverments and not by european institutions. it wont change that much

[Stew]

Originally Posted by wu_trax

it wont change that much

Just become more effective.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Proteus

Does anyone know the current opinion poll statistics on the EU and related matters? (i.e. whether people think we should be in the EU, whether they think we should join the Euro, whether they think we should adopt the constitution, etc.)

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ll-April04.htm

The ICM site is generally pretty tops when you want anytihng like this.

[wu_trax]

Originally Posted by Stew

Just become more effective.

hopefully... with 25 members you cant give every single state a veto-right. it would be impossible to make any decisions at all.

[Lupin]

Originally Posted by wu_trax

and that is bad because?
besides, as i understood it most things will (unfortunatly) still be decided by the national goverments and not by european institutions. it wont change that much

well i fully support the idea of an united europe.

[Nodrog]

Actually Ive just read the charter of rights again and I can honestly say that its one of the most genuinelly worthless documents ever produced by humanity.

[Lupin]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Actually Ive just read the charter of rights again and I can honestly say that its one of the most genuinelly worthless documents ever produced by humanity.

terrific argumentation

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Actually Ive just read the charter of rights again and I can honestly say that its one of the most genuinelly worthless documents ever produced by humanity.

I would tend to agree with this. I think they actually decided on it by adding up all current political opinions and getting rid of the ones that cancelled each other out.

[MrL_JaKiri]

The US constitution is actually really good.

But then what do you expect when it was written by someone who said things like

'The clergy believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against any form of tyranny known to the mind of man.'

[A2]

Originally Posted by Stew

If The Sun says vote no, then thats that.

Oh dear oh dear.

I'd be tempted to say that you have to take a 10 question multiplechoice test about the constitution on the ballot form. If you don't get more than 70 or 80% of them right, then you clearly don't know enough about it to vote so the actual vote is ignored. Would actually be a representative poll of the issue at stake though. You just know that UKIP would deliver a leaflet with all the questions and the correct answers to every house in the country though, even as far down to the "Do you want the constitution?" though :/

Originally Posted by Yes, Minister?

Sun readers don't care who runs the country as long as she's got big tits

[LHC]

Someone who wouldn't vote should vote on my behalf

[the_dastardley_chihuahua]

Originally Posted by Newt

At the end of the day its quite simple - patriots will never vote yes

hmm, given that patriots are mostly total spastics, you may well have convinced me to vote yes.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by the_dastardley_chihuahua

hmm, given that patriots are mostly total spastics, you may well have convinced me to vote yes.

It depends what definition of patriot you use, and whether you're going by self proclaimed patriots or not.

[Dace]

Originally Posted by Lupin

hwody my trollianic brother.

Hello.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Newt

Anyone that isn't a patriot should be kicked out or done for treason.

I want you to be tried for being a moronic arsehole. I know it isn't currently an offence, but I'm sure the legislation could be put in place, given time.

[Dace]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I want you to be tried for being a moronic arsehole. I know it isn't currently an offence, but I'm sure the legislation could be put in place, given time.

Homosexuality was illegal once and with any luck it will be again.

If i was you i'd keep my fag opinions to myself.

"Let's put the 'Great' back into Britain"

[queball]

Originally Posted by A2

Oh dear oh dear.

I'd be tempted to say that you have to take a 10 question multiplechoice test about the constitution on the ballot form. If you don't get more than 70 or 80% of them right, then you clearly don't know enough about it to vote so the actual vote is ignored. Would actually be a representative poll of the issue at stake though. You just know that UKIP would deliver a leaflet with all the questions and the correct answers to every house in the country though, even as far down to the "Do you want the constitution?" though :/

Yes, this is a perfectly sensible suggestion.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Dace

"Let's put the 'Great' back into Britain"

"Let's put the '**** off' back into '**** off you ignorant ****s.'"



btw i hear that kiddy slamming is already an offence so you hardly have much room to talk on the future of sexual legalities

[Dace]

A mere technicality.

[Jammers]

I'll vote no, though that depends very much on what the question is. If the question is "Do you not want Britain to sign the EU Constitution?" then I would probably vote yes.