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Unread 26 Apr 2004, 11:56   #151
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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I'm not trying to make us look innocent here, it seems you think so, what im trying to do is to get us a fair punishment.
Fair enough. However, I feel the punishment is quite fair. You abused the bug worse than other galaxies, so the same punishment hit you harder than it did others.
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The only thing that mattered, was that we wanted to get out of the spotlight, cause other top10 gals (allied gals too) tried to take us down all the time. Thise was the O N L Y reason.
That's what comes as part of being the #1 galaxy, deal with it. Resorting to cheating is not the answer.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

While I certainly think what they did was wrong and they deserve lossing all the resources, someone at pa has really ****ed up and there needs to be an invesigation into how it happened. You see the limit WAS mentioned in the manual for PAX, somewhere since PAX ended and 10.5 started someone with access to the manual had removed it. It was probally by mistake but this debate couldnt have happened IF they hadnt done this and the reason this has happened needs found out and action taken. I'm not asking for anyone to be sacked for it, they are volenteers after all and have to be cut some slack and its only a small mistake that doesnt really make any difference to the outcome but whoever is found to be at fault does atleast deserve a slap on the wrist simply to keep everyone sharp so that such errors are less likly in future as well as give out the message that making mistakes isnt really acceptable
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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Which incidentally is completely irrelevant, since you broke the EULA, which is the only thing that matters. The game itself tells you at 25mil that you cannot donate more, so the fact that it wasn't in the manual is pretty much a non-issue.
Because they're your friends sucking up to you and people who aren't aware of all the facts, but only know that PA Team "stole your 600mil resources, omg wtf!", and because they don't care about cheaters in the game.
The game doesn't tell you you cannot donate over 25 Mil.
To be exact.
If you have 20 mil in your gal fund. You donate 6 mil. It tells NOTHING!!!
If you then donate 3 mil, it tells you 25 Mil is the limit.

So... Imho, it ain't no real bug. Since you can donate over 25 mil, just not if there is already > 25mil in the fund. So the game never tells me, that donating 600 mil to the gal forum is impossible, bugged, failure of the design or code. It's maybe strange, but It could be one of spinners special feature Like the travel time bug ...
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It was probally by mistake but this debate couldnt have happened IF they hadnt done this
Nonsense.

The game itself doesn't allow for having people donate over the 25mil mark and clearly states so, so the information being in the manual is not in the least bit a requirement for knowing that working around the limit is not an intentional feature, but a bug. As such, the galaxy broke the EULA, which again has nothing to do with the manual.
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but It could be one of spinners special feature Like the travel time bug ...
I don't think I need to comment.
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this all reminds me of cimmeria somehow.

A statement to justify your cheating which makes you only look dumber and in the end just supports the view that you are a cheat.

As a job reference i would also strongly recommend you drop any job plans in the PR-branch, you would fail miserably.
I never thought I'd agree with you, but here I just have to, hehe.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

oooh thats great thunder now it aint a bug no more theyre hidden features , and besides that whether or not it was in the manual aslong as you get the message that youre at the limit by doing the normal way just donate from you too fund without this or that way donations then you know its not right.

and afaik if you have 20 mil in the fund and donate 6 mil itll leave 1 mil that is not donated to the fund dont know if it says something or not maybe try looking a bit upwards in some small line prolly says it somewhere.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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I don't think I need to comment.
Well explain the part above that plz. I can see nuff reasons why Leshy.. Cause indeed it's strange, but where does it say it's a bug, you never get a message you do something wrong. I think PA-Team should have said, people don't use it anymore. But 600Mil resources gone.. C'mon!
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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Nonsense.

