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Unread 20 Oct 2010, 17:46   #1
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Comparetheallyname.com

Seems that there was a complaint lodge for the alliance name "Zebra Punch"
Care to speculate since AD is quite quiet in recent days?
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

if this is true, the person(s) that made the complaint(s) should voluntarily remove themselves from the gene pool and the MHs that took it seriously should do the same.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

Zebra Punch: Essentially a Donkey Punch (qv) between inter-racial protagonists.
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That's hilarious.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

lulz
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

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Zebra Punch: Essentially a Donkey Punch (qv) between inter-racial protagonists.
According to 1 person on urban dictionary. A post that was made about a week or 2 after we decided on the name.
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its ****en funny how high can reach MH's level of retardness.
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Unread 20 Oct 2010, 19:01   #8
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

buhu, someone finally realised why you named your alliance Zebra Punch. You did it on purpose, well knowing it was abusive, and then you complain when the MH discover your hidden abuse. Pathetic.
There is only 1 way to stop the MHs from renaming such cases and thats stop spending time to come up with shit like this in the first place.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

Alliance name was created end of June.
UD post was created 8th July, and at the time of the complaint had 0 likes and 0 dislikes.
UD also says things such as "Whale Punch" is the same as a Donkey Punch.
None of our command and none of the members had mentioned it was linked to Donkey Punch.

Personally I think this is nonsense and there is nothing in the EULA about alliance names. Anyone can make an UD post about anything they want as long as it isnt racist (which is another thing that was mentioned the name was).

As for the person who it is I won't say who it is on the forums but my tongue may be looser on IRC.
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Ascendancy is just a euphemism for getting an erection.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

If you dont see the link between a donkey and a zebra you are most welcome to my new alliance next round called "Stick munchers". IF you happen to be from Delaware, you can even lead a battlegroup called the Delawere Stick munchers.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

It's worth pointing out that with the exception of urban dictionary there are no basically no other google results for zebra punch which use that meaning. It does lead one to wonder precisely what the rules are supposed to be achieving here. Protecting people who browse urban dictionary for related results to donkey punch from being traumatised by a pa alliance name?
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Unread 20 Oct 2010, 21:38   #13
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Alliance name was created end of June.
I can vouch for this. I disapproved as it was silly.
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It might be a stupid name, but I guess they didn't realise there were so many zebras playing PA.
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It's worth pointing out that with the exception of urban dictionary there are no basically no other google results for zebra punch which use that meaning. It does lead one to wonder precisely what the rules are supposed to be achieving here. Protecting people who browse urban dictionary for related results to donkey punch from being traumatised by a pa alliance name?
Thank you, at the time we were unaware of the euphemism (which we some what dispute the validity of the evidence that it is a euphemism) and the post on urban dictionary did not even exist. Is to to be standard practice from now on to use user submitted content websites to judge what is offensive? I would assume that a single post on any old web forum would have similar validity.

Although this is not the full story, we were contacted by the PA team saying we would have to change our name. We explained we were unaware of the double entendre but would change it if they insisted. We came up with "hippo pugilism". We felt the use of old words would avoid modern slang giving it an alternative meaning. We checked on google and urban dictionary and found no results which could really be considered offensive. The PA team then OKed it as acceptable. An hour later without telling us of giving us the option of selecting the name they changed our name to "Meerkat Manor". Now we are stuck playing under a tag we do not want to be part of. If we want to change our name we have to take the penalties involved in leaving tag and setting up a new one for something we feel is in no way in breech of the rules. We also feel aggrieved that they initially checked and said our second name is fine then gave us no option to select another after deciding their own original judgement was wrong.

We have received no official explanation from the PA team as to what is wrong with the second name, no option to select our own name to play under in a game many of us pay to play. We have seen logs pasted from #multihunters at the time which suggest that someone used reductio ad absurdum to find fault with the name. Then proceeded to attack their egos by saying we were making fools of them.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

What can possibly be offensive about the name "Hippo Pugilism"?
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Thank you, at the time we were unaware of the euphemism (which we some what dispute the validity of the evidence that it is a euphemism) and the post on urban dictionary did not even exist. Is to to be standard practice from now on to use user submitted content websites to judge what is offensive? I would assume that a single post on any old web forum would have similar validity.

