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[Marilyn Manson]

We bemoan the fact that we no longer have any fanatical, racist nujobs on GD whom we can all unite against.

[Ste]

*sigh* wherever did Warfalcon, Davinbrahm and Texan go?
Any other fanatical right-wing patriots disappeared?

[JammyJim]

they realised they were wrong....?

[the_dastardley_chihuahua]

i can be racist if you want me to

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

they realised they were wrong....?

Selfish ****s.

[acropolis]

what about me?

[Tactitus]

Trolling for trolls now?

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by acropolis

what about me?

I think you meant to post this in the 'Advice on achieving a normal life - for a better tommorow' forum.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Qds?

[edit]

The quiet man is back!

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The quiet man is back!

"IDS reported to have fled from his tomb; millions in panic." - Reuters.

[Marilyn Manson]

And QDS is a part-time bigot. We need proper maniacs.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Michael Howard has returned from the crypt, you think it'll happen to Iain and Duncan?

[pablissimo]

I think DM should be nominated to make a secret gimmick account that noone knows about oh shit I've given the game away now anyway it was a really good idea because I imagine that if he put his mind to it he could be quite the litte fanatic.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Michael Howard has returned from the crypt, you think it'll happen to Iain and Duncan?

I don't think Mr Duncan-Cough has the will to escape from the graveyeard tbh. He's finally found a group of people exactly like himself in temperament.

[acropolis]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I think you meant to post this in the 'Advice on achieving a normal life - for a better tommorow' forum.

as we have no such forum i assumed it fell under the wide umbrella that is "general"

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by acropolis

as we have no such forum

It's known colloquially as 'RP.'

[Stew]

Dont know what you mean

Times 2

[Marilyn Manson]

I'm filling in until we can find a replacement, you ****ing commie Euro-****.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

you ****ing commie Euro-****.

Say what!?
DO NOT CALL ME A COMMIE!
I'm a capitalist! (Not fully true but heh!)

[Dead_Meat]

Originally Posted by pablissimo

I think DM should be nominated to make a secret gimmick account that noone knows about oh shit I've given the game away now anyway it was a really good idea because I imagine that if he put his mind to it he could be quite the litte fanatic.

I need a gimmick account to do that, retard?

[Marilyn Manson]

If Dante can sparkle then I may land tonight.




btw, DM is a bald old man who wears brown trousers with white shits shirts and hits people with a walking stick. He also goes to the pub and the bookies and complains about the "kooks and pakis."

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Well if you dress as said little girl, you may well spark Dante's interest.

I have a beard of several days grwoth and am 6'4, and am wearing New Rocks.

How severe is Dante's visual impairement?

[Qdeathstar]

Im not a racist.... my best freind is a black man.... and he agrees with me on most of my views.... O.o

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Im not a racist.... my best freind is a black man.... and he agrees with me on most of my views.... O.o

I'm sorry, but I find 'I'm not a racist, I know many black people' or whatever highly amusing.

[Qdeathstar]

thats not what i said, i said my best friend is black.... O.o, in addition i belive in interacial marriages.. and affirmative action... so there.. (lol)

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

thats not what i said, i said my best friend is black.... O.o, in addition i belive in interacial marriages.. and affirmative action... so there.. (lol)

Affirmative Action/Positve Discrimination is a bad thing duder.

[Intrepid00]

Speaking of Commies, a guy use to come into the local Wal-Mart and wear a Commie hat that had the Sickle and Hammer and clearly could not speak English very well.

Quite funny.

[roadrunner_0]

affirmitive action and positive discrimination should be made illegal

[Intrepid00]

Yes, all animals should be fair game for my dinner plate. Why is that only the cute animals are safe. Screw that, I wanna eat some spotted owl. End discrimination of the ugly animals.

[Qdeathstar]

i actually agree that affirmitive action is bad... i just said it .... becuz.

[Evil Skragg]

If I dont like someone, its because they are a ****, not because of their religion or colour.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by roadrunner_0

affirmitive action and positive discrimination should be made illegal

It is illegal.

In this country at least (on the whole).

[Dante Hicks]

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...30&ItemID=4748

I don't particularly like the "alcohol (or drugs) use == lack of character" type argument though, although I see what he's getting at. Was Karl Marx of less character because he got drunk and challenged people to duels at times? Seems like a left-over from Puritan nonsense tbh.

Obviously he's correct on the running / disadvantage analogy. However, a wider question would probably be why certain colleges / universities are worse than others, and why getting into any of them should be a "reward" (or punishment) for anyone.

[Cynical Oracle]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

We bemoan the fact that we no longer have any fanatical, racist nujobs on GD whom we can all unite against.

Me you muppet

[Deciduous]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Obviously he's correct on the running / disadvantage analogy.

mmm, because if I was determined enough I could win the olympic 10,000 metres with no prior training yeah?

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Deciduous

mmm, because if I was determined enough I could win the olympic 10,000 metres with no prior training yeah?

What the hell are you talking about? Did you read the article and the afforementioned analogy?

[Deciduous]

I did.
My point is, the running analogy is bollocks. We are told the blacks in this case are more intelligent and more determined than the whites. If that's the case why do they finish behind in score at all? What's the excuse, get to the fking library, if these people are as intelligent and determined as they are made out to be, surely a 300 point deficit against the white kids is impossible regardless of who taught them.