The game itself doesn't allow for having people donate over the 25mil mark and clearly states so, so the information being in the manual is not in the least bit a requirement for knowing that working around the limit is not an intentional feature, but a bug. As such, the galaxy broke the EULA, which again has nothing to do with the manual.
Hows it nonesense, would we be having this debate IF someone hadnt have removed the manual reference to the limit, no we wouldnt, he might have found another angle to complain from BUT he couldnt have used the manual as a reason and PATeam wouldnt have been made to look so bloody Incompetent. As I did say in my post it not being in the manual doesnt change the fact that PATeams actions were right and fully jusitified by the EULA but that doesnt mean someone at PATeam has made a major **** up. Someones made a mistake and an investigation should be held into how it was allowed to happen and who ever was at fault should get a slapped wrist
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Unread 26 Apr 2004, 12:15   #160
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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and afaik if you have 20 mil in the fund and donate 6 mil itll leave 1 mil that is not donated to the fund dont know if it says something or not maybe try looking a bit upwards in some small line prolly says it somewhere.
You will have 26mil in the fund... So over 25mil, and you don't get a small line or whatever.. you only get it the NEXT time you donate.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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I think PA-Team should have said, people don't use it anymore. But 600Mil resources gone.. C'mon!

well i say c'mon ive been playing the round fairly i have to hit planets that get more defence etc more active gals while they could go on for another week or 2 weeks whatever who cares hitting n00bs inactive gals because they abused a "feature" that wasnt ment to be used, maybe we are stupid that we didnt find out or didnt use it but now look whos stupid and are now whining to get their resources back, yes it is harsh and alot of resources but they didnt get deleted in which they couldve easily been aswell and they knew they shouldnt have had more then 25 mil in the fund if that gets deleted tuff titty whether its #1 gal or any gal that used it TUFF TITTY.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

Of course people have PMed you with support.
1. They're likely to be cheaters themselves, so don't want to be shown up on the boards.
2. Noone who disagrees with you is going to PM you, are they? What would be the point?

Stop whining and get over it.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

It's very simple.

You can not get over 25mil resources into the fund any way by regular use of the galaxy fund. The only workaround is to empty the galaxy fund and donate over 25mil resources into it in one go. Anyone with half a brain can see that constantly having to donate the galaxy fund to a player, and then redonate a bigger amount of resources into it does not fall under regular operation of the galaxy fund.

As such, they operated the game through what they could reasonably be expected to recognize as a bug. The fact that they did is evident from their galaxy forum and their posts in this thread. Which means that they willingly broke the EULA and are thus liable to punishment, up to full account deletion.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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You will have 26mil in the fund... So over 25mil, and you don't get a small line or whatever.. you only get it the NEXT time you donate.
then you know something is wrong and should report it so you do get a message when the fund is full wether or not it is the next time you wanna donate.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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Hows it nonesense, would we be having this debate IF someone hadnt have removed the manual reference to the limit, no we wouldnt,
We'd still be having this discussion; only the manual wouldn't have been involved in it, and Karm wouldn't have had to make an apology.

Although I would say that the way PA Team handled this affair with the manual doesn't deserve a beauty prize, the only thing that really happened was a small misunderstanding, and hardly a display of monumental incompetence.
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well i say c'mon ive been playing the round fairly i have to hit planets that get more defence etc more active gals while they could go on for another week or 2 weeks whatever who cares hitting n00bs inactive gals because they abused a "feature" that wasnt ment to be used, maybe we are stupid that we didnt find out or didnt use it but now look whos stupid and are now whining to get their resources back, yes it is harsh and alot of resources but they didnt get deleted in which they couldve easily been aswell and they knew they shouldnt have had more then 25 mil in the fund if that gets deleted tuff titty whether its #1 gal or any gal that used it TUFF TITTY.
As our gal often has 10 planets in top 100, i DOUBT its harder for you to get roids than for us, no matter if we had 600mill res in fund. average per planet in our gal is that we can attack a planet that is 250k +/- value smaller than if we didnt donate, which is just 7k fi or something like that.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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It's very simple.

