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Unread 21 Nov 2008, 22:28   #51
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

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That is the drawback of going to c200. I thought it was implied but apparently everything should be spelt out. Please also quote anyone in this post who has said that they would rather go to vacation mode then c200 if you are going to use that reason as well.
It has been known for a while. Why is this the first time it is being used?
Perhaps because it's too risky and not as beneficial as it first might seem.

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This should be critical, not personal attacks of not reading the posts before replying.
Sorry about that. I didn't mean to attack you personally. I just got the impression you hadn't read all the posts, or thought of all the facts.
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Unread 21 Nov 2008, 23:54   #52
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That is the drawback of going to c200. I thought it was implied but apparently everything should be spelt out. Please also quote anyone in this post who has said that they would rather go to vacation mode then c200 if you are going to use that reason as well. This should be critical, not personal attacks of not reading the posts before replying.
I would rather go into vacation mode than let myself get exiled to c200.
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Unread 21 Nov 2008, 23:57   #53
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

well, mz.

imagine like ronin some rounds ago, when he had that sick roidlead and value lead midround or so.

had he just been exiled out of gal, and waited it out in c200, and popped out at the last day to prod..surely he would have won
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

I don't see the problem.
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Unread 22 Nov 2008, 03:21   #55
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

maybe it shouldnt be possible the last 3-4 days of the round or so...

cept from that, me neither
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Unread 22 Nov 2008, 04:15   #56
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

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We're approaching that time again, and as usual we're removing vacation mode and disabling the free limits the last week of the round starting on Friday the 9th May. Anyone wishing to enter or stay in vacation mode after that should mail me at [email protected] explaining why they need to stay or be put into vacation.
As a note, the higher ranked you are the better your reason have to be, this is to avoid high ranked planets to "hide" and trying to preserve their rank.
Does the traffic to and from c200 also get 'shut down' at this stage?



ps: For some reason the link to quoted post doesn't work, this is from a post in Announcements called "The end is near" by passport
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

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I don't see the problem.
#1 planet in the universe has complete immunity? no problem at all, why dont we have next round where everyone has complete immunity all the time? that'll be fun.
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

its not a problem because unless he is exceptionally lucky he will have to spend an immense amount to get into a decent galaxy, afterall the greater your value the more costly it is, so he can either keep all his resources and have an immense exile cost except from the very smallest galaxys or else spend a large chunk of it getting his value/score down and then have a very limited amount left for exiles reducing his chance of ending up where he wants to be. And if he fails he will just be roided pretty quickly... he needs to stay there a long time to make it possibly worth while and the longer he stays the more likely others are to overtake him in roids.

perhaps there should be a limit on the amount of time you can spend in c200, otherwise I dont see too much of a problem. Its hardly very sporting but pa seems in large part to be about finding this kind of flaw in the design!

one question, I assume its not possible for ppl to cov op him in c200? I think it should be
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perhaps there should be a limit on the amount of time you can spend in c200
There is, if they stay there too long they get deleted...
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Unread 22 Nov 2008, 13:24   #60
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#1 planet in the universe has complete immunity? no problem at all, why dont we have next round where everyone has complete immunity all the time? that'll be fun.
Come up with real argument.
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There is, if they stay there too long they get deleted...
heh, I had forgotten about that, im obviously being nubish today

in which case I have no complaint... and I like the idea that if he leaves it for to long he will be deleted! particularly since it is not a massively long period, on the other hand could he simply not log in again and exile into c200 making it indefinate, or when you self exile are you automatically reentered into the universe without the chance to stay in c200 for another period? (sorry for more nubish questions, I have never self exiled so dont know)
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

The thing is, im not sure it takes someone extraordinarily lucky to get a decent gal out of c200 (unless I am) because that is exactly what happened to me when my old galaxy exiled me out. Admittedly, I was only in c200 for about 4 ticks because it happened while I was asleep, but I am now in a better galaxy than I have been all round.
Maybe its because I have known omb for so long, but I have no problem with this.
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

mz thinks is leet as he didnt think of doing it himself just like then greenhills won with cheatmode on
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About having yourself exiled to C200, i wish the player the best of luck (he will need it), since he takes grave risks.

It isnt forbidden, and why should it be? Searching my memory, i think that PA Team and/or Multihunters always have had the same policy: if you are using game features in an unexpected way, then you may, and next round it is coded out if PA Team considers the usage undesirable. If you abuse a BUG, it MAY be judged cheating, and might be treated as such (like the recall bug many many rounds ago)

And yes, you can probably find an example where PA Team acted differently, but this is the basic policy afaik
hm is it the same with the **** up going on atm too?
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There is, if they stay there too long they get deleted...
I was under the impression that paid planets are immune to being deleted by the ticker?
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

i thought they were allowed 1 week
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i thought they were allowed 1 week
The game status page says 14 days for inactive planets.
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

