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Unread 8 Sep 2010, 14:32   #251
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

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Very convenient that it happened, It's like you trying to claim ASC were working with us to hit you that one night i can't prove that this is exactly why the exile happened but 1+1 = 2. As far as we and zwan were concerned that is what happened then to reinforce this you guys attempted to fc Darkness.
1.0+1.0=2.0

1+1 is NOT 2. Chew on it :P
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You mean when Asc let Apprime take a beating, tried to break up the block by napping 2 out of 6 so they could later come out on top, only to be replied with 'no, this block is staying together untill Apprime and Asc are out of the top 6'..... yeah .. that was when Asc and Apprime fully allied for the whole round and destroyed the rest of the universe, still, that was 120 vs. 360 I think...

Oh and wasn't it the same round when VisioN reformed, to play r35 nicely and win r36? What Santa did there was invest.... something a lot of people could learn from.
111 vs 280+ (occasional smaller allies like HR,p3ng,ODDR joined for a night or two).

Apprime was taking a beating while being heavily crashed on for over half the round, but despite the crashes, our roidloss allowed Asc to grow past us.This made the block talk about targeting Asc. Asc then realised they would be hit and allied fully with Apprime for the rest of the round. Vision was not pleased with Apprime grounding fleets for def and their cooperation was mediocre until the block started hitting asc. Thats when App/vision started targeting the block and from there we safed in the victory. The last 2 weeks it was 160 vs 280 because of vision joining in actively.

What made it so terribly hard for Apprime to target alliances in the block this round was because of the whole block building fr/de based anti cr/bs, while deffing eachothers tags!

thats the short summary anyways of round34. Read more here

On a side note: The people in the NFI block is pretty much the same people we fought in round 34 and 35. Touchè mother****ers.
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Sandmans says 1 night of roidloss around tick 270 and 2 nights around tick 450, so that sounds about right.
Just because we stopped losing roids doesn't mean we stopped getting incoming. It just got to the point where the combined efforts of everyone who was left fighting couldn't take more roids from us than we could gain over night.

It was also not instantaneous that Osi dropped out as soon as Santa retired, as I didn't even pm Dimentus until a day or so later to offer Osi their opt-out option.
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Very convenient that it happened, It's like you trying to claim ASC were working with us to hit you that one night i can't prove that this is exactly why the exile happened but 1+1 = 2. As far as we and zwan were concerned that is what happened then to reinforce this you guys attempted to fc Darkness.
The decision to hit Zwan was made before ManiacMagic brought up exiling people in general that day. Several people were discussed for exile, including Gsuss, whom I'd intended to exile for a while since, as I said, I wasn't comfortable having someone who would be so easily manipulated by cain in my gal.

Had Gsuss not been exiled, he would have been a target as well, because even though he joined ODDR we still ranked him as an agent of Apprime.

And the backdrop to this (and I suspect the real reason Zwanstic exiled), was that he'd offered to give the gal a NAP with App if NFI did the same. I personally think such tactics are despicable, and never even bothered to comment on this proposal. Basically, he figured he could hide behind me and never get hit, and when he realized this wouldn't happen, he left the gal.
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Kenny please stop with the pretence of app hitting nfi with asc cos this never happened. We only even retalled nfi after u screwed zwanstic over with the dirtiest trick i have ever witnessed in my time in pa then after that u tried to fc darkness.
Read above get a grip with the subject kenny! Im afraid to say it but Sun_Tzu is a more reliable source of information than Yourself. (End of Discussion)
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

I have no idea what you're talking about or where you're quoting that from, eksero!

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And Firebird shut the f**k up. Your inability to discuss topic is becoming increasingly infuriating, as I previously held you in somewhat high regard for some unknown reason.

Tzu hasn't said anything that conflicts with what I was saying and does infact directly contradict what you were trying to portray as dirty tactics.

And the Darkness FC was accidental - it's my understanding he recalled into it (or was just in the wrong place and the wrong time).

