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Unread 4 Oct 2010, 18:55   #51
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Re: Alliance Points Breakdown

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having smaller tags might also courage to a way of playing without huge blocks
'huge blocks', they tend to be 1-2 big alliances with the smaller alliances joining in.

Blocks tend to form when one alliance has more quality than the other alliances and starts to pull away (or in some cases, they're deemed good enough that they arnt allowed to get strong). How exactly is blocking up to beat the better alliance through numbers as you cant beat them through skill a bad thing? If we didnt have blocks, the round would be over in 2 weeks.

The only time blocks are bad, is when ND is on the winning side. As they wont break the block to try and go for #1 when theyre #2, so it stagnates. However, even then.. the round has been prolongued due to blocking as there was an actual war.

As far as blocks go, its nothing to do with ingame mechanics, its just alliances and the only time they're bad is when they're extremly uneven but thats a player thing not a game thing.

Reducing the tag limit, actually makes blocks much stronger as they can massively overpower a smaller tag and it becomes much easier to launch a co-ordinated attack on 40 planets than on 100.

The other thing which isnt being talked about, is how the hell can a 40man tag hit a big galaxy mid-late round? Its already extremly hard for a 80man alliance to successfully hit a top galaxy alone at the middle-end of the round, with 40man it becomes impossible. So no, lowering the tag limit will not reduce blocking, it will make it mandatory. It will also encourage fence galaxys which isnt exactly a good thing, as that stagnates politics more than blocks (as blocks can change).
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Unread 4 Oct 2010, 19:53   #52
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Re: Alliance Points Breakdown

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im not saying this couldnt happen, but being in a block also kinda determines ure round outcome.. u choose wrong side and ure gonna lose, having more diverse universe however gives alliances more choices what and when to do

also having smaller tags, might also mean that dlr/ct/vgn and other a bit smaller tags do not need to block with 2-3 big alliances to take down #1 tag nemore that has twice their members atm(im refering to the big tag rounds atm).. having their enemies as big as themselves memberswise might courage em to go against em with less naps as they now are on same level kinda.. at least defence wise

if this happens between 2 80 member tags this point then yea thats a roidrace and nothing much comes from that.. having more diverse universe competent tagwise might create something else from this tho, as different alliances have different goals and things on their mind
I somehow do not feel more enlightened as to why exactly you think smaller tags will make blocking more unlikely. Blocks form for two reasons. Bashing people we don't like and knocking the #1 alliance off the top spots, for emotional reasons and rational reasons if you will. They're made more and less likely by how necessary they are in the second case, the first case will always be independent of anything other than personal interactions. Just because I have more alliances to potentially block with does not make it less likely that I'll block.

Also I have no idea why or how ct and vgn will take on the #1 alliance just because they're now even with them on members (it's worth noting at this point that CT finished the round with more members than anyone else, VGN were pretty much the same size as apprime for most of the round and DLR have recently made a conscious decision not to play with the #1 tag or anything like that in mind).

The idea that somehow talent will be redistributed by smaller tags is fundamentally flawed. I really cannot emphasis this enough. It has nothing to do with tag sizes. Honestly. I'm not lying here okay...
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Unread 4 Oct 2010, 23:51   #53
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Re: Alliance Points Breakdown

ND has switched blocked to go for the win 2 out of the past 3 rounds. We don't do it one round... a summer round where no one gives a crap about winning... and suddenly we're to blame for all stagnant rounds in which our block is winning... odd... ND = PA's easiest scapegoat?
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Re: Alliance Points Breakdown

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And a 15% cumulative penalty in the same fashion for each alliance who plays politics unfairly.
unfortunately everythings fair in love, war and politics.
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Unread 5 Oct 2010, 16:08   #57
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Re: Alliance Points Breakdown

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how about deducting 10% of the points every time you nap another alliance
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And a 15% cumulative penalty in the same fashion for each alliance who plays politics unfairly.
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Re: Alliance Points Breakdown

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Honestly I'm baffled.
We should introduce a 15% tag score penalty for alliances which start with the letter E as well imho
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We should introduce a 15% tag score penalty for alliances which start with the letter E as well imho
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Re: Alliance Points Breakdown

Now, I know I am only formerly influencial, and never really had a clue about the game or alliances, but I dont see much point in another alliance-ranking like this. The winner of the game is the #1 planet, galaxy or alliance, right? Then why does one need one more list to say which alliance is best?
Imho you would be better off with 4 new rankings actually. One for each of these new point-categories, not 1 for all of them. Then at least you have 4 new rankings that each show something about how the alliance has worked without pretending there is a "second" winning alliance...

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Spinner, nice of you to pop back 450 years in time to share your wisdom of the future, but shouldnt you be working on ways to allow us to compete in your time rather than trying to improve things in the past?
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Then why does one need one more list to say which alliance is best?
Because losing makes people unhappy. They don't like it. Whatever they say, they'd rather not be last. Because how this "alliance points" system is calculated, it is probably extremely difficult for the winner alliance on score to also win in "alliance points" if competition anything to be mentioned. This way, even the losers can feel like winners and everyone's happy.
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Still makes little sense to me
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Still makes little sense to me
me neither , i dont see a use for it
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