You can not get over 25mil resources into the fund any way by regular use of the galaxy fund. The only workaround is to empty the galaxy fund and donate over 25mil resources into it in one go.
Not correct. Donating 3 mil, if there is 24 mil, works fine. See my post leshy, I was suprised back then.. I never used the "cheat" remember that! Link check post #7

But still had over 25 mil in my fund. This happens to almost every galaxy. Cause not many ppl will donate exact ammounts.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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Hows it nonesense, would we be having this debate IF someone hadnt have removed the manual reference to the limit, no we wouldnt, he might have found another angle to complain from BUT he couldnt have used the manual as a reason and PATeam wouldnt have been made to look so bloody Incompetent. As I did say in my post it not being in the manual doesnt change the fact that PATeams actions were right and fully jusitified by the EULA but that doesnt mean someone at PATeam has made a major **** up. Someones made a mistake and an investigation should be held into how it was allowed to happen and who ever was at fault should get a slapped wrist
i dodn;t think there was a limit in round 10 - i thought the limit was added to prevent people using covert ops res stored in gal fund to make peoepl jump up the rankings.
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i dodn;t think there was a limit in round 10 - i thought the limit was added to prevent people using covert ops res stored in gal fund to make peoepl jump up the rankings.
It was, since CBK won speedround finals as planet with that......
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

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As our gal often has 10 planets in top 100, i DOUBT its harder for you to get roids than for us, no matter if we had 600mill res in fund. average per planet in our gal is that we can attack a planet that is 250k +/- value smaller than if we didnt donate, which is just 7k fi or something like that.

dude 250k value more like double that, and then hitting planets with 500k/600k value less means mostlikely a less active planet/galaxy is easier roids so heh hence not being an advantage.
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Not correct. Donating 3 mil, if there is 24 mil, works fine.
Ok, I was under the impression that you actually had to donate over 25million of resources in one go. Still, that is only a minor concern as the next time you try to donate, the fund tells you that you cannot do so. Still, that does not invalidate anything I have said - it is fairly obvious that working around the galaxy fund limit is not an intentional feature.
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dude 250k value more like double that, and then hitting planets with 500k/600k value less means mostlikely a less active planet/galaxy is easier roids so heh hence not being an advantage.
when you're in top100, you can't hit inactive planets, no inactive planets big enough.
I launched 70attacks in a row without getting roids. had 15-16attacks/day on the most.
It's just as impossible to get roids as if you're 600k score bigger.
ofc its easy to get roids if you're in fpm or something like that, but im not..
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when you're in top100, you can't hit inactive planets, no inactive planets big enough.
I launched 70attacks in a row without getting roids. had 15-16attacks/day on the most.
It's just as impossible to get roids as if you're 600k score bigger.
ofc its easy to get roids if you're in fpm or something like that, but im not..

you still dont get it do you heh, while i had to build ships you where able to stay small WHICH gave YOU an advantage for a longer time then any1 else, but like i said before i give shit you took a gamble by abusing something and now you shouldnt be complaining it backfired. imo you had advantage enuff and now you wanted to be treated specialy which imo you shouldnt.


edit : it has nothing to do if being in fpm or not, yes i am so what ? if your 600k value bigger means you can hit % lower then that which can be a big advantage
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Ok, I was under the impression that you actually had to donate over 25million of resources in one go. Still, that is only a minor concern as the next time you try to donate, the fund tells you that you cannot do so. Still, that does not invalidate anything I have said - it is fairly obvious that working around the galaxy fund limit is not an intentional feature.
Which is why you are good boy and didn't get punished )
And where is the list of intentional feature's?
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And that's exactly where I wanted to end this.. So it ain't a real bug, but if you use common sence you could see it as a bug.... or as some used it, a nice feature in the game.
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And that's exactly where I wanted to end this.. So it ain't a real bug, but if you use common sence you could see it as a bug.... or as some used it, a nice feature in the game.
either u r meant to be able to ahve more than 25mil in the fund or u r not - something has to be a bug
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So it ain't a real bug
How it is perceived has no influence on whether or not it is a bug. The galaxy fund workaround is a bug, and the "I thought it was just a feature that required a lot of hassling around" line is a piss-poor attempt at a defense.
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We'd still be having this discussion; only the manual wouldn't have been involved in it, and Karm wouldn't have had to make an apology.