Although this is not the full story, we were contacted by the PA team saying we would have to change our name. We explained we were unaware of the double entendre but would change it if they insisted. We came up with "hippo pugilism". We felt the use of old words would avoid modern slang giving it an alternative meaning. We checked on google and urban dictionary and found no results which could really be considered offensive. The PA team then OKed it as acceptable. An hour later without telling us of giving us the option of selecting the name they changed our name to "Meerkat Manor". Now we are stuck playing under a tag we do not want to be part of. If we want to change our name we have to take the penalties involved in leaving tag and setting up a new one for something we feel is in no way in breech of the rules. We also feel aggrieved that they initially checked and said our second name is fine then gave us no option to select another after deciding their own original judgement was wrong.

We have received no official explanation from the PA team as to what is wrong with the second name, no option to select our own name to play under in a game many of us pay to play. We have seen logs pasted from #multihunters at the time which suggest that someone used reductio ad absurdum to find fault with the name. Then proceeded to attack their egos by saying we were making fools of them.
FYI this is due to the fact that the multihunters are currently running a competition to see who can get the most pa players to quit the game in disgust in a single round.

I hear butter has a solid lead...
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

this is the most upsetting thread in many many years. whoever is actually in charge of pa (if anyone is) should get their ****ing act in gear and take control of this ridiculous situation.

everyone involved in the decision regarding the forced renaming and then decision to change the name to something else that requested to voluntarily remove themselves from the PA team, or be removed.
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Ha, and to think I got away with "No F*cking Idea", LAST ROUND.

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This is once again pure stupidity by the MH team, congrats guys. I can't believe your ego stroking moronic nature has led to yet more disillusioned (PAYING!!!) customers.
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If they ok'd the 2nd name, then its no-longer you at fault as you had the name cleared by them.. So even if after a discuess between the MH's that your name was unacceptable, they should of offered you another chance to rename.

I really dont understand why the MH insist on making there job so much harder by forcing the community to absolutly hate them.

Its beyond a joke now, its every single round where they do something absolutly stupid at least once to annoy a huge portion of the active community. I wouldnt mind if the community was annoyed at somebody cheating, as those cases tend to swing either way (such as the elviz+eksero ship farming end of round thing) where no matter what they do, someones going to be annoyed but this is a clear cut WTF.
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LOL (can't really say much more to such retardation :/ )
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this is the most upsetting thread in many many years. whoever is actually in charge of pa (if anyone is) should get their ****ing act in gear and take control of this ridiculous situation.

everyone involved in the decision regarding the forced renaming and then decision to change the name to something else that requested to voluntarily remove themselves from the PA team, or be removed.
Well, I'll be off then. bye

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If they ok'd the 2nd name, then its no-longer you at fault as you had the name cleared by them.. So even if after a discuess between the MH's that your name was unacceptable, they should of offered you another chance to rename.
Despite the fact that the MH said that they'd rename unacceptable names without consulting, and so by consulting they were already showing leniency?



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I really dont understand why the MH insist on making there job so much harder by forcing the community to absolutly hate them.

Its beyond a joke now, its every single round where they do something absolutly stupid at least once to annoy a huge portion of the active community. I wouldnt mind if the community was annoyed at somebody cheating, as those cases tend to swing either way (such as the elviz+eksero ship farming end of round thing) where no matter what they do, someones going to be annoyed but this is a clear cut WTF.
I don't see how renaming an alliance not even in the top 10 "annoys a huge portion of the active community". I see that, despite all the suggestions that the MH should rename things last round, now they're doing it it's causing more complaints. I'm sure that the MH definitely set out to annoy as many people as they could by renaming this alliance when a mixture of people made complaints about it. To be honest, googling didn't help, especially when there was confusion about the resulting facebook page for a while.

On a personal level, I can't quite see how random violence to animals is that funny, and with all of the suggestions for replacements being similarly "<animal> <physical aggression>", the alliance does appear to have a one track mind on the issue and what they find funny.

I have to single out Crowly for praise though, in his general conduct throughout this issue. If he ever posts on this thread, I will pos rep him.
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Honestly, while I am part of the group of people that always likes to push the limit with ruler/planet names, I can totally understand how the MHs are getting pretty sick of it. It's fairly obvious that when you are running a business, if you are in doubt if something is offensive, you are better off making sure it gets changed instead of taking the chance no one actually takes offense. And the recent harsh punishment of the MHs is probably a step taken to stop making people push the limit. I'm fairly sure that when you get your name changed to something lame you can't even choose yourself, you won't want to push that limit next round.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

Some ways this is quite funny and others it Isn't.

I do think crowly and co should have had the option to rename themselves (meerkat mannor what a p*sh ally name has to be said)
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why push the limits and choose a risky allyname if you cant handle the consequenses? It's fairly obvious that there was a risk the MH's would realise the obvious similarity between Zebra and a donkey. They did, and the new rules clearly states they can change the name without warning. In this particular they gave you a second chance to change the name, and what do you do? You replace Zebra with Hippo, and punch with pugilism. Hippo Punch.

