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General1 · 28 Jul 2006, 10:39

Hmm,

I'm not exi but this is sad

So where did it go 1up : Honor.
Publishing the coords from your EXI, SAD SAD SAD.
Can't you win the war by yourself?

SAD

Tomkat · 28 Jul 2006, 10:43

I spent last night sobbing into my pillow, that's how sad I was!

jerome · 28 Jul 2006, 10:43

lol honour

Veedeejem! · 28 Jul 2006, 10:55

Any little bit of respect i had for 1up is now totally gone.
GG Lamers

jerome · 28 Jul 2006, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Any little bit of respect i had for 1up is now totally gone.
GG Lamers

why?

Koks · 28 Jul 2006, 10:56

tbh its a war game, deal with it. it may have been low but eXi are doing other things just as low. Im sure there are a good few eXi planets still breaking the new rules, now i guess they have just as much honour. if 1up is bad then so too is eXi.

Benneh · 28 Jul 2006, 11:22

tbh i think its a rather good tactic...

[insert blah blah blah spirit of the game]

but yeha good idea..

MiX · 28 Jul 2006, 11:25

noone forces alliances to make use of exi coords and go attack them. People can still choose

It just gets abit easier, but then again if you know 1up wants you to then thats a good reason not to.

JonnyBGood · 28 Jul 2006, 11:30

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Originally Posted by MiX

It just gets abit easier, but then again if you know 1up wants you to then thats a good reason not to.

Actually it's a good reason to do so rationally speaking. Due to the fact 1up incs will be concentrated against exilition and exilition incs concentrated against 1up fleets available to defend against you and retal your planet will be correspondingly fewer. That said there's always the chance you'll be wave five on a planet with 300 roids. That said you could be smart and get your alliance members to have a look for when 1up fleets are launched, wait five ticks and then wave a few of their roid-fat planets.

PS Just a reminder to everyone not to post any co-ords or links to co-ords in this thread, or anywhere on the forums.

MiX · 28 Jul 2006, 11:38

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Actually it's a good reason to do so rationally speaking. Due to the fact 1up incs will be concentrated against exilition and exilition incs concentrated against 1up fleets available to defend against you and retal your planet will be correspondingly fewer. That said there's always the chance you'll be wave five on a planet with 300 roids.

PS Just a reminder to everyone not to post any co-ords or links to co-ords in this thread, or anywhere on the forums.

Seeing this obvious start of a war means you can attack both sides for those easy roids. Just that you have all exi planets in arby now versus only part of the 1up planets makes it easier to go for exi. However going for 1up will still get you the easy roids you would get in any war.

What I ment with my last line is that just blindly doing what 1up wants you to do: attacking exil planets. Is probably silly and them showing us what they want us to do is just free information for us. As long as people dont go mass attack exil just because 1up wants them to there is nothing wrong with 1up posting those coords.

Proxi · 28 Jul 2006, 11:51

But surely this can be 1ups only intention in posting a co-ord list.

lokken · 28 Jul 2006, 11:59

I read this thread and thought 'cry me a river'.

Considering Exilition the alliance that plays selectively, has a history of simply outblocking 1up rather than taking them on 1 on 1, I doubt 1up cares about honour when it comes to Exilition.

I'd question why you respect any alliance that isn't your own in the first place. They are your rivals, aren't they?

JonnyBGood · 28 Jul 2006, 12:01

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Originally Posted by MiX

Seeing this obvious start of a war means you can attack both sides for those easy roids. Just that you have all exi planets in arby now versus only part of the 1up planets makes it easier to go for exi. However going for 1up will still get you the easy roids you would get in any war.

Presumably not everyone knows where all the 1up planets are.

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What I ment with my last line is that just blindly doing what 1up wants you to do: attacking exil planets. Is probably silly and them showing us what they want us to do is just free information for us. As long as people dont go mass attack exil just because 1up wants them to there is nothing wrong with 1up posting those coords.

I'm quite sure what you mean by "wrong" but I'd tentatively agree with your point. This cannot, in itself, be a bad thing for 1up and might very well be a good thing for the rest of us. Obviously it's in the interests of everyone who isn't 1up or exilition to prolong this war as much as possible and take advantage of situation. As exilition are leading score-wise and roid-wise it's a better idea to hit them. It's just maths really though and doesn't bother taking certain non-self-evident political considerations into account.