Although I would say that the way PA Team handled this affair with the manual doesn't deserve a beauty prize, the only thing that really happened was a small misunderstanding, and hardly a display of monumental incompetence.
I did say he might have found another angle to complain from but when you consider his only real argument (atleast to start with) was that it wasnt in the manual he would have had less to argue with and would just have looked even stupider.

And yes as ive said it isnt a major issue as the EULA covers it but a mistake has happened and as a player I know id like to see that the issue was dealt with in a professional manner. Every mistake they make should be handled with, the root cause of the issue identified, rectified and approiatte action taken againts those who are at fault to ensure its something which is unlikly to be an issue again. Its something that PA constantly fails on, the same issues just constantly crop up from round to round and nothing ever seems to change and that can only be because they are constantly treated as none issues and are fixed with a tempory measure which is fogetten once the next round starts

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i dodn;t think there was a limit in round 10 - i thought the limit was added to prevent people using covert ops res stored in gal fund to make peoepl jump up the rankings.
It was certainly in the manual, PAX was the only time i've really read the manual, normally i check out the ship stats and forumulas ect and skip over everything else. It was declared in the manual that there was a limit on the total amount the fund could hold for PAX, something which went missing
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either u r meant to be able to ahve more than 25mil in the fund or u r not - something has to be a bug
A) If I try to donate 3 Mil when I have 25mil in the fund it doesn't work.
B) If I try to donate 5 Mil when I have 23mil in the fund it does work.

Both times I intend to have 28 mil in the fund. Since option B) works, I go for that one. CBK was thinking large... and did it with 600 mil.. Way the go CBK!
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I did say he might have found another angle to complain from but when you consider his only real argument (atleast to start with) was that it wasnt in the manual he would have had less to argue with and would just have looked even stupider.

And yes as ive said it isnt a major issue as the EULA covers it but a mistake has happened and as a player I know id like to see that the issue was dealt with in a professional manner. Every mistake they make should be handled with, the root cause of the issue identified, rectified and approiatte action taken againts those who are at fault to ensure its something which is unlikly to be an issue again. Its something that PA constantly fails on, the same issues just constantly crop up from round to round and nothing ever seems to change and that can only be because they are constantly treated as none issues and are fixed with a tempory measure which is fogetten once the next round starts



It was certainly in the manual, PAX was the only time i've really read the manual, normally i check out the ship stats and forumulas ect and skip over everything else. It was declared in the manual that there was a limit on the total amount the fund could hold for PAX, something which went missing

maybe it was rmoeved ebcuase the limit wasn't there - i know someone who jumped from no where to top 10 through a gal fund donation - that must ahve been mroe than a 25mil donation
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A) If I try to donate 3 Mil when I have 25mil in the fund it doesn't work.
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Both times I intend to have 28 mil in the fund. Since option B) works, I go for that one. CBK was thinking large... and did it with 600 mil.. Way the go CBK!
According to these two cases and cbk's point of view situation a) must be a bug, so it deserved being reported. The whole galaxy did not, still a violation of the EULA there.
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According to these two cases and cbk's point of view situation a) must be a bug, so it deserved being reported. The whole galaxy did not, still a violation of the EULA there.
Then everybody who read my topic about the gal fund violated the EULA. Including me. Also every galaxy who had ever donated over 25 Mil.. And there are a lot out there, violated the EULA. Why was it reported so late, it was discovered pretty soon... I think, since most didn't look at it as a bug... Still my opinion ofcourse
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Then everybody who read my topic about the gal fund violated the EULA. Including me. Also every galaxy who had ever donated over 25 Mil.. And there are a lot out there, violated the EULA. Why was it reported so late, it was discovered pretty soon... I think, since most didn't look at it as a bug... Still my opinion ofcourse
I do not necessarily disagree there.
The sad thing about this game's "community" is that most people do only report people when it gets towards their own benefit, not towards the benefit of the game or the community.
It is a good thing that since about 2 rounds there seems to come a change in this behaviour, but the change is still not completed yet.

