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Re: R66 who will win
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http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=201105
Basicly i got banned for throwing unwarranted accusations.
Lokken/moderator had forgot/missed the previous supporting data/evidence from earlier, wich had been allreading gone one or two cycles in prior threads allready.
Poor moderatorship basicly.
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Based on that how do you feel about Reaper being banned for 3 days?
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23 Apr 2016, 12:12
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Re: R66 who will win
Butcher: BF was being hit by ULT/Merc/CT/Bows/P3n/HR for a while, napped with ND/FL. Bows moved on to ND now with at least ULT/Merc, could be everyone else hitting ND too now, dunno, haven't asked. CT napped ULT, FL napped almost everyone, Bows napped almost everyone too. Have a look yourself: http://imgur.com/msNO05Z Basic PA round.
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23 Apr 2016, 16:32
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Re: R66 who will win
Long story short: the block failed to roid BF, BF is winning by a mile now, everyone else is trying to keep their members active for the remaining 2 weeks
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23 Apr 2016, 16:34
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Re: R66 who will win
... and attempting to avoid being roided into the ground by the vengeful BF
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23 Apr 2016, 18:49
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Re: R66 who will win
Funny, seems like nobody cares.
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23 Apr 2016, 19:10
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Re: R66 who will win
who would you expect to care? If there was not even enough care to be able to coordinate land times there is certainly not going to be much care now the block is over.
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23 Apr 2016, 20:31
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by NoXiouS
Butcher: BF was being hit by ULT/Merc/CT/Bows/P3n/HR for a while, napped with ND/FL. Bows moved on to ND now with at least ULT/Merc, could be everyone else hitting ND too now, dunno, haven't asked. CT napped ULT, FL napped almost everyone, Bows napped almost everyone too. Have a look yourself: http://imgur.com/msNO05Z Basic PA round.
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so in short... Faceless is winning?
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24 Apr 2016, 13:43
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Re: R66 who will win
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so in short... Faceless is winning?
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Exactly! Your high IQ made you come to that conclusion?
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24 Apr 2016, 13:47
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by DeeJay
Exactly! Your high IQ made you come to that conclusion?
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FL NAPed everyone, and ND warring BowS who NAPed almost everyone except for ND apparently.
FL is getting the sweater deal here
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24 Apr 2016, 21:20
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Re: R66 who will win
BB is talking about the fight for #2. #1 was decided two weeks ago.
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25 Apr 2016, 00:38
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Re: R66 who will win
the game turns into a "help me if u dont like them"...
so, FL dont help universe beat BF, bcoz they hate ULT too much...
ND dont help universe to stop BF, bcoz they hate ULT too much...
and in a war game, BF wins without having a single day of real troubles... im sure some lunatics will come and say "wtf joseph, we got 300 fleets a night" and i will answer, thats nothing... fleets means nothing, value does.. they used to make deals about number of launched fleets per wave, and thats crazy, bcoz if we combo 5 fleets, makes the same value from 1 big BF fleet.. so its not about fleets, but about the value u have to stop.. math...
so, going on... some will say. but bows was playing for ult.. well.. in a game were u have to pick ULT or NOTULT, its hard to stay away from this polarity... bows asked many alliances, many times, to help attack the fattest and biggest alliance around... and the answer was always. "if we do that, ult wins".. thats stupid. any other tag could win, if BF gone down.. not ult, not CT, maybe p3ng, fl, bows, nd.. but for fearing ULT win, they stop thinking about own tags, and play for others..
xoca, brazilian friend, said he hates ult so much, that was a great round just bcoz ult lost it.. patetic i can say.. and rap, said he prefer ct to win, but never ult... again, patetic.. so playing for another tag, means u cant do great and try a win... maybe, just maybe, u can end up with some nice ranks for players... but thats not the goal of the game... ofc only 1 can win.. but its a way better play with all tags atleast tryING to win...
the stats was stupid? i dont think so.. was a funny ofensive round. were ppl got roided, and had to go out attacking... dynamic round... with up and downs.. only thing im dissapointed is about ppl giving BF a win... just bcoz they hate ULT.. thats not a WIN, thats a BS round.. but i know BF for doing great politics, and the game is also about it.. so congratz.. im sure u have good core, played well, and diserve the trophy111
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25 Apr 2016, 02:16
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by DeeJay
Long story short: the block failed to roid BF, BF is winning by a mile now, everyone else is trying to keep their members active for the remaining 2 weeks
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Ult has played a blinder of a round with exception of its politics.... hit too many alliances to get support.
