who's gonna be blamed this time

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Stress

lol
this is better then neighbours / days og our lives etc

hell this is better then dawson

most things r better than 'dawson' (assuming u r reffering to dawsons creek ofc)

[WebAngel]

I dont deny having posted my login info. But the use made of it is not my fault at all. I know that most of the login/password for most of the WinNT stations are Administrator/<Enter> still I am not a hacker, some are.

[Salt]

Hi, get a sense of humor, thanks!

(this was directed at ronnie's post but there have been quite a few since then).

If I were replying to WA's posts it would have been:

Hi, get a bit of common sense, thanks!

[Grim]

roonie no offence but u are now on thin ice... u dont really know much about these things.. no offence

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Stress

u do that, no fun when only a few have it

tomorrow, when i hav had a sleep.

[QazokRouge5]

Originally Posted by Maddix

LMAO

1 - if a HC is stupid enough to do that and they have someone within their alliance that is willing to take advantage to do that its their own bloody fault for being so stupid and/or being cheating fkers (why the hell do you copy and paste your login details anywhere anyway, other than account sharing?). Next you'll roll the ticker back when a HC kicks someone and they organise retals on them fs.

2 - none of you have the required access to sort the problem?!?! Suggested solution: refere to part 1

n00bs, the lot of you, total n00bs

Edit: apparently it was pasted 'somewhere public' so apologises to all the (I'm sure) loyal Fang'ers
Edit 2: apparently it was also pasted deliberately because a certain Fang HC was having a tantrum over a certain recent 'incident' - this gets better I tell you

Such a sweet tempered fellow you are.

Did it ever occur to you, my puffed up popinjay, that there could be an excellent reason as to why this happened? (This excellent reason has yet to be discovered.)

No. No, like all other PA players you alone think, feel, and know exactly what happens in all of the channels. Has it ever occured to you, while feeling so hard-done-by, to note that you have absolutely no inkling of a sliver of knowledge that puts you in a position to comment?

Obviously not.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Grim

roonie no offence but u are now on thin ice... u dont really know much about these things.. no offence

oh yeah, forgot to mention, at our meeting about fang disbanding Jurgen and Grim were invited.


no idea why.

got sum nice quotes that cud shed sum light on it tho.

log of evening comin tomorrow.

last point before i go to bed, to stop the flaming, it wasnt FAnG HC who got the ticks stopped, it was Dragons.

thanx to Grim for that.

[Merlin]

What it really looks like is webangel screwed everyone.

[Stress]

Originally Posted by merlin1955

What it really looks like is webangel screwed everyone.

BINGO

[Norseman]

Originally Posted by WebAngel

I dont deny having posted my login info. But the use made of it is not my fault at all. I know that most of the login/password for most of the WinNT stations are Administrator/<Enter> still I am not a hacker, some are.

to have been gifted with such an attitude must be a living hell...

[Marinho]

Originally Posted by WebAngel

I dont deny having posted my login info. But the use made of it is not my fault at all. I know that most of the login/password for most of the WinNT stations are Administrator/<Enter> still I am not a hacker, some are.

If you ever going to run a lottery I won't hesitate asking what the winning number will be

[Deepflow]

webangel probably leads a happy life in his wonderful trusting world

[Salt]

oh yeah, forgot to mention, at our meeting about fang disbanding Jurgen and Grim were invited.


no idea why.

Because Dragons would want to pick up the largest fang members that didn't plan on quitting the game ofc. It would be Dragon's only possible way of 'winning' the round at this point (although I'm sure everyone would agree that taking on a few large planets at the very end of a round just to win would be the most pathetic 'victory' ever).

[^Myst3r13s^]

if i got to blame any1 i will blame santa... for giving eet a x-mas presant of roiding fang for free

[GlowDog]

WebAngel dont worry about it mate, slip-of-the-mouse .. sjit happens ... SPANK the lameass who abused it though.

