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Unread 23 Feb 2017, 12:51   #351
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

I was BF HC three years ago?
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I was BF HC three years ago?
Just fyi http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=200396

Yes, 3 years ago.
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Oh, time does seem to fly by.
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Unread 23 Feb 2017, 15:03   #354
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

Seems a very amazing end of round when the top 6 tags are bashing the top 5 during the last days.
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Seems a very amazing end of round when the top 6 tags are bashing the top 5 during the last days.
We only hit 1 planet the cheating one
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

Actually, App hit 2, Joseph and Junior.
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Unread 23 Feb 2017, 17:13   #358
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Round is soon over and its been fun playing with some of you (not the inactive noobs).
Would also thank B-Butch3r for completely disregarding the galax over your own agenda.
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actualy the truth is that i was exiled so i could use winy for pod farm again.
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

I know nelito can be a complete idiot at times but is it really necessary to gangbang inf? really must be hard work for #1 and #2 alliances to play naptarion for entire rounds.
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I know nelito can be a complete idiot at times but is it really necessary to gangbang inf? really must be hard work for #1 and #2 alliances to play naptarion for entire rounds.
Who were you napped to this round again?
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

napped to apprime, bows and avoidance with inf.
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I think it was some sort of a rhetorical question..
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

well our position is 8th, no relations to ultores, p3ng, nd, norseless.... we also never worked with apprime, the nap with them was to stop them farming us.

so to highlight our position in all this... 2 naps and 1 avoidance, only 1 of which was with a contender for #1.

Whats your position in all this???
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well our position is 8th, no relations to ultores, p3ng, nd, norseless.... we also never worked with apprime, the nap with them was to stop them farming us.

so to highlight our position in all this... 2 naps and 1 avoidance, only 1 of which was with a contender for #1.

Whats your position in all this???
Pretty similar, napped to 1 contender and a couple avoidances on and off during the round with none-contenders. Our rank is better tho.
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ah i see now, farming VGN with HR
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I think it was some sort of a rhetorical question..
Indeed it was.

Seemed a little hypocritical for gm to be slating an alliance for making political arrangements that benefited them, whilst being one of the alliances with whom they'd made such an arrangement for similarly self-serving reasons.

App can't be blamed for making agreements, but when the original terms of such agreement proved to be untrue, that would have been sufficient reason to end said arrangements. It wouldn't be dishonourable to end an agreement that was made in bad faith initially. The round might have been a lot more interesting for everyone (except, possibly, Apprime) had you not held faux honour in such high regard in a web browser spreadsheet game.
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App can't be blamed for making agreements, but when the original terms of such agreement proved to be untrue, that would have been sufficient reason to end said arrangements. It wouldn't be dishonourable to end an agreement that was made in bad faith initially. The round might have been a lot more interesting for everyone (except, possibly, Apprime) had you not held faux honour in such high regard in a web browser spreadsheet game.
The terms of the deal it self isn't questionable, I should know since i made it. And to make it clear, I've shared every detail of the deal with the rest of the HC and noone found any reason to call it void. It's easy to make up excuses to break a deal when you dont sit on the details. In my case it's a damned if I don't and damned if I do scenario. In the end my word is important to me(more so than winning), even if it isn't to you. Am I responsible for Ult not being able to compete? YES. Are everyone else responsible for their own alliance' ability to compete? YES. Noone can whine about App winning, cause noone did anything to prevent it anyway(well, p3ng can whine, cudos!).

Congrats to Apprime! Noone deserved it more.
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

to be fair, ultores honors deals, apprime doesn't if it suits them. honor is very one sided in this game these days
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I think Ultores's reputation of not breaking deals is more related to their strategy than to honor. The strategy of napping the competition and trying to outgrow it while hindering it using one's influence over other alliances suits Ultores very well.
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I think Ultores's reputation of not breaking deals is more related to their strategy than to honor. The strategy of napping the competition and trying to outgrow it while hindering it using one's influence over other alliances suits Ultores very well.
Ye, that is clearly our strategy...
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now... Which deal didn't apprime honor? Taking into account the already explained hitting of few INFs. I'm no HC, just curious.
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Re: R70 prediction & drama thread

Those arguing about naptarion I am not sure that the number of naps necessarily is what should be condemned. p3n currently has avoidance with ult, and alliances with bows, vgn, and norseless, as well as a NAP with HR and have for the last week to some extent been working with ND. Put it like that and it would seem clear that we have played naptarion nicely!