-=Yggdra=- · 28 Jul 2006, 12:51

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Originally Posted by lokken

Considering Exilition the alliance that plays selectively, has a history of simply outblocking 1up rather than taking them on 1 on 1, I doubt 1up cares about honour when it comes to Exilition.

I really thought you knew better.

lokken · 28 Jul 2006, 13:20

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Originally Posted by -=Yggdra=-

I really thought you knew better.

Well I only used the general impression I get from exilition. I don't see anything particularly wrong in that.

I would laugh like Paisley but i've seen many of these threads before and they have lost the funny for me

Paisley · 28 Jul 2006, 14:51

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Originally Posted by lokken

Well I only used the general impression I get from exilition. I don't see anything particularly wrong in that.

I would laugh like Paisley but i've seen many of these threads before and they have lost the funny for me

Deepest sympathy in having to moderate this thread

Heartless · 28 Jul 2006, 14:22

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Originally Posted by -=Yggdra=-

I really thought you knew better.

Indeed, no need to outblock someone when you have a gazillion friends support your alliance from outside the tag

Paisley · 28 Jul 2006, 13:00

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Originally Posted by lokken

I read this thread and thought 'cry me a river'.

Considering Exilition the alliance that plays selectively, has a history of simply outblocking 1up rather than taking them on 1 on 1, I doubt 1up cares about honour when it comes to Exilition.

I'd question why you respect any alliance that isn't your own in the first place. They are your rivals, aren't they?

I couldnt stop crying... with laughter.
Totally near the knuckle chuckle stuff.

Jykke · 28 Jul 2006, 15:21

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Originally Posted by lokken

I read this thread and thought 'cry me a river'.

Considering Exilition the alliance that plays selectively, has a history of simply
outblocking 1up rather than taking them on 1 on 1, I doubt 1up cares
about honour when it comes to Exilition.

Thank you for making my post shorter.

MiX · 28 Jul 2006, 12:04

we can agree then

gzambo · 28 Jul 2006, 12:09

all's fair in love and war

Mek · 28 Jul 2006, 12:34

i personally thought 1up was above something like this, leaving this kind of action to the likes of ikke withe the xVx co-ords lists(lol). perhaps i was wrong

Storebo · 28 Jul 2006, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Mek

i personally thought 1up was above something like this, leaving this kind of action to the likes of ikke withe the xVx co-ords lists(lol). perhaps i was wrong

Who was it that said: "When u fight a beast, careful that u don't become the beast?"

Anyways.. 1up honour might have cost em a few rounds win earlier.

Murador · 28 Jul 2006, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Mek

i personally thought 1up was above something like this, leaving this kind of action to the likes of ikke withe the xVx co-ords lists(lol). perhaps i was wrong

Just to highlight, there is a difference, ikke made his own alliance coords public, since he had access, its not the same situation.

Gary · 31 Jul 2006, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Murador

Just to highlight, there is a difference, ikke made his own alliance coords public, since he had access, its not the same situation.

Your wrong there. He want and ran off to ND. Thus, he became a spy/infiltrator, rather than a mere member of xVx. Shame on ND still to this day for accepting him. Hope you guys dont give him arby access if he's still with you

Buly · 31 Jul 2006, 20:41

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Originally Posted by GJN

Your wrong there. He want and ran off to ND. Thus, he became a spy/infiltrator, rather than a mere member of xVx. Shame on ND still to this day for accepting him. Hope you guys dont give him arby access if he's still with you

I was ND that round and never saw him on the private channel. From what I remember he posted the list in his quit message on PD because I heard that he got fked over or something like that by xVx HC, but I think that was his version of what happened.

What happened anyways?

Intruder · 31 Jul 2006, 23:42

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Originally Posted by GJN

Your wrong there. He want and ran off to ND. Thus, he became a spy/infiltrator, rather than a mere member of xVx. Shame on ND still to this day for accepting him. Hope you guys dont give him arby access if he's still with you

As far i know ( and i prolly know enough ) Ikke was never ND, specially after this event.