[Hurragutten]

There is only one logic outcome of this:

a) The planet of that HC is closed and deleted.
b) All FAnG planets that were kicked from the ingame ally are added again
c) Ticks start

The one that should be punished here is quite clearly the FAnG HC, none of his members.

[The Seal]

Originally Posted by Hurragutten

The one that should be punished here is quite clearly the FAnG HC, none of his members.

and perhaps the abuser?

[Nitros]

Originally Posted by Maddix

This is sooooooooo going to be abused...

Scenario -

Alliance BC: "**** we can't cover all our incoming, what can we do?"
Alliance HC: "I know I'll accidently paste my login details somewhere, some **** will log in (if no-one does I'll get peon1 to do it) and they'll stop the ticker for us!"
Alliance BC: "genius sir, total genius!"

:snowman: :tree: :lol: :tree: :snowman:

[Spearhead]

Hey me and my 5 friends have made an alliance too, so dont dare to attack us, cause i'll spout my login and pwd on #support and ask a mate to delete my 5 friends, game will be stopped, ticks will be turned back and we all win \o/ hahahaahah FaGs are such fangs....

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by xtothez

Please don't tarnish the names of a whole block over the actions of one person (not even confirmed as a member of said block), and we won't disgrace the name of fang over the sheer ****ing idiocy of someone else.

Deal?

heh, I think everyone including your own alliance already did so ...

no deal, sorry

rgds Kj

[Wakko]

Originally Posted by Hurragutten

There is only one logic outcome of this:

a) The planet of that HC is closed and deleted.
b) All FAnG planets that were kicked from the ingame ally are added again
c) Ticks start

The one that should be punished here is quite clearly the FAnG HC, none of his members.

CANT U READ?????
webangel isnt guilty, read his post FFS!!

[Kjeldoran]

this will hopefully be my last post on this particular thread.

First of all, Webby did post his login details in a public channel. Why? cause he asked NB3 to be deleted, but got refused. Then he felt the urge to do a completely idiotic yet funny action, like posting his details in #support. For that, you can flame him. I doubt he even cares what a bunch of trolls say about him.

Nway, fact is that there is a cheater who took advantage of this. Yes it was presented to him on a golden plate but even then, it does not give anyone the right to do this. Like the rest of you, I have no clue who did this. But if I find out it was an EET'er then I think I'll have the biggest laugh in my life over this.

Nway, these are the simple facts, which now everyone knows. Ask me for logs if you cannot believe this, this is what happened.

Becides this, I'm happy to inform you all that I screwed up in FAnG yesterday evening and most of this shit can be blamed on me personally nway. So if you feel like the urge (which you have this entire round) to make fun of FAnG, then plz do about me but leave FAnG and 95% of them who have not a single involvement in any of this alone.

I understand the trolling and mocking, some didn't even have to put on different suits ... Though from a few respected pple like Zhil I'm negatively surprised

And 1 more thing, towards all the whiners (mostly ely pple), FAnG DID NOT ASK to have the ticks stopped. Ofc we don't mind, and I'm sure some FAnGers have asked for it but PA took this decision without any official request from FAnG

rgds Kj, former FAnG CEO

[Eventh]

Originally Posted by Rumad

This is 3 pages of absolute drivel.

WA has acted inappropriately, but in my opinion so did the admins that could have stopped that immediately. The lack of action after such inappropriate actions were taken makes the members of the team that ignored it as bad if not worse than the instigator.

To compound matters someone has tried to benefit from this complete cluster f*ck. The person that logged in and deleted the members deserve to be deleted themselves.

Simply there can only be one solution - a rollback to the point in time were the digression happened. This would return the status quo as no alliance deserves to suffer for the actions which occured.

In my opinion webbie should be deleted and then those that logged in hopefully deleetd also.

If a war gets to such a stage that it requires the opposition (however they were) to take advantage in such a way the game has descended to a level which I am glad not to be playing.