He claims that intelligence is nothing to do with character and then bands elements of character together with physical fitness and strength in his analogy. That just seems wrong to me

[Deciduous]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Quotes please?

Also clearly going to a prep school in Massachusetts , confers an advantage to going to some no budget school in Harlem.

When I was young I would just sit in my room and go through a library book on whatever subject I was required to learn. I went to a school full of 9 year old crackheads where the teachers are routinely assualted by both students and their parents. By GCSE time I was well ahead of most people, based purely on my own effort.

In my experience, people who go to private schools are useless. I should have an honourary degree from all the help I gave my housemate, and his parents had to pay annual school fees that are more than what my family has to live on. All the good teaching in the world wasnt going to make him clever.

[queball]

Originally Posted by Deciduous

When I was young I would just sit in my room and go through a library book on whatever subject I was required to learn

Geek!

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Deciduous

In my experience, people who go to private schools are useless.

Public schools all the way, that's what I say.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

However, a wider question would probably be why certain colleges / universities are worse than others

I don't see any difficulty in working that out. It's a positive feedback system.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Deciduous

I went to a school full of 9 year old crackheads where the teachers are routinely assualted by both students and their parents.

And my grandfather smoked a hundred cigarettes a day and lived to be 82, so smoking doesn't cause cancer, right?

I don't think the author says (or means) blacks are more intelligent than whites. Intelligence (in the word he appears to be using the word) is the end result, not a trait he's trying to measure. He's talking about character (determination, as you say). Determination isn't all powerful however.

Let's pretend we can measure these things (we can't ofc), and I'm 10% "more determined" than you. You start life as a kid in a "good" home, with lots of books, computers, etc. You go to a good school (not necessarily private, state schools in richer areas are generally superior to state schools in poor areas), your parents teach you, you have some home tutoring.

I have none of this, but due to my superior determination, manage to almost catch up. Your headstart is still decisive, and so beat me on my SATs (or whatever). Don't you think that's a possibility?

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I don't see any difficulty in working that out. It's a positive feedback system.

Well, yeah. I meant more in the ethical sense of why we're allowing this. If you go from Cambridge / Harvard to Birmingham Polytechnic / Harlem Community College it's fairly obvious why the latter is inferior.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Well, yeah. I meant more in the ethical sense of why we're allowing this. If you go from Cambridge / Harvard to Birmingham Polytechnic / Harlem Community College it's fairly obvious why the latter is inferior.

Allowing what? Imbalance?

Forced equality is bad duder.

[skiddy]

MrL, what do you actually do?

I mean for work.

You've a ruddy great house in Durham centre, computers in every room and nearly every console known to man.

So tell me, what do you do? What do you do??

[Dante Hicks]

Who mentioned "forcing"?

If I see two people, one upset because his buddy has an apple and he doesn't, and I give him an apple I suppose I've "forced" them to be equal. I wouldn't see that as a bad thing though.

If by force you did actually mean coercion, then that's bad whatever the outcome (well, usually). Forced inequality would be bad too. Forced yellow trousers would be bad. Etc, etc.

[Deciduous]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Your headstart is still decisive, and so beat me on my SATs (or whatever). Don't you think that's a possibility?

People who live in a hole in the ground with zero resources and no means to obtain them are screwed whatever happens.

Obviously it's a possibility (T&F, when did anyone mention anything about bloody genetics) but I don't think it's as big an issue as made out.
I don't want to sound unreasonable but if someone wants to learn something they'll do it.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Deciduous

(T&F, when did anyone mention anything about bloody genetics)

Genetics is pretty much the only other explanation for the kids of poorer parents doing crapper than richer children unless you're willing to buy into the "disadvantage model" (for want of a better term).

edit : I obviously do think it's a fairly big issue. I wrote my undergrad dissertation on this (it was awful, but the point still stands) and basically poorer kids face disadvantage in :
Health (from embryo through to adulthood)
Education (from the parental environment they grow up in to the University they end up in)
Random things (poorer children more likely to be run over for instance)

These things are never monolithic obviously. A poorer kid can still do well, just like a smoker can live a healthy life. It does increase probabilities of "failing" though, as does cigarettes => cancer.

[Qdeathstar]

So tell me, what do you do? What do you do??

Although i dont agree with your argument..... I'll tell you what he does.

Nothing

He won 1,000,000 in a bitch-off contest... and he goes every year, winning every time... and then uses PA forums as target practice.

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Now, on i side not, HOW CAN YOU TAKE INHERITANCE AWAY FROM RICH PPL, THEY OWN IT, WHY CANT THEY KEEP IT?

And do you all have any idea how high the tax rate is for people whoe make >100k a year? Its crazy. ITS even more outrageous for corporations...

My family only makes around 15k (w/o cash) a year.... but the fact that >100k a year has to pay just over 50%... makes me chuckle a bit..

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Qdeathstar

Now, on i side not, HOW CAN YOU TAKE INHERITANCE AWAY FROM RICH PPL, THEY OWN IT, WHY CANT THEY KEEP IT?

No-one's mentioned taking away anything from anyone.

And Personal Income Taxes on high earners are much higher than corporation taxes, unless you meant something else.