Michael Jackson Eat your heart out

[Evergreen]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/3364117.stm

First attention seeking stunt of 2004 by a celebrity!

[Kurashima]

Irwin has always been a ****ing lunatic.

[Evergreen]

"It was a wonderful sensory experience for him. He dug it "

Terri, mother

So is his bish

[at0mic.c0w]

is there some sort of root-beer-shortage going on ?

[Androme]

He says the baby was never in danger

NEVER? Does he not understand what a crocodile is? May be he perceives them as toys too!

[at0mic.c0w]

Originally Posted by Androme2

NEVER? Does he not understand what a crocodile is? May be he perceives them as toys too!

my guess is that this guy knows more about crocodiles then most ppl and i'd rather take his word for it then jump on the bandwagon with a bunch of australian drunkards...

[Androme]

yeah but how many times has he come 'that' close to loosing a limb yet he keeps with the "I know what I'm doing"

[at0mic.c0w]

he hasn't lost one yet - that's enough for ME

[vampire_lestat]

drunkards are the most trustworthy people in life.

[Phil^]

i`m waiting for the day his luck runs out, then i shall shout " told you so " at the monitor at the web page i`m reading it on

[at0mic.c0w]

Originally Posted by vampire_lestat

drunkards are the most trustworthy people in life.

that doesn't mean they know what they are doing. they only think they do.

[Leshy]

Steve Irwin has dealt with dangerous animals for pretty much all of his life. His father probably raised Steve in a pretty similar matter as Steve is trying to raise his kid and teach them about animals. If anyone can make an estimation of the danger Steve is putting the baby in, then it'll be himself, both as the boy's father and an expert on dangerous animals. I'm pretty certain that if he felt there was too much risk, he'd not be taking his son near a crocodile.

This is all just an overblown "OMG STEVE TOOK HIS SON NEAR A RAGING HUNGRY AGGRESSIVE CROCODILE AND IT COULD HAVE EASILY GOTTEN EATEN IN ONE QUICK BITE STEVE IS A BAD PARENT" case, and is only interesting to the media because Steve happens to be a celebrity.

[Evergreen]

Leshy: The main thing that has to be said that while his parents were naturalists and saved it until 6 years old before 'endangering' his life by familiarising him with dangerous australian wildlife, they did so while not trying to make a quick buck in front of tonnes of press.

It's not only the danger that's outrageous about this article, it's also the fact he resorted to using his child to self-promote his name and career during a period of time where he is going through the post-saturation effects of his career niche being overexposed.

If he really wanted to teach his children about animals he could do so in private while not trying to court controversy, I'd seriously like to see the social services string him up to dry.

[MrPeach]

Originally Posted by Leshy

Steve Irwin has dealt with dangerous animals for pretty much all of his life. His father probably raised Steve in a pretty similar matter as Steve is trying to raise his kid and teach them about animals. If anyone can make an estimation of the danger Steve is putting the baby in, then it'll be himself, both as the boy's father and an expert on dangerous animals. I'm pretty certain that if he felt there was too much risk, he'd not be taking his son near a crocodile.

This is all just an overblown "OMG STEVE TOOK HIS SON NEAR A RAGING HUNGRY AGGRESSIVE CROCODILE AND IT COULD HAVE EASILY GOTTEN EATEN IN ONE QUICK BITE STEVE IS A BAD PARENT" case, and is only interesting to the media because Steve happens to be a celebrity.

But that is the point. He is a celebrity, and he did it for public display, wanting attention. That was the point that was being made, and the reaction, be it right or wrong was expected.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by MrPeach

But that is the point. He is a celebrity, and he did it for public display, wanting attention. That was the point that was being made, and the reaction, be it right or wrong was expected.

Steve gives public displays all the time. The fact that he took his child with him on one of them doesn't mean he is somehow exploiting the child in a dangerous situation for money.

I sincerely doubt he called all the newspapers to say "Come look when I dangle my baby near a crocodile" in order to be an attention whore.

[Evergreen]

Originally Posted by Leshy

Steve gives public displays all the time. The fact that he took his child with him on one of them doesn't mean he is somehow exploiting the child in a dangerous situation for money.