Webbie you have always been a good mate and a good community player, but these actiosn were poor.

The HC's that wanted to remove FAnG mid round - whatever teh pressure, whatever the situation - its wrong to leave members hanging like that - thats why FAnG wasn't disbanded mid round 8 and why it should not be disbanded now....

Everyone else flaming and mocking should get a grip - everyone messes up - not right to spend 2 days mocking the situation..

Very true

[The Seal]

Originally Posted by Rumad

This is 3 pages of absolute drivel.

Simply there can only be one solution - a rollback to the point in time were the digression happened. This would return the status quo as no alliance deserves to suffer for the actions which occured.

Or perhaps just recall fleets launched on unprotected FanG planets and reinsert them into their alliance. That way you will not ruin one nights play for 2000 other players who were in no way affected by this incident.

A thought?

[The Seal]

· Account Sharing: Allowing anyone besides yourself to access
your account or to access any account other than your own.

pasting information in a public chanel is not asking anybody to log in, but can you deny that it is "allowing anyone..."?

just curious as somone said sombody hadn't broken the rules.

enlightment appriciated

[Damon]

I doubt WA wanted this all to happen,posting ur details if a way to get urself deleted.
He just didnt think about what some people might to with is.

More people are to blaim here imho.
-The person who logged in and kicked the members (if this happend)
-Also if the admin would just have changed his password, this also wouldnt have happend.

I truelly hope that FAnG will stay because what else do we have to fight?

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Salt

This is clearly the best strategy to use next time ND + Vision + Fang + Dragons decide to all launch on Ecl same tick.

maybe a good strategy would be for eclipse to not let you posting ?

[kaos]

Originally Posted by Rumad

HE never allowed anyone - its a words thing, but someone gained teh details (through webbies actions) and "used" the account. As he wished to be deleted anyway this shouldn't really be an issue (He wanted to be deleted anyway). The illegitimacy came from the individual who then logged in for his / his alliance / his BG's gain.

Originally Posted by eula

You may not disclose your password to any third party.

well, lets all blame nb3 now, because he didn't remove him from the game asap ... ofc no other guy is to blame
how can you expect that nobody will use your account info if you post it in a public channel. its like going to a crouded place and giving everyone there a weapon, you really think there will be no one using this weapon ? i wonder in what world you live wa, but it can't be anywhere here on earth.
but yes ofc, its not the fault of wa, but eet, because the evil block abused it ... but when heartless gave you the eet coord list you did never look at it, etc ... you'r just SO funny

[Tomkat]

Heh, what a load of drivel.

Webangel was silly to do that, we've established it. He should have removed his HC access and left FAnG in-game if he was going to do this. But never mind. It's water under the bridge now.

Some people are complaining about how PA Team reacted to this - I honestly think they did a good job. If this had happened to Eclipse (although I doubt it ever would), I'd want to be readded in-game, and have a decent fight.

If FAnG are to lose, it should be on a level playing field. Not because people have taken advantage of an internal problem due to noone being able to defend.

Anyway, hope we all had a nice sleep, and the battle should be recommencing in 16 hours or so, albeit minus one FAnG HC who should now be deleted.

Kjel - why are you stepping down as CEO? It wasn't you who posted your un/pw in the public channel.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by WebAngel

First of all you can find the how to build a nuclear bomb on internet but its not a reason for me to build a nuclear weapon. You can give me a gun I wont shoot you. You cangive me your credit cards number I wont use it. Some can call that stupidity, I call that honesty.
When I paste my login details for being closed (I have my reasons for it and its none of your business) I dont expect some of the EET supporters to log in my account and use it to do the lowest crappiest and uggliest move ever made into PA. I didnt know that doing such a low thing was so laughable, tells me a lot about the fighting spirit of EET and their fair play, to sumup better get the players deleted and use tricks like that than to fight in a fair fight. Should I say cowards, well no because all of you dont deserve it but this is another reason for me to be proud to NOT be EET (aka wannabe winner at all cost).