I do not find Hippo Pugilism offensive at all, because its awfully hard to relate it to anything. But knowing the history behind the name, like everyone else, your "change" is just a new shot at trying to bend the rules. Donkey->zebra->Hippo. Pugilism is just another word for hitting something and the bright admins must have known the meaning of this word and gave you no third chance.

Next time i hope they dont talk to players at all in these cases. It is pretty obvious now that when players like this are allowed to speak their case, they just follow up with more smartass names, trying to bend the rules yet again. They also think they have the right to cry out on forums for the "obvious powerabuse". It's like they wanted the MHs to find out about their clever little joke and when they have to change it they come running to the forums.

It's so ****ing childish all of this.
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Silly me believed that i could put "penis" in my ruler/planetname because of "peniz" being allowed as allyname, but the MH's changed it without even informing me. It wasnt even a sexual use of the word, merely a medical condition. I wont quit over it, but i am annoyed. I do wish the multihunters would stick to hunting multiplayers and cheaters, instead of picking on noneoffencive attempts to be "funny" from the community.

EDIT: seems the word "penis" is good enough for the forum, just not for the game itself...wonderful.

EDIT v2: sorry for going off topic, couldnt care less about zebra punch
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While I am happy people with "offensive" names no longer have to allow themselves to be berated in #multihunters before they can resume playing again, for the love of god, at least let people know what you're doing to their planets and tell them they can appeal in #mh if they so choose.

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You are also allowed to have multis on the forums. You can also mention Zebra Punch on here without getting your ass kicked by me. The forums simply have a different set of rules than the game does.

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I disagree HaNzI
The name had nothing to do with a donkey punch and iver never even heard the term used to the same meaning.
The UD post (the only evidence that is being used to argue the meaning of the term) was created over a week after the name was suggested and chosen.
So nonsense about us trying to "bend the rules".
Stop your useless trolling and please know about the situation before you comment.

We chose the second name as it was similar and it followed the same theme but wasn't used in modern slang, so negating the problem that it apparently meant a sexual act (which btw isnt rape, so i dont know where the person who complained got that from)


Regardless of my own situation, the powers the MH have are too large and all encompassing with absolutly zero accountability. It is nonsense that they can change names regardless of the paying customer's wishes.
If Jagex staff are monitering the forums (which they said they would be doing) then please see this as the community seriously disagreeing with the powers that elements of PA team have. Consider reviewing and making the terms and conditions concerning abusive/offensive names much fairer.

At the moment, if someone is offended the name will be changed without considering the players wishes. Ask the player to come up with a new name and explain why someone found it offensive. I can see how someone could link zebra punch to donkey punch and as they really were offended, fine, i'll change the name. I would think the majority of the community would do the same.
It is not fair on the players when thier planets can be renamed without consideration

As a side note i spoke to Ace about this last night and he has been accomodating and has allowed us to consider a new name. He said the name we considered should'nt have been accepted in the first place and we have another chance. So thanks Ace

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Also Pugalism does not mean punch, it means fighting/fighter, and hippo means Horse so .'. fighting/fighter horse would be the proper meaning.
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I'm sorry, but if you want to have some sort of 'fighting horse' as your name then why not just call the alliance 'fighting horse'. i am sure very little people will/can be offended by that name.

The problem of using slang and outdated language in this was clearly the cause of the discomfort experienced by complainer(s). So i'd say avoiding that and coming up with a clear cut name should have resolved problems in the first place.
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can i suggest: Bomber Command (a reference to the RAF in WWII)
or : Tora Tora Tora.
or: Enola Gay (a reference to the bomber that carried the first A-Bomb)
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I don't see how renaming an alliance not even in the top 10 "annoys a huge portion of the active community".
Ya, not really surprised that you couldn't see why it effects the community.
Despite the fact that half the community decides they have to test the multi-hunters in every fashion (mostly because they'll instantly change/ban someone for putting an R in the wrong spot) doesn't mean the remaining player base should have to watch their backs.

Because one person takes offense from a name doesn't mean the name should be changed. That single person was doing it to be an asshole.

What if they decided to rename to 'goat punch'? Would that be offensive?
Then what about 'kitty punch'? OH GOD DON'T HURT THE CUTE KITTIES.
So basically you just completely veto'd using the word 'punch' in alliance names.