You can end the discussion all you want, but that doesn't make you any less of an incoherent babbling nonse. I thought I told you to stop trying to deflect substance with irrellevent, lame quips?
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

Firebird hasn't actually said anything that was factually wrong. I'm pretty sure that it's widely considered fairly rude to set up attacks on people in your own galaxy.
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Firebird hasn't actually said anything that was factually wrong. I'm pretty sure that it's widely considered fairly rude to set up attacks on people in your own galaxy.
He also hasn't said anything that is factually right either, which was my point. I enjoy debating with the likes of yourself and jbg's self purely because I can rely upon the quality of the responses, whereas Firebird seems more intent on making generic inflamatory closing statements that have all the delivery capacity of a carrier pigeon that's had its wings clipped.
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I'm pretty sure that it's widely considered fairly rude to set up attacks on people in your own galaxy.
Since when? I must have missed that meeting, where we all got together and decided that we should totally let our enemies hide behind 1-2 of our own members, even though they keep hitting our own alliance. According to that logic there's 21 gals in the uni NFI isn't allowed to hit, or we'd look "rude".
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It was also not instantaneous that Osi dropped out as soon as Santa retired, as I didn't even pm Dimentus until a day or so later to offer Osi their opt-out option.
Yes, it was. You may have only pmed osiris a day or so later but they dropped out that night for sure.
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Yes, it was. You may have only pmed osiris a day or so later but they dropped out that night for sure.
Something that was fairly inconsequential given that we were still getting incs from them thereafter.
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Something that was fairly inconsequential given that we were still getting incs from them thereafter.
If anything it shows how ****ing appalling everyone's "let's raid gals with 3 nfi planets in them and think we're targeting" strategy was, as opposed to actual ptargetting. That an alliance that actually dropped out of fighting you happened to give you a similar enough number of incs to what they gave beforehand purely through random gal raiding so you actually didn't think they'd dropped out is pretty amusing.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

I think it went from few, large waves on our big "high priority target" planets to more, smaller waves on our "easier to hit" planets. The number of incoming remained pretty consistent though.
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Since when? I must have missed that meeting, where we all got together and decided that we should totally let our enemies hide behind 1-2 of our own members, even though they keep hitting our own alliance.
Which is not what I said. I'd be perfectly fine with CT attacking my galaxy (well, not perfectly fine, I suppose, but you get the point), but I would be rather annoyed if I learned that Titos (my CT galmate) personally set it up.

Apparently Apprime felt the same way, or they would not have been motivated by it (among other things).

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I think it went from few, large waves on our big "high priority target" planets to more, smaller waves on our "easier to hit" planets. The number of incoming remained pretty consistent though.
By that point you were 20k roids ahead of Ascendancy and Apprime, so it's not strange that you got a lot of random incs on your easy targets. Additionally, hitting a target that's already under (some) strain is just a good tactic.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

Even i didnt organize attacks on my own gal when i played, and i keep getting referred to on this forum as someone who played dirty. Its really rude and makes you less trustworthy if you set up attacks on your own galmates.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

I never had a problem with a list of targets being divided in such a way that my alliance hit my gal or if the targets in my galaxy were actually the best ones for my alliance to hit. I don't think I ever set up any actual waves on people in my own galaxy though.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

I doubt that happened more than 1-3 times anyway, though, since you're usually in a fortress.
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If it makes you all feel any better, it was LordN that set the attack up (as he has done with almost every other attack this round).
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I doubt that happened more than 1-3 times anyway, though, since you're usually in a fortress.
I think you're missing the more basic point that I'M ALWAYS IN A FORTRESS OF ONE MOTHER****ER.
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I assume you're the "one mother****er"?
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Originally I'd included the comma but I removed it to leave open the potential for the double entendre
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Originally I'd included the comma but I removed it to leave open the potential for the double entendre
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

So, now that this has all been resolved amicably what's up next round? Will NFI be defending their title?
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Originally I'd included the comma but I removed it to leave open the potential for the double entendre
That was crying out for a yo-mamma joke, but I felt we'd brought discussions to a rare point of genuine debate and don't want to ruin that.
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So, now that this has all been resolved amicably what's up next round? Will NFI be defending their title?
We haven't won yet.

Irrespective of outcome, I imagine we'll play on in some form or another. I think despite the round not being the most interesting round of all time, or us not having had the biggest challenge ever recorded, we're very much enjoying each others company for the most part. As such, it would be a shame to just disband come the end of the round.
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We haven't won yet.
LOL what?
U are heading for the biggest domination of the top ranks in the time that I have played pax (r25-now).. there are what 40? NFI in the t100, thats already above asc in any round bar 28 with near 400 ticks to get the remaining five, if you add newdawn into the mix then its about 64 on course to beat the 66 of the Asc/xVx tie up of r31 tho ofc they fought each other for half the round.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

Does ANYTHING you just said make my statement any less true? What has been, what could be, what looks likely and what is doesn't change that which currently isn't.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