I can't believe you make such an enourmous £uck up and have the audacity to try to deflect this onto you in-game enemies. If this is some sort of parting PR stunt for FAnG it has gone horribly wrong. You held a position of responsibility and you forgot that in a moment of selfish stupidity and screwed over a lot of innocent players. Be a man, admit you're wrong.

Originally Posted by ronnie

anyway, my point was, if sum1 did this (for example Focht, this isnt a flame, its an example) what would you all, as eclipse members, feel/do/react ?

If a member of Eclipse high command did this I would feel that there had been a grave error in judgement in our behalf in not identifying that this person was not suitable to hold such responsibility, and I would be very ashamed.

Originally Posted by WebAngel

I dont deny having posted my login info. But the use made of it is not my fault at all. I know that most of the login/password for most of the WinNT stations are Administrator/<Enter> still I am not a hacker, some are.

Suppose you throw some money into the middle of a crowd and a large fight starts, are you not in any way responsible? Ass.

Originally Posted by merlin1955

What it really looks like is webangel screwed everyone.

No comment on this one, it speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Becides this, I'm happy to inform you all that I screwed up in FAnG yesterday evening and most of this shit can be blamed on me personally nway. So if you feel like the urge (which you have this entire round) to make fun of FAnG, then plz do about me but leave FAnG and 95% of them who have not a single involvement in any of this alone.

And 1 more thing, towards all the whiners (mostly ely pple), FAnG DID NOT ASK to have the ticks stopped. Ofc we don't mind, and I'm sure some FAnGers have asked for it but PA took this decision without any official request from FAnG

Your only mistake was to promote WA in the first place.

As for FAnG speaking to the PAteam, I know Ice-Lady (a FAnG officer and PAteam member) spoke to Mit about this. Whether she was acting in one role or the other I don't know. I agree that stopping ticks was the best thing to do. It was frustrating for us (Eclipse attack dept.) that we had just launched (coincidently) a decent attack on FAnG after what had been a very successful weekend campaign, but this isn't the first time that we've been screwed over by ticks stopping, and I doubt it will be the last.

Originally Posted by Legator

maybe a good strategy would be for eclipse to not let you posting ?

Like anyone cares what Vsn think.

[Hurragutten]

Originally Posted by The Seal

· Account Sharing: Allowing anyone besides yourself to access
your account or to access any account other than your own.

pasting information in a public chanel is not asking anybody to log in, but can you deny that it is "allowing anyone..."?

just curious as somone said sombody hadn't broken the rules.

enlightment appriciated

Ofc posting your login/pass anywhere is alowing others to access their account. If you are the owner of a debit card and keep your pin code and card at the same place, I am sure that you will be considered responsible when someone mugs you and withdraws your savings. My guess is that arguing: "I didn't say they were alowed to withdraw all my savings" will come very short. The same goes ofc if someone comes to your home and steal your VCR, DVD-player etc when the door was unlocked. Would like to see the insurance company paying for the complete loss in that case.

If telling your login/pass to someone should not be considered "alowing anyone....", each ally could have a list of every single login/pass, but none saying directly : "I am alowing people to access". Then noone is to blame when one person access every single account.

As I have no clue how long it took from the posting until the deletion of FAnG members, I have no background for flaming administrators for not doing anything earlier.

WA should be deleted.
All FAnGs should be put back in the ingame ally immediately.
Ticks should start with all fleets grounded.

My guess is it's not easy to verify who entered WAs account, but if you have proof he should be punished in some way too.,

[kaos]

Originally Posted by Rumad

I expect no one to use details like thaat illegitimately because its also against the eula and is also morally wrong as it effects others that should not be effected.

It is WA's fault, it is NB3's fault and it is the person that used the account details fault.