At the end of the day everyone playing Planetarion should have realized that certain things - which can and should finally be discussed in a seperate thread - inside the community have to change to give this game a future, or in a maximum of 2-3 rounds we will see a universe of like 250 planets. And I do start agreeing with people like Zhil at this point, which claim that winning in past rounds counted more than nowadays. They got a point there. However, this is now going off topic.
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Just know that I agree in a lot of points Heartless. I made a thread about the "bug", never "abused" the "bug", and never reported it (except made that thread). Everyone who read my thread, including some posting here, didn't report it either. This was because, nobody really looked at it as a bug..... Well, at least I didn't. CBK, turned it around, and use the feature, for helping himself.

That, now we all know the bug, people must stop using it, I agree. But removing 600 mil resources, is NOT ok. More people knew it, more people broke the EULA. CBK is punished for 600 mil, I didn't look a thing. Imho that is not good. I will always try to improve the game, made errors myself, but also helped on cases where I could. But with this case, I cannot agree that a gal loses 600 mil, looking at all the facts I posted earlier.
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Just know that I agree in a lot of points Heartless. I made a thread about the "bug", never "abused" the "bug", and never reported it (except made that thread). Everyone who read my thread, including some posting here, didn't report it either. This was because, nobody really looked at it as a bug..... Well, at least I didn't. CBK, turned it around, and use the feature, for helping himself.

That, now we all know the bug, people must stop using it, I agree. But removing 600 mil resources, is NOT ok. More people knew it, more people broke the EULA. CBK is punished for 600 mil, I didn't look a thing. Imho that is not good. I will always try to improve the game, made errors myself, but also helped on cases where I could. But with this case, I cannot agree that a gal loses 600 mil, looking at all the facts I posted earlier.
where is this thread that says the bug exists?
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Its quite a clever explotation of something in the game to give you an advantage IMHO.

Although if its agreed that it is against the EULA, does that mean that every planet that lost roids to this galaxy or any other that exploited this ......undocumented feature, can they also demand their roids back from these galaxies as they have been attacked by planets with an artifically lower score ?

Just give em the resources back...........that way they will have to spend it and the only targets left for them will be their own alliance or block.
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anyway you want to turn it thunder lets say they found out the "bug" themselves and corrected the mistake your resources would be gone aswell you KNOW when donating and your fund is at 25 mil that it is full and are not allowed to put in more then the 25 mil if you try and find ways where it is possible to get more in then you shouldnt come cry afterwards that your resources are gone now it sux for them but they shouldve known better imo.
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OMG I can't belive i spent 1 1/2 hrs reading everysingle post on this thread just to come to the conclusion that:

cbk cheated and got caught. And he and his whole gal were lucky not to be deleted.
All i can see from Cbk's reply's are that he relys on the Manual not saying there was a Gal Fund Cap. But this is stupid as TheRealMig already said The Manual Are NOT The Rules.

Theres lots more I could write but most has been said already, and im a lazy bugger.

If i were u Cbk id just admit what you did was wrong and maybe save some of ure already seriously damaged reputation.
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I think he's referring to this thread.

It doesn't highlight the bug specifically; it's mostly complaining about not being able to donate more resources. There was also some confusion about what the limit was (as it wasn't then in the manual). However, if you look at the amounts of the resources listed as being the in gal fund, it clearly adds up to more than 25 million.

It's pretty obvious that the limit is only being checked against what's already in the gal fund:
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A) If I try to donate 3 Mil when I have 25mil in the fund it doesn't work.
B) If I try to donate 5 Mil when I have 23mil in the fund it does work.

Both times I intend to have 28 mil in the fund. Since option B) works, I go for that one. CBK was thinking large... and did it with 600 mil.. Way the go CBK!
That line of reasoning might work if it was a one-time donation. It wasn't.

A) If you have 60mil in the gal fund and try to donate 40mil, you get an error.
B) If you donate 60mil from the galaxy fund to a small player, then donate 40mil into the gal fund, then donate the 40mil from the gal fund to the small player, and then have the small player donate the 100mil back into the gal fund, it works.

In both cases you aim to end up with 100mil in the gal fund. Anyone with half a brain would see that option B was very unlikely to be the normal mode of operation of the galaxy fund, and a bug instead.
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I think he's referring to this thread.