The simple fact is that the multi-hunters are very bad at their jobs.
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I believe the alliance in question has been re-renamed.
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Re: Comparetheallyname.com

Merge-renaming would've been possible anyway.

Can't see what all the fuss is about, though I've never cared enough to 'push the limits' of r/p names. (see: same r/p name for the past x rounds bar one where a terrorist stole it)
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Erm, is it just me or your main argument is that if it wasn't in Urban Dictionary then it doesn't exist? Okay right, didn't realise Urban Dictionary was such a well respected source but now that's cleared up i'll get on there next time i'm doing some work.
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If only I was still at university, I could reference it in my essays.
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It might be a stupid name, but I guess they didn't realise there were so many zebras playing PA.
Afaik, there's only me. After ~30 rounds with the nick zebra, I noticed an ally had realized what an awesome assortment of letters it is. Anyways, I started the round as "zebra punches of Zebra Punch" with no clue about the abuse those words bring when they're side by side. Now my p/r is still: Meerkats of Meerkat Manor. I have no affiliation with ZP/Meerkats/whatever-that-Orbitesque alliance is named.
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I hope you're now suitably contrite about all the hurt you must have caused with your offensive r/p name.
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It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic and depressing.
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Due to the non-disclosure agreement subject to which all of these cases are, the multihunters cannot comment on the particular case in question (not that the multihunters would want to, anyways).

However, on this case, the multihunters are right and the players are wrong. The multihunters retain the right to come up with random, spastic decisions in the future too.

Shut up, piss off, stop complaining, and play the game or quit it if you don't like it.

Posting in behalf of the head multihunter because obviously they don't reply to this kind of garbage.
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Forgive me for being dense, but shouldn't the multihunters be.... you know.... hunting multies?

That being said, I can understand the need to ban offensive names, but at least warn the person that their name is offensive and to please change it to something else rather than just replacing it to anything, that just leads to threads like the one above where they complain about it giving bad press to everyone involved.

Additionally, simply skim reading through the top 100 players I've found at least 10 names that could be deemed offensive or abusive to different people, however these are allowed. I'm sure if I read them properly there would be more.

If you're going to change one "possibly offensive" name, why not change them all?
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We just abandoned such a system because it required everyone to go to #multihunters to get berated before getting their name changed, while the MHs have to put up with the abuse. It was not a very satisfactory approach for any of the parties involved.
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If you're going to change one "possibly offensive" name, why not change them all?
You misunderstand. The job of the multihunters isn't consistency. It's annoying as many people as possible over the most minor things imaginable.

How some haven't been changed is beyond me though. I mean seriously, the ph33r of being graped? Licenced Destroyer of Meatstick Infections?
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Due to the non-disclosure agreement subject to which all of these cases are, the multihunters cannot comment on the particular case in question (not that the multihunters would want to, anyways).

However, on this case, the multihunters are right and the players are wrong. The multihunters retain the right to come up with random, spastic decisions in the future too.

Shut up, piss off, stop complaining, and play the game or quit it if you don't like it.

Posting in behalf of the head multihunter because obviously they don't reply to this kind of garbage.
I certainly hope you are being sarcastic. Are you? O.o
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We just abandoned such a system because it required everyone to go to #multihunters to get berated before getting their name changed, while the MHs have to put up with the abuse. It was not a very satisfactory approach for any of the parties involved.
OK, I can see everyone going to #multihunters and complaining before having it changed, so why not just have it that next time the person logs in it comes up with a message stating "Your planet/ruler name has been deemed unacceptable as per the rules <insert link here> please select a new one within the rules otherwise further action will be taken."

At this point force them to have to enter new details or a random one will be chosen (though would be funny if the random one was accidentally more offensive).

This wouldn't stop people going to #multihunters but they'd do it anyway so no loss there.

The part most people seem to be complaining about is the lack of a right of reply, whatever the MH say goes with no recourse. Yes this is not a democracy but the arbitrary renaming of some people but not others seems to be showing a distinct anti-Zebra theme. This would be partially resolved by allowing the person to select their own alternative as suggested above.



As an aside, I still think PA should have the option of a random name generator on sign up.
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I certainly hope you are being sarcastic.
One would hope so yes.

As much fun as I find posting on these threads, which one do you reckon will happen first people, the multihunters become more pragmatic, more consistent, and more intelligent with their decisions, or people stop generating threads when their "Yummy Bear of Chocolate Mummy" -names get checked out because they're not only demeaning towards women but also racist towards bears (not all bears are yummy bears and hence it's a very sweeping a generalization that should not be accepted in this world).
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