No one is blameless, but no one in FAnG deserves to suffer for the miriad of people at fault.

i never said fang should suffer.
but i guess the fangers are the ppl suffering least, instead ALL other customers are suffering (attacks being ****ed up, etc ...) just because ONE guy had the great idea of posting the details to an HC account on a PUBLIC channel.
and what if someone used the acc who doesn't have another account ? then HE can't even be blamed, because he acted totally withhin the rules (because actually there are no rules for him, because he never signed the eula, so he is free in his actions. That he got the data thru a non eula compliant way doesn't really matter here imho)

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by Rumad

Dissecting things wnt make any difference - someone took advantage of a pisspoor situation.

WA was at fault for actingf irrationally, but lots of people act irrationally and it doesn't mean that there actions affect that of the entire alliance. I think webbie knows he ahs done wrong, but is still angry at the moron that logged in. Don't you agree that that is as bad as the first instance irrational act?

If it had happened to eclipse I would hope people showed leniency to those that were affected but not at fault. No one deserves to lose in such a way no matter how frustrating it is for anyone's war department.

As for VsN - i do believe he has a right to say what he wants without punitive flames so keep on topic

There are enough pricks in this game, but most of them don't hold positions of responsibility. What WA did was to put tools in their hands. He should have known better.

I do honestly feel sorry for the innocent FAnG members. I am also frustrated for Eclipse members who had just launched on raids which we had spent hours setting up to be frozen at ETA 7 and have another night's efforts wasted due to matters beyond their control.

As for Vsn, it was a flame of a flame. Two wrongs don't make a right, but that's never stopped AD posters.

[omslemming]

Screw Fang pa team stop being so up thier a**`s why should the whole game be stopped just becasue one player messed up im not in fang as are many others and it doesnt effect us we dont give a damm so restart the game already, if a fang hc did the deed then he can take responsablity for the members that are now alliance less and lets face it ne1 who posts a password in a public forum needs a brain transplant neway lol fact is you say youve stopped the game to help out the fang members who are now allianceless and find out who did it etc but youve also inconvicned a heck of a lot of players who arent in fang and dont give 2 sh**s about fang its thier problem let them and the hc who did the deed have to pay the price not us.

[omslemming]

casue one player messes up his own alliance the whole game is stopped and every1 not in fang has to deal with attack etas messing up not being able to produce nething not being able to even play the game? yeah seems fair enogh in the pa teams mind lol no question what alliance they favour doubt theyd do the same thing if it was sum1 like swarm or vgk or one of the other smaller alliances.

[Maddix]

Originally Posted by QazokRouge5

No. No, like all other PA players you alone think, feel, and know exactly what happens in all of the channels. Has it ever occured to you, while feeling so hard-done-by, to note that you have absolutely no inkling of a sliver of knowledge that puts you in a position to comment?

Obviously not.

Care to enlighten us then , Mr Current Affairs?

Oh wait, you probably know about as much about this as you've ever done about anything PA related you've felt the need to provide your wisdom on, so we can ignore you then

[Wandows]

Originally Posted by omslemming

lot of players who arent in fang and dont give 2 sh**s about fang its thier problem let them and the hc who did the deed have to pay the price not us.

so?

does that make right what happend?

i personally don't think it was smart of WA, but the person who kicked those FAnG'ers is far worse then WA could ever be in this issue.... I agree with most he could have expected someone to login to the account.... hell.. even take the memberlist. But kicking those ppl is the saddest and lowest thing i have ever seen ( i rather have ppl in the game who cheat 1 way or another then such a sad prick) and the person who did that should be banned from everything related to planetarion.

imho its not WA's fault the game got stopped.... its the person who kicked those members who made the mistake...

and to (most of) the EET replyers here..... u r fking sad that you find this funny.....

Still Lol

Lol

Originally Posted by Rumad

Intelligent and articulate reply - adn waht would you do if teh shoe was on the other foot out of interest?