It doesn't highlight the bug specifically; it's mostly complaining about not being able to donate more resources. There was also some confusion about what the limit was (as it wasn't then in the manual). However, if you look at the amounts of the resources listed as being the in gal fund, it clearly adds up to more than 25 million.

It's pretty obvious that the limit is only being checked against what's already in the gal fund:
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Rather typical PA coding, unfortunately. :/

accoridng to that thread it was in the manual on the 14th April... which is quite a while ago -maybe it was in a really odd location?

anyway as i believe I wa sin the support team then, it can be said that someone who in theory shoudl know theese things said there was a limit - and hence getting round the limit was a bug etc etc
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

Quite an amusing thread. Another player/galaxy found cheating/abusing bugs and whining about it, really the best monday afternoon comedy.

Now, after reading all this stuff about definitions of "bugs", "bug abuse" and "cheating", and all these referrals to "common sense" i get the feeling a simple line should be added to the EULA:

"PATeam has the right to judge by what is known as COMMON SENSE. If you´re not gifted with it we advise you don´t sign up for Planetarion."

Thanks cbk for making my afternoon, with this good laugh i´ll surely survive until i see my girl again
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I agree with cbk, if someone never knew it was capped at 25(and they obviously wouldn't if it wasn't in the manual) - then why should they be stripped of their resources?

No offense, but some of you seem to be somewhat retarded. You buy a new car, look in the glove compartment, it comes with something called a "manual." Typically, that manual is a guidance for maintenance and such. Never once have I seen a manual dictate the RULES of the road. Those rules are found in the driving rulebooks, issued by each state, at least here in the US.

The argument fails when people say "it wasn't in the manual!" precisely because the manual is a tool for guidance, not the law.

Use your brains.
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Re: lost 650 million res and PA HQ are liers!!

heh...
Couldnt resist,
Any points considering there was something wrong in the resource elimination are rubbish,
As pointed before some point where i still cared to read, doing the act gave an advange
for the planets which was not ment for anyone to have hence legit galaxies go with the limit.

It is understandable that your emotion clouded your judgement when you started up this thread,
and you clinged at any possible thing to 'aid your cause', but you knew yourself what you did was
'avoiding' a placed 'limit' with the game, and what is that other than cheating?

When you bend the rules and get yourself caught, have more spine next time will you, cheater?
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ok, so your main point here fuz and cbk is that you admit you cheated, but you dont like the fact that you cheated much more than everyone else and hence got a much large penalty.

Lets relate this to something similar, say tax fraud. You hide certain portions of your income from the IRS in order to pay less in taxes (your gal hid parts of your income to be smaller, and hence able to attack smaller targets) If your offense was small, the IRS would likely just give you a little slap on the wrist and ask for the money back. However, the larger the offense the larger the penalty, not just proportionally either. For very large offences you might have jail time (which could be similar to say closing your planets).

600mil resources, that is 6 million value, a significant reduction in the cap limit (reduction of around 250k per person, which when as big as you are that takes out a lot of targets). To say what you did had no real effect is wrong. To say that you got the money fairly is also wrong, because the second you went over the cap you were unfairly reducing your score, unfairly giving you access to easier targets and hence easier and more roids. Frankly, I feel you should be closed, but that is because I hate cheaters, and I hate the way you whine and think that you should not be punished for cheating.

Face it, you messed up, be glad you were not punished more severely.
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Well explain the part above that plz. I can see nuff reasons why Leshy.. Cause indeed it's strange, but where does it say it's a bug, you never get a message you do something wrong. I think PA-Team should have said, people don't use it anymore. But 600Mil resources gone.. C'mon!
Most "bugs" dont give you a message saying, "by doing this action you have encountered a bug". If that was the case, programing would be very easy...
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Most "bugs" dont give you a message saying, "by doing this action you have encountered a bug". If that was the case, programing would be very easy...
I like the idea of that though. Just imagine ... an actually working MS Windows!!!
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Or more likely, a very verbose MS Windows.
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