I sincerely doubt he called all the newspapers to say "Come look when I dangle my baby near a crocodile" in order to be an attention whore.

Refer to my post which was more specific.

[MrPeach]

Originally Posted by Leshy

Steve gives public displays all the time. The fact that he took his child with him on one of them doesn't mean he is somehow exploiting the child in a dangerous situation for money.

I sincerely doubt he called all the newspapers to say "Come look when I dangle my baby near a crocodile" in order to be an attention whore.

I bet he did.

Anyway, celebrities have a social responsibility not to be morons, it was obviously going to draw this kind of attention, a half eaten apple could see that... And yes, that should have stopped him doing it.

[Bloomers III]

it was irresponsible, i have no doubt in my mind his baby would have been safe, but maybe it will make some parents want to do the same. after all, this is australia

[Deffeh]

moron.com

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by Evergreen

Refer to my post which was more specific.

Does the article state anywhere that he set it up for the media? It only states he took his baby with him during one of his public shows - hell, it doesn't even say that it was during some sort of show, only that he did it en plein public. Besides, anyone thinking that they can do the same as someone who is an expert on his field and has a lifetime of experience, deserve to have their baby eaten.

[MrPeach]

But to say that it wasn't a public show would be outrageous.

He is one big act.

He is a sellout, anyone who makes a shitty film like that at such a point in a career, is clearly a sellout and deserves to be raped repeatedly by a kangaroo and a goat.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by MrPeach

But to say that it wasn't a public show would be outrageous.

Giving public shows in his zoo is pretty much what he does. It's very unlikely that this was some sort of special "Steve and the baby" show. He wanted his kid to see crocodiles up close, in both his and his wife's judgement there was little to no danger, and frankly I'd take their opinion over that of some random sensation journalist. As both the parents and experts in the field of reptile behaviour, they have every right to make that call. Exactly what qualifications does the journalist have?

He is a sellout

For wanting to share his passion with the rest of the world?

[KoeN]

didn't he name his other child to his favorite crocodile?
CRIKEY!

my hero! :P

[KoeN]

hey guys look what this snake does when i poke it with a big stick!

[Evergreen]

More stuff about Irwin being a sellout

A reporter from The Age in Melbourne questioned why Irwin had turned down an invitation to Bill Clinton's presidential farewell dinner. "Does it tell us more about Steve Irwin than he might want us to know?" he wrote. Irwin had "thick skin", the article went on to say. "There's no getting through to the heart or the soul. And let's not make the mistake of going for the head."

There were snide stories about Irwin's invitation to the Lodge for a fancy "partisan barbecue" Howard hosted for visiting US President George Bush, complete with snaky references to the $25,000 cost.

There were stories attacking Irwin's character. "For crocodile hunter Steve Irwin charity really does begin at home, with the millionaire 'donating' $175,000 to himself," began one story in The Courier-Mail in Brisbane. This $364 a minute of taxpayers' money was supposedly for "one day's work" shooting a quarantine awareness TV ad. The Federal Opposition and ABC Radio tried to whip up a crocodile-cash-for-comment scandal, linking the payment to Irwin's praise of the Prime Minister.

Finally, last week, Irwin was forced to defend himself, issuing a statement explaining the money was for a whole year's work on the quarantine campaign, not one day, and that he had given every cent to a new koala hospital at his Queensland zoo.


Paying Bill Hunter $250,000 for advertising the Keating Government's "Working Nation" was apparently not as bad in the eyes of the cultural establishment, or even worth mentioning.

[Jebodiah_Jones]

He's eating something/one out, but it isnt his heart LOL!

[djbass]

There's nothing more amusing than watching Poms making assumptions about Australia and it's related wildlife.

I'm also with Leshy on this one, the guy does crocodile shows everyday. It is his job, it's not uncommon for parents to want to take their children to work. He was just a proud father sharing an experience with his new son and while to the average pussy whinging about how reckless he was has never had genuine contact with a crocodile, Steve has had a lifetime of experience and knows what he's doing.

=[DJ Bass]=

[Jebodiah_Jones]

Originally Posted by djbass

Steve has had a lifetime of experience and knows what he's doing.

=[DJ Bass]=

Though accident will invariably happen.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by Jebodiah_Jones

Though accident will invariably happen.