An alliance that has no agreements but does nothing but gal raid all round and has had no impact, or probably negative impact on the fight, or lack of it, at the top (presumably they would have rejected overtures to help change things) would seem to be more to be condemned. This would seem to me to potentially get worse if an ally spends all round fighting other small allies therefore taking them out of possibly influencing the top too. Conversely an alliance may be allied to a whole load of alliances, but if this is with the intention of blocking against top allies and keeping things interesting then despite them being the far more naped up ally they would seem to be playing the more interesting role.

The problem is, as has been pointed out several times in the stagnation thread, most alliances have little incentive to get involved in potentially high stakes battles at the top. Do alliances want interesting times? Not when those interesting times likely mean lots of incoming.
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Lets hope nelito and Joseph will do politics next round aswell. Atleast we can all agree on one thing, kill the Arab and Brazil
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Those arguing about naptarion I am not sure that the number of naps necessarily is what should be condemned. p3n currently has avoidance with ult, and alliances with bows, vgn, and norseless, as well as a NAP with HR and have for the last week to some extent been working with ND. Put it like that and it would seem clear that we have played naptarion nicely!

An alliance that has no agreements but does nothing but gal raid all round and has had no impact, or probably negative impact on the fight, or lack of it, at the top (presumably they would have rejected overtures to help change things) would seem to be more to be condemned. This would seem to me to potentially get worse if an ally spends all round fighting other small allies therefore taking them out of possibly influencing the top too. Conversely an alliance may be allied to a whole load of alliances, but if this is with the intention of blocking against top allies and keeping things interesting then despite them being the far more naped up ally they would seem to be playing the more interesting role.

The problem is, as has been pointed out several times in the stagnation thread, most alliances have little incentive to get involved in potentially high stakes battles at the top. Do alliances want interesting times? Not when those interesting times likely mean lots of incoming.
All alliances tries to make deals that put them in good position. And as long as war aint profitable, it becomes a round of naptarion. If CT, p3ng, ND, App and Ult all have been fulltags and going for win, it would have been a different game. Now top3 made deals with atleast one of the contenders to put themself in a good position.

What can we do to make it better? I for one think that wars need to profitable, or else there will be naptarion.
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All alliances tries to make deals that put them in good position. And as long as war aint profitable, it becomes a round of naptarion. If CT, p3ng, ND, App and Ult all have been fulltags and going for win, it would have been a different game. Now top3 made deals with atleast one of the contenders to put themself in a good position.

What can we do to make it better? I for one think that wars need to profitable, or else there will be naptarion.
I think you got it all wrong tbfh.
Wars can be profitable, as long as you are warring the tag above you in ranking, and you are winning the war.

Waring tier 2/3 tags when you are aiming for #1 is almost always unprofitable. App vs p3ng this round is one of the rare exceptions.

And BowS this, and last round, we only made deals to have something to do, if it was either hitting Brasil/Arabia, or Norse, or Ult, or whatever, we all made them with the intention that we have to hit someone and not wanting to hit the underdogs/lower tags
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It's quite simple - if everyone plays for the win instead of honouring useless agreements that result in 1 tag walking away with it, we would have a good round.
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and stop farming small tags... ult/hr on vgn yesterday, p3ng/nd/ult on CT today, 172 fleets on a 35 player tag.
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This game showed clearly today how it works.
Cheats/people with most friends/contacts end up "winning" no matter what.

Today i knew cocteau had bagged #1 really as he 3x deffed huge xp from jayzinho hitting 2 6 10 junior.

However last day and it need som action so i decided to have a go.
I knew people would try block me (2 6 guys..) so i arranged an open escort on 5 1 6 today with co which i never had any plans to be a part of. So 10 sec to tick i changed pl and hit 5 2 3 instead (sry newt but as solo i had to hit a solo guy..)! 5 1 6 got alot of piggys as expected and first bullet was dodged.

I then pled my next attack 2 min to tick on 5 2 11 and knew the same shit was gonna happen. So 10 sec to tick i changed it to hit 5 2 3 again second wave.

A jpg close right after tick showed elviz launched on 5 2 11 aswell, so he tried stop his own ally member but yet again failed hard.

So i was free on 5 2 3 for 2 6 gals big fears with 2 waves.
However i ended up beeing stop ingal from 5 2 7 (APPRIME INGAL DEF) So yet again ally stops me.