Chika · 28 Jul 2006, 12:35

I thought 1up was just going to sit back and take it for the 3rd time in a row. Good on those 1up fellows.

aestuos · 28 Jul 2006, 13:48

its a cler tactic im sure with their firepower surely being used against each other attacking exil at the prime times would be the best idea.

To say its against the spirit of the game is rediculous. how can you say that its clearly rediculous.

On an intresting point if you attacked exi cos of the release of co-ords would you count as a support planet lol

anyway as long as a war happens it will be intresting.

and finally all is fair in love and war. Although the amount of love between 1up and exi is hardly high im sure.

Anyway we all know posting co-ords is good for the game as people might attack the high planets hoping to land a lucky attack.

The question is would people be complaining if exi released 1 up co-ords?

oh well

Tomkat · 28 Jul 2006, 14:19

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Originally Posted by aestuos

The question is would people be complaining if exi released 1 up co-ords?

Exi wouldn't need to. They're more than capable of beating another alliance on their own.

JonnyBGood · 28 Jul 2006, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Tomkat

Exi wouldn't need to. They're more than capable of beating another alliance on their own.

Please don't belittle your own alliance HC's political play throughout the rounds. It's unbecoming in the extreme.

mazzelaar · 28 Jul 2006, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Tomkat

Exi wouldn't need to. They're more than capable of beating another alliance on their own.

Whats with the all new fascination of trolling? You never used to be such a shit poster. Have you caught something since joining your new alliance? Maxitis

JonnyBGood · 28 Jul 2006, 14:31

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Originally Posted by mazzelaar

You never used to be such a shit poster.

I can assure you, on behalf of myself and GD, that this was not the case. Also mazz your sig is now four lines too long, something will have to go/be shortened

mazzelaar · 28 Jul 2006, 14:33

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

I can assure you, on behalf of myself and GD, that this was not the case. Also mazz your sig is now four lines too long, something will have to go/be shortened

You're just jealous cos I put another mans quote in there, aren't you? Ok darling, I'll take it off. Only cos it's you though

Tomkat · 28 Jul 2006, 15:28

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Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Whats with the all new fascination of trolling? You never used to be such a shit poster. Have you caught something since joining your new alliance? Maxitis

I wasn't trolling. I was just giving my opinion.

I couldn't care less that you've posted them "publicly". There's nothing in the rules to say you can't, and this honour idea is a bit silly anyway (I mean for chrissakes, it's a glorified online spreadsheet we're talking about here). I honestly don't think it'll make that much of an impact upon the war.

My post above (the "trolling" one, according to you) was simply stating that Exilition don't need to post 1up's coordinates publicly. I doubt it would make much, if any, difference - they can win without doing it.

JonnyBGood · 28 Jul 2006, 15:36

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Originally Posted by Tomkat

I wasn't trolling. I was just giving my opinion.

It's a silly opinion though. Firstly the goal isn't just to beat 1up, this is not a 1up versus exilition game. Just beating 1up the last two times exilition played would have resulted in them finishing #4 and #5 I believe. Secondly exilition have played the political game in previous rounds and have done very well at it too. This is to be applauded not forgotten and written out of history. Thirdly this also means that we have not seen exilition fight with no allies so your claim is groundless unless you're basing it on some internal viewpoint you now have of exilition which "you'd only know if you were there" which while inconclusive as regards veracity is inane, unconstructive, unfalsifiable and belongs on AD about as much as a discussion about the emotional state of Pandy the teenager panda who is just noticing female pandas and has started to see changes in his body that he doesn't quite understand.

Gio2k · 28 Jul 2006, 14:48

Post 1ups coords, and it's even \o/

hook · 28 Jul 2006, 15:01

What's the big fuzz about, aren't coords normally known after a while anyway? Besides - considering the quantity-game exi played last time to beat 1up, anyone talking about honour considering 1up vs exi needs a reality check.

I'm sorry, but an alliance that outblocks their opponent in a stage of planetarion where it is very clear that blocking ruins a round, and ultimately, the entire game, AND doesn't have the balls to face a decent opponent two rounds in a row, doesn't deserve any honourable acts from their opponents anyway.