Most accidents happen at home. One could say the child would have been a lot more unsafe at home than with his parents.

[Dante Hicks]

The best cure for attention whores isn't giving them attention.

[Dead_Meat]

I'm sure there are libraries of statistics that say dangling your baby above a crocodiles mouth is less dangerous, on a year by year basis, than them being killed by the wheel on their pram falling off and causing the pram to topple over a 1000ft cliff.

Prove me wrong...

[Evergreen]

Holding your breath* kills more people each year than anything else

*And forgetting to stop

[Baron Morte]

He could do whatever he want with that kid, just not in front of tha cameraz
it was a stupid move.

[MrPeach]

Originally Posted by Leshy

Giving public shows in his zoo is pretty much what he does. It's very unlikely that this was some sort of special "Steve and the baby" show. He wanted his kid to see crocodiles up close, in both his and his wife's judgement there was little to no danger, and frankly I'd take their opinion over that of some random sensation journalist. As both the parents and experts in the field of reptile behaviour, they have every right to make that call. Exactly what qualifications does the journalist have?

I have already said that I would agree that the baby perhaps was not in danger, my point was that it was an obvious reaction by the press. It's like waving your arms around over your head shouting "LOOK AT ME EVERYONE!".

[W]

Erm. "He can do whatever he wants, just not in front of a camera"?

Seriously, what a ****ed up statement. Why on earth should whether other people are watching make a shit of a difference on how he acts?

[MrPeach]

Originally Posted by W

Erm. "He can do whatever he wants, just not in front of a camera"?

Seriously, what a ****ed up statement. Why on earth should whether other people are watching make a shit of a difference on how he acts?

It was provoking a reaction. I don't personally care how he acts, and I wasn't saying he shouldn't have done it. However, I still maintain that it was an obvious reaction by the press and general public, and he was clearly asking for it.

It is obvious to most people that celebrities are in the spot light, and rightly or wrongly need to be careful what they do.

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by at0mic.c0w

is there some sort of root-beer-shortage going on ?

no, there was until i found out that ASDA sold it though

[Pyr0 MK III]

His baby would have been fine. Over reaction ++

[Baron Morte]

Originally Posted by MrPeach

It was provoking a reaction. I don't personally care how he acts, and I wasn't saying he shouldn't have done it. However, I still maintain that it was an obvious reaction by the press and general public, and he was clearly asking for it.

It is obvious to most people that celebrities are in the spot light, and rightly or wrongly need to be careful what they do.

Thank you
I did not think that such a statement would require an explanation...

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Baron Morte

Thank you
I did not think that such a statement would require an explanation...

I think it's a pretty irrelevent one, even in the normal course of things, but given that it wasn't a staged show for the press, just him doing something with his family that a person who was there at the time happened to have photographed, I think you're criticising him overly for something he didn't do, and wouldn't have been bad had he done it.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by MrPeach

It was provoking a reaction.

A reaction which equally could have been "Oh, look. Steve Irwin is a great parent for bringing his kid along to learn about the animals, letting the baby form a close relationship with nature." I doubt any of the people present and watching were shouting at Steve to get the baby out of the crocodile pen, but instead seeing Steve sharing his passion with his child. Commotion didn't start until some journalist who happened to witness the event turned it into a 'OMG Steve was dangling his baby a metre away from a hungry crocodile mouth!' story, turning the masses who don't take a minute to form their own opinion of things into a raging mob.

It is obvious to most people that celebrities are in the spot light, and rightly or wrongly need to be careful what they do.

Bollocks. Instead of hounding Steve for his actions, the one that should be under investigation is the journalist for turning a fairly unimportant event into a story basically accusing Steve and Terri of bad parenting.

[Cmdr_Cyrax]

[Obvious Siegfried & Roy; 'animals are always under control' reference]

[Dace]

Personally i think the kid was a bit young (you don't start having memories until you're like 2 or something so it was a "wasted experience") however i don't think what Irwin did was "wrong".

[Monkey_King]

I never put Steve down as a media whore
There is no faith left.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Monkey_King

I never put Steve down as a media whore
There is no faith left.

He's not; he DIDN'T INVITE THE PRESS ALONG