It's always the same, isn't it? Whining bitches who cry bloody murder because someone thought of a strategy which they were too stupid to think of themselves. What's there to do, but join the angry mob and look for witches? But there are no witches here. The only thing you're demonstrating is how pitifully insufficient you are. So go for it. Punish innovation. Let's keep this game nice and simple and single-tracked. God forbid all the time and effort you put in will only turn out to have been in vain when someone outsmarts you. You people are a plague on this game and we would be better off without you.
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It's always the same, isn't it? Whining bitches who cry bloody murder because someone thought of a strategy which they were too stupid to think of themselves. What's there to do, but join the angry mob and look for witches? But there are no witches here. The only thing you're demonstrating is how pitifully insufficient you are. So go for it. Punish innovation. Let's keep this game nice and simple and single-tracked. God forbid all the time and effort you put in will only turn out to have been in vain when someone outsmarts you. You people are a plague on this game and we would be better off without you.
Well, although I think you phrased it maybe a bit harsh I do agree with you on a core point that you make, namely that it is, taken into consideration the current game mechanics etc, a possibly brilliant way of securing income from a lot of roids. I think it is just that.
However, I think one question remains:
Do you want it to keep it as a viable/possible tactic for coming rounds?
I think the discussion should revolve around that question only. And the only ones who can answer that question would be PA-team.
What is your stance on that question, mz?
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That said, the disparity between vacation mode and c200 is a bit strange, since they amount to the same thing. It's probably a good idea to fix that, either by granting resources to planets in vacation mode, or by cutting off income to planets in c200. Personally, I prefer the first solution, as it opens up some fun options.
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It's always the same, isn't it? Whining bitches who cry bloody murder because someone thought of a strategy which they were too stupid to think of themselves. What's there to do, but join the angry mob and look for witches? But there are no witches here. The only thing you're demonstrating is how pitifully insufficient you are. So go for it. Punish innovation. Let's keep this game nice and simple and single-tracked. God forbid all the time and effort you put in will only turn out to have been in vain when someone outsmarts you. You people are a plague on this game and we would be better off without you.
The #1 planet having immunity is something to moan about? and really shouldnt happen.
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

alot of fuss over nothing.
in my eyes he won't gain much over exiling to c200
his roid lead isn't high enough.
if he comes back he has to be lucky to end in a top gal that is willing to defend him after using this tactic ( cause who is sure he won't do it again?).
then there is the fact that he might get 10 waved cause he hasn't had much support using this tactic from the universe.

personnally i like it, nice move, and creates some excitement.
but looking at his stats it wasn't the right time to do it.
his amount of factories is terribly low to outproduce anything, so it will all depend on how much his ally is willing to sacrifice deffleets on him.
unless he is aiming for a top 20 spot only.
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Unread 24 Nov 2008, 14:51   #73
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

he has been there for how long? 6 days? presumably he has already lost out on up to ~20 finance centres, he is letting the ppl with slower construction speed catch up
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

So pa team moved him *again* from c200.. and we just get informed they can't disclose any information. roflmao does make you wonder how much other shit the pa team does that's not as well watched.
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

There's only really 2 sides to this argument, One that this really shouldnt happen and its not the way c200 is intended to be used.. The other that c200 rules cant be changed as the majority of people in there are in c200 for legitimat reasons and shouldnt be punished (There's also people who are defending omb without really putting up an argument except 'omg you whiney people stop whining' but we'll ignore those).

The only real solution i can think of, is to have a resource handicap on c200 but a dynamic one which changes over time.. For instance:
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72 hours in c200: You keep 80% of resources.
etc.

So what happends is, the longer a planet is in c200.. the less resources they recieve. As the only reason for someone having prolonged time in c200 is bcus they are inactive/havent logged in... then this system would slowly turn there planet into 'vacation mode'. While legitiment users who have been galaxy exiled while offline will remain unpunished.

It would stop anything like this happening again, as he wouldnt gain anything except 24hours immunity, then he'd be forced to come out or the handicap would start to work against him.
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

Overly complicated.
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You think that every 24hours your in c200, your resource collection goes down by 10% overly complicated?
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

I tend to agree with mz, while a good idea in itself it is too complicated for how much c200 is used, as its mostly people who are going to be deleted anyway who are in c200 and less resources does not matter to them.

while it would deter what omb has been doing there is no reason why a flat rate would not be simpler and act as the same deterrence.
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I tend to agree with mz, while a good idea in itself it is too complicated for how much c200 is used, as its mostly people who are going to be deleted anyway who are in c200 and less resources does not matter to them.

while it would deter what omb has been doing there is no reason why a flat rate would not be simpler and act as the same deterrence.
a flat rate of what?
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

reduction of resources, rather than your variable rate.
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You think that every 24hours your in c200, your resource collection goes down by 10% overly complicated?
Either grant resources to planets in vacation mode, or don't grant resources to planets in c200. it's that simple. PA's fetish for uselessly complicated formulae is the stuff of legends.
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

you could also give resource for the first 24 ticks only
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

So. Anyone want to tell me what's going on here?

http://sandmans.co.uk/?p=tracker&x=&...&cury=2&curz=9
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

This way he can stay even longer in C200! Indeed mz...


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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

The story I've gathered unofficially is that some dude named 'shark' used some sort of admin ability to trigger a "bug" that affected only omb's planet and returned him to the universe without his knowledge. Several Ascendancy had already launched and I was eta 4 and clear myself when he was returned to C200 by Appocomaster and all fleets recalled. That's as much as I know and although I would like further details from PA Team but they have a habit of just closing irc windows rather than respond to me

I just hope that if Omb is present in C200 at PT793 he will be deleted like he is supposed to be, but I'm betting that won't happen now.
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only free accounts get deleted in c200? I don't know why he'd be deleted otherwise
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

This is the most retarded way to "play" PA I've ever seen.
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I wouldn't really classify it as playing!
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Actually support told me. Guess I really shouldn't listen to those guys, huh?
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Re: Cluster 200 ftw?

why don't apply same rules and options for planets exiled to C200 than if you hit vacation button? And return the planet to 'normal' universe when user logs in or delete planet after 14 days or what ever the timeline is if user doesn't login.

By that there wouldn't be any option to use C200 the way it was now used.
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