Mek · 28 Jul 2006, 15:23

but the very fact that 1up and exilition are pretty much matched pound for pouind in quality do 1up really need to sink this low to beat exilition?? no they bloody well dont :P

it just strikes me as an act of desperation from 1up

Zh|l · 28 Jul 2006, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Mek

but the very fact that 1up and exilition are pretty much matched pound for pouind in quality do 1up really need to sink this low to beat exilition?? no they bloody well dont :P

it just strikes me as an act of desperation from 1up

Act of desperation my arse. I only wish Sid had copied what he did back in the earlier rounds and used Sandmans to display eXilition coords. Then you could all whine about honour some more.

Frankly, look at the past of eXilition actions and what they have brought to the game and then compare to 1up. We're a shining angel in all comparison. (Put out for ole Xanadu players ho!)

Perhaps you shouldnt be looking at where they are posted anyway ;\

Gate · 28 Jul 2006, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Zh|l

Frankly, look at the past of eXilition actions and what they have brought to the game and then compare to 1up. We're a shining angel in all comparison. (Put out for ole Xanadu players ho!)

I'm sure there's a technical word for that sort of argument, but I'm going to use an illustration because I'm too stupid to know it.

Stalin was responsible for far more deaths than Pol Pot, therefore Pol Pot is a shining angel in comparison... and that makes what he did ok? :|

Though as I said, I think it's ok what both sides have done. I would love to see a 1up vs. eX war based purely on their ingame skill and organisation, but since that is not possible, using every little advantage you can come up with makes things very interesting indeed.

Stoom · 28 Jul 2006, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Zh|l

Act of desperation my arse. I only wish Sid had copied what he did back in the earlier rounds and used Sandmans to display eXilition coords. Then you could all whine about honour some more.

Frankly, look at the past of eXilition actions and what they have brought to the game and then compare to 1up. We're a shining angel in all comparison. (Put out for ole Xanadu players ho!)

Perhaps you shouldnt be looking at where they are posted anyway ;\

Could you try next time to elaborate what eX brought to this game in comparison to 1up since this is quite a bold statement imo.
Apart from that the coordlist is just tactics, I doubt anyone really gives a damn about it.

Heartless · 29 Jul 2006, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Stoom

Could you try next time to elaborate what eX brought to this game in comparison to 1up since this is quite a bold statement imo.

Apart from the support planet rule? Probably the return of massively out-blocking and stagnating rounds that way.

-=Yggdra=- · 29 Jul 2006, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Heartless

Apart from the support planet rule? Probably the return of massively out-blocking and stagnating rounds that way.

Yeah like the rounds when we don't play are soooooooo much fun

lokken · 29 Jul 2006, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Heartless

Apart from the support planet rule? Probably the return of massively out-blocking and stagnating rounds that way.

No, people who were moaning about Exilition's strategy brought in the support planets rule.

Had they been deleted for cheating, it would have been a different case.

The real problem is that people want to centre play around 1up and Exilition when they should just let them fight it out and treat them with equal doses of contempt. But other than my minor point above, I can't say I'm a fan of the cultured approach of Exilition blocking.

Veedeejem! · 31 Jul 2006, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Zh|l

Frankly, look at the past of eXilition actions and what they have brought to the game and then compare to 1up. We're a shining angel in all comparison. (Put out for ole Xanadu players ho!)

Plz enlighten me, what exactly has 1up brought to the game that eXi hasn't brought?

mazzelaar · 31 Jul 2006, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Plz enlighten me, what exactly has 1up brought to the game that eXi hasn't brought?

Continuity.

Tietäjä · 31 Jul 2006, 15:52

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Originally Posted by mazzelaar

Continuity.

Very much seconded here. The base on which eXilition works is the antithesis of continuity not only to itself but to the community at large.

JonnyBGood · 28 Jul 2006, 15:39

Nobody remembers who's #1 at tick 500. In fact the majority of the rounds since r10 I'm pretty sure the alliance that was #1 at tick 500 hasn't gone on to win it.

Tomkat · 28 Jul 2006, 15:46

What?

You said "we havent seen Exiltion play without allies".

I showed you that we have - and if you click on the Alliance page in PA you can quite clearly see that we are seeing them play without allies.

Oh I see - you MEANT to say "we havent seen exilition win a round without allies". You should word your posts more clearly

Well I'll refer you to my other point - inviting the entire universe to attack an alliance by releasing their coords and regularly updated scans is NOT the same as forming an alliance with another ally of 65 members.