No, it is of course another not so subtle jab at ND, because other alliances that have been so dominant tended to start clearing the t10!
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I'm pretty sure that it's widely considered fairly rude to set up attacks on people in your own galaxy.
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Are you people actually advocating that any BC or HC should automatically try to protect their own gal above their alliances interests? Do you people even realize how utterly shit such behaviour is? It's a prime example of the abuse of power, and disrespectful towards the players in your alliance who have no such option available to them. If anything, as a leader you should be even stricter towards yourself, because whatever you demand of yourself, you can require of others as well.
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Are you people actually advocating that any BC or HC should automatically try to protect their own gal above their alliances interests? Do you people even realize how utterly shit such behaviour is? It's a prime example of the abuse of power, and disrespectful towards the players in your alliance who have no such option available to them. If anything, as a leader you should be even stricter towards yourself, because whatever you demand of yourself, you can require of others as well.
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Are you people actually advocating that any BC or HC should automatically try to protect their own gal above their alliances interests? Do you people even realize how utterly shit such behaviour is? It's a prime example of the abuse of power, and disrespectful towards the players in your alliance who have no such option available to them. If anything, as a leader you should be even stricter towards yourself, because whatever you demand of yourself, you can require of others as well.
False dichotomy. Have I mentioned yet that JBG is usually in a fortress galaxy?
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False dichotomy. Have I mentioned yet that JBG is usually in a fortress galaxy?
No, why - does he normally go random?
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False dichotomy. Have I mentioned yet that JBG is usually in a fortress galaxy?
Have I mentioned this is a random round?
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don't Buddy pack with Sun_tzu unless you are in the same ally
Don't BP me expecting that you can be hostile towards my alliance and receive protection. Assuming you are neutral or even friendly, there's no reason to fear anything. Zwanstic is literally so far the only planet in my gal that NFI has hit, because we didn't need to hit the rest, nor was there any real gain in it.

I suspect most people who've been in my gal will speak rather well of me as a galmate.
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Have I mentioned this is a random round?
Regardless of what you call the setup of the round (which I wouldn't call random, but semantics), it's pretty easy to get a 6 man fortress. We have 3, of which 1 even has 8. We also have at least 1 of 4 which just didn't bother getting late signups (namely mine).

You chose not to get a fortress galaxy, which is fine, but that choice can put you in situations in which you have to choose between your galaxy and your alliance.
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but that choice can put you in situations in which you have to choose between your galaxy and your alliance.
For some people (like me and Sun_Tzu apparently) this ain't even a 'choice'.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

I don't believe it's not a 'choice' for people who know how much of an asset their galaxy can be (like Tzu). So that just leaves you.
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politics can change during a round so i never stab galmates in the face.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

Fortresses can be a drag too. All it takes is one or two friendly small alliances worked out for galaxy raids on those during a war, and your little Romanian friends have 100+ incoming fleets over seven planets.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

I did say it was a choice.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

I've arranged incomings on galmates in the past, but it left me with a foul taste in my mouth. It's the kind of thing I'd prefer to leave for other BCs/HCs in the alliance, just to not get personally involved.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

Brings back memories of storebo/elviz/sandy arranging incomings on their own alliance members to peg planet rankings. I reckon Sid wasn't happy.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

It's not about choosing between your galaxy and alliance. I always have and always will put my alliance first and to be honest it was the alliance I was heavily involved in that brought back that way of thinking and method of playing to pa. I draw the line at things like setting up actual waves yourself on your galmates. I would also draw the line at not reporting your galmate's incs just because you're at war with their alliance. And various other things as well.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

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It's not about choosing between your galaxy and alliance.
It does not have to be but there's been a lot of cases of people breaching alliance rules to protect galaxies and even further.


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I would also draw the line at not reporting your galmate's incs just because you're at war with their alliance.
Man how bad this game needs an automated distress signal.
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Re: NFI Statement on todays political shifts

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Are you people actually advocating that any BC or HC should automatically try to protect their own gal above their alliances interests? Do you people even realize how utterly shit such behaviour is? It's a prime example of the abuse of power, and disrespectful towards the players in your alliance who have no such option available to them. If anything, as a leader you should be even stricter towards yourself, because whatever you demand of yourself, you can require of others as well.
didn't you say in the other thread that in R13 you joined an alliance because it was convenient for your gal? surely that's putting gal over ally as you're using the ally to protect your gal?
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