This clearly shows me how they work and spend all their time on ruining / block others even ally members from acheiving things. This was also withness by alot of others who can back my story today.

So when u see how much effort and work they put in too stop ally members , you can just guess how much cheat and other stuff they bring up durring round to stop people from other allies acheive anything.

So to easy sum it up they tried being lame, but got outsmarted but then they played it even more lame and got their friends from app to def against a fellow app.

Ally ftw people say, but dont be suprised if i leave tag now. Sadly it dont affect anything so the cheaters get away with it.

Atleast people can see how they act and hopefully kill them all next round. If you ever see a Bp og elviz/joseph and the guys make sure to smash them from tick 1.

Hopefully i find myself a new ally , this is genuinly the worst ive been in ever.
I started as HC, but as soon as i started to questions stuff that happend i got demoted. They dont like people that ask questions and dont fear to speak up!

Thats how they roll.

Was a funny day though, seeing how hard they was trying and what they had to do in the end to get it done.

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This game showed clearly today how it works.
Cheats/people with most friends/contacts end up "winning" no matter what.

Today i knew cocteau had bagged #1 really as he 3x deffed huge xp from jayzinho hitting 2 6 10 junior.

However last day and it need som action so i decided to have a go.
I knew people would try block me (2 6 guys..) so i arranged an open escort on 5 1 6 today with co which i never had any plans to be a part of. So 10 sec to tick i changed pl and hit 5 2 3 instead (sry newt but as solo i had to hit a solo guy..)! 5 1 6 got alot of piggys as expected and first bullet was dodged.

I then pled my next attack 2 min to tick on 5 2 11 and knew the same shit was gonna happen. So 10 sec to tick i changed it to hit 5 2 3 again second wave.

A jpg close right after tick showed elviz launched on 5 2 11 aswell, so he tried stop his own ally member but yet again failed hard.

So i was free on 5 2 3 for 2 6 gals big fears with 2 waves.
However i ended up beeing stop ingal from 5 2 7 (APPRIME INGAL DEF) So yet again ally stops me.

This clearly shows me how they work and spend all their time on ruining / block others even ally members from acheiving things. This was also withness by alot of others who can back my story today.

So when u see how much effort and work they put in too stop ally members , you can just guess how much cheat and other stuff they bring up durring round to stop people from other allies acheive anything.

So to easy sum it up they tried being lame, but got outsmarted but then they played it even more lame and got their friends from app to def against a fellow app.

Ally ftw people say, but dont be suprised if i leave tag now. Sadly it dont affect anything so the cheaters get away with it.

Atleast people can see how they act and hopefully kill them all next round. If you ever see a Bp og elviz/joseph and the guys make sure to smash them from tick 1.

Hopefully i find myself a new ally , this is genuinly the worst ive been in ever.
I started as HC, but as soon as i started to questions stuff that happend i got demoted. They dont like people that ask questions and dont fear to speak up!

Thats how they roll.

Was a funny day though, seeing how hard they was trying and what they had to do in the end to get it done.

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Some of your points are valid but you're just too damn fkin emo in every sentence to make them worth anything....

You say App trying to stop App and that BS but you actively tried to get 2.6 (4 apps) hit.. For like a third if not more of the round.

Then you tried to get App removed from tag or whatever BS

Then you try get members deleted or whatever.

Sorry man but you can't come here with all this hypocrite nonsense.

You did well with politics I will give you that... But never try and get your own ally mates kunted.. it isn't right man
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and stop farming small tags... ult/hr on vgn yesterday, p3ng/nd/ult on CT today, 172 fleets on a 35 player tag.
This is a joke right?

All round you refuse to participate in any blocks / hits until it suits - you nap the #1 alliance and take advantage of alliances being hit. Then complain when the incs coming raining down...

Come on GM you know better...

From where I see it, CT has fk all incs all round
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1517 incs this round, we have gal most of the round, hitting all top alliances with exception to apprime who we napped after they started to farm us. We have had wars too, mainly ND because they were trying to bully us but in the last week we have been hitting ultores as they had been targeting us while we hit ND.

the only "block" who asked for help was p3ng, they wanted us to hit apprime who we were napped to.

But sure, complain about the small alliances not doing anything rather than getting your own head out of your ass
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This is a joke right?

All round you refuse to participate in any blocks / hits until it suits - you nap the #1 alliance and take advantage of alliances being hit. Then complain when the incs coming raining down...