EET aint retarded unlike fag*





* FAnG

[omslemming]

well I wouldnt want the whole game stopped just so i could get back in my alliance im not that selfish.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by Wandows

and to (most of) the EET replyers here..... u r fking sad that you find this funny.....

Rumad! Rumad! VsN flamed us!

[kaos]

Originally Posted by Rumad

As already stated WA has his part to play, but all I am thinking of is the 130 or so FAnG members who have been left high and dry. I know he is not blameless and that waht he did was silly and whoeevr logged in was callous. As I say no one is blameless, but you have to have a fair and reasonable response

Its easy to say "Webangel *boo* *hiss*", but at the end of the dya he has sunk mucho money into pa to keep the game interesting - he is a passionate froggie who acts in emotional ways. However someoen using that data and a admin failing to stop in game abuse is also not right.

All teh flaming of weebie or the mocking won't help - simply the situation has to ebr esolved for those indivudals who will lose roids for the actions of one or through the mallicious and callous actions of those that logged in.

well, you better read was posts again, he strictly declines ANY liability for the actions done with his account. and THATS the reason why HE imho is to blame most of all. ofc everyone can do ****ups (i do enough of em myself ) but not accepting you did a ****up afterwards is the _real_ ****up.
and when i see the arrogance in those posts of the fang hcs i could just throw up

[Legator]

Originally Posted by RealJames

I
Like anyone cares what Vsn think.

seems he did

as we want that you people care about us.....you all dont even realize the bs you all talk (all = 90% of the people)

some really need to get a life.

[omslemming]

I cant belive how seriously this is being taken youd think sum1 had died as a result of this guys actions not just some people have been kicked from an alliance in a silly little net game dont get me wrong i like pa but thats all it is to me I didnt wake up this morning and go OH MY GOD SUM1S DELETED FANG HOLD EVERYTHING! lol i came online saw my attack was still in waiting becasue some dumb fu** got out his password in irc ignored it came back on now saw my attack was still in waiting got a little peed off as id really like to see what happens 2 my fleet before i go out later and came on here to vent my discust at the whole game being stopped becasue of a fang hc. fact is...pa team restart the game the whole world is not going to stop if fang gets messed up and a lot of peeps just want to keep on playing the game not giving a crap. i dont care weather its fair or not cause it is JUST A GAME the world outside wont really be effected much by this action lol and some peeps need to relise this.

[The Seal]

His reply might not be intelligent and articulate, but it does have a point.

Most players are not in FanG and the orgin of this stop was in control of a person entrusted with HC-position in FanG.

[omslemming]

rumad as i just stated its just a game if i was a fang member i really wouldnt be 2 upset and i certainly wouldnt want every1 to suffer by having the game stopped i dont base my whole world round this game unlike some

[omslemming]

exactly right the seal.... if a fang hc was the guy that messed up then he can deal with it not the rest of us im off now cant be arsed to stay here all day ive better things 2 do but before i go ill just say pa team restart the damm game already! if i come back on 2nite and find my attack still in waiting the cute little bunny wabbit dies!

Originally Posted by Rumad

Nice post - your mom show you that one?

Also you seem to mock teh entire of FAnG rather than the idviduals at fault (Admins for not changing, individual for logging in and webbie for his actions). try harder dreadn00b and you might even sound funny instead of retarded.

Or lets blame FAnG for having retarded HC in the first place, yeah i like that one.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by omslemming

blah blah blah

Noone is likely to read your posts if they're laid out like that. Put spaces in, and paragraphs.

AND SENTENCES ARE YOUR FRIEND.

[gzambo]

now that more info has been released it seems to me that thje following are to blame for ticks being stopped(all i really care about)

1. webangel for being dumb enough to post his un/psw
2. fang for givign him a position of trust
3. whoever was in #support that logged into his acc
4.whoever in #support that did not go change his details (NB3 i think could have saved this whole incident from happenning)

sidenote to KJ actions of ur members or fellow HC are not a reason to stepdown as someone else posted finish the rd then re-asses the situation