Come on GM you know better...

From where I see it, CT has fk all incs all round
CT have been galraiding and been farmed all round. Tags doesnt NEED to join a block.
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I think you got it all wrong tbfh.
Wars can be profitable, as long as you are warring the tag above you in ranking, and you are winning the war.

Waring tier 2/3 tags when you are aiming for #1 is almost always unprofitable. App vs p3ng this round is one of the rare exceptions.

And BowS this, and last round, we only made deals to have something to do, if it was either hitting Brasil/Arabia, or Norse, or Ult, or whatever, we all made them with the intention that we have to hit someone and not wanting to hit the underdogs/lower tags
App/p3ng war was a massacre, not a war

And going for #1 means you cant make too many enemies. So u cant go around warring ppl.
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App/p3ng war was a massacre, not a war

And going for #1 means you cant make too many enemies. So u cant go around warring ppl.
Well thats exactly why Norse failed, they chose to war BowS instead of Apprime.
"But we had a EOR deal" can easily be translated to "We are idiots who want to ruin PA"
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the only "block" who asked for help was p3ng, they wanted us to hit apprime who we were napped to.
If you don't ask you don't have a chance of getting what you want! The only T10 tag we did not ask was app itself. But then from what sevenseas says perhaps we should have asked app, some might have given a favourable response!
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lol, I wanted to help but it was complicated at the time.
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Well thats exactly why Norse failed, they chose to war BowS instead of Apprime.
"But we had a EOR deal" can easily be translated to "We are idiots who want to ruin PA"
We didnt war you. You hit us, we hit you back and you got mad.
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We didnt war you. You hit us, we hit you back and you got mad.
Well think its more to it than, "I got mad, and Norse disbanded"
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and stop farming small tags... ult/hr on vgn yesterday
Just for the record: ult/hr was not coordinated hit on VGN.
But it should be clear for everyone following the universe that we've only been hitting VGN for the past 400 ticks.. (which came as a result of VGN constantly hitting us)
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Well think its more to it than, "I got mad, and Norse disbanded"
More like FL wanted to hit app and nothing to do with you sadly
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More like FL wanted to hit app and nothing to do with you sadly
BuRicher please tell me you honestly didn't think you had any input on Norse splitting

As advantix said

You hit Norse
Norse hit back

You hit Norse again
Norse FC

Your members moaning and not wanting to attack Norse
You hit Norse again
Norse Fc and roid all top planets

No more incs !!
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BuRicher please tell me you honestly didn't think you had any input on Norse splitting

As advantix said

You hit Norse
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You hit Norse again
Norse FC

Your members moaning and not wanting to attack Norse
You hit Norse again
Norse Fc and roid all top planets

No more incs !!
Dude you had no top planets left that wasnt roided.
And as i said the plan was only to hit Norse for 3(?) days, the time it would take to farm all your top10 planets.
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Kershin is rank 4 on 2k roids. nice try pal. you're bad at this game
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Dude you had no top planets left that wasnt roided.
And as i said the plan was only to hit Norse for 3(?) days, the time it would take to farm all your top10 planets.
Dude - your motive doesn't align with Tag

during the time you roided 3 planets - Capped once on me, once of Kershin and twice on CK, all of your top half of tag were roided multiple times.

We also fleetcaught 3 of your planets??? and You crashed about 7 of your members fleets of the big waves.

Nice try though.

Also Kershin is top 10, and we have 10 planets in t100.

How your top 100 planets look?
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You chose to play with these people, who've had the same ****ing MO for 30+ rounds. How can you still be surprised and outraged that *gasp* they once again cared more about their buddies than about their alliance-du-jour? Come on, man, take some personal responsibility.
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You chose to play with these people, who've had the same ****ing MO for 30+ rounds. How can you still be surprised and outraged that *gasp* they once again cared more about their buddies than about their alliance-du-jour? Come on, man, take some personal responsibility.
No, this was my first and last round with elviz.
And i left ally cause i dont want to be a part of it.
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No, this was my first and last round with elviz.
And i left ally cause i dont want to be a part of it.
You speak a lot about elviz while at the same time forgetting about all the people who got you in #2, about the people dced your incs while you didn;t even make a calc, about all the people that sent you def to save your roids (you are welcome by the way).

You forget about all that and try to screw your alliance by asking people to leave tag... man you are no better.
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