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25 Apr 2016, 03:15
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Paisley
Ult has played a blinder of a round with exception of its politics.... hit too many alliances to get support.
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Wasn't just CT?
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25 Apr 2016, 05:30
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by fortran
Wasn't just CT?
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the alliance relations ingame function is a cracking thing.
I think ULT has warred with CT/FL/ND (I cant blame ULT for doing this for previous rounds transgretions)
the problem was chimpie did not read up on machiavelli's art of war in particular....
Men ought either to be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so that the injury done to a man ought to be such that vengeance cannot be feared. Niccolo Machiavelli
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25 Apr 2016, 07:21
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Paisley
Men ought either to be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so that the injury done to a man ought to be such that vengeance cannot be feared. Niccolo Machiavelli
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How do you utterly destroy someone in a game in which there is always next round? It hardly need saying that some of the emnity towards ult is about previous rounds rather than this one. Edit: I should probably explain a little more; even if the HCs theoretically wipe the slate clean after each round (I don't know whether this is the case or not) members don't and HCs are influenced by what their member base wants to do.
There were other problems for ult in forming a block that you are not considering; with ult at first and most likely to gain from taking down BF why should anyone help them? Normally the incentive of roids and xp is pretty good but this time ult was launching after everyone else to try get those for itself. Moreover normally the auxiliaries can calculate that they won't be hit back, not the case this time where ult was a terrible target. And lo it is p3n and bows that are taking bows hit backs now that the block has collapsed.
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25 Apr 2016, 09:14
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
How do you utterly destroy someone in a game in which there is always next round? It hardly need saying that some of the emnity towards ult is about previous rounds rather than this one. Edit: I should probably explain a little more; even if the HCs theoretically wipe the slate clean after each round (I don't know whether this is the case or not) members don't and HCs are influenced by what their member base wants to do.
There were other problems for ult in forming a block that you are not considering; with ult at first and most likely to gain from taking down BF why should anyone help them? Normally the incentive of roids and xp is pretty good but this time ult was launching after everyone else to try get those for itself. Moreover normally the auxiliaries can calculate that they won't be hit back, not the case this time where ult was a terrible target. And lo it is p3n and bows that are taking bows hit backs now that the block has collapsed.
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Frankly It is not my problem, what im saying that slightly injuring 3-4 alliances this round is not the best strategy
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25 Apr 2016, 10:41
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Joseph
the game turns into a "help me if u dont like them"...
so, FL dont help universe beat BF, bcoz they hate ULT too much...
ND dont help universe to stop BF, bcoz they hate ULT too much...
and in a war game, BF wins without having a single day of real troubles... im sure some lunatics will come and say "wtf joseph, we got 300 fleets a night" and i will answer, thats nothing... fleets means nothing, value does.. they used to make deals about number of launched fleets per wave, and thats crazy, bcoz if we combo 5 fleets, makes the same value from 1 big BF fleet.. so its not about fleets, but about the value u have to stop.. math...
so, going on... some will say. but bows was playing for ult.. well.. in a game were u have to pick ULT or NOTULT, its hard to stay away from this polarity... bows asked many alliances, many times, to help attack the fattest and biggest alliance around... and the answer was always. "if we do that, ult wins".. thats stupid. any other tag could win, if BF gone down.. not ult, not CT, maybe p3ng, fl, bows, nd.. but for fearing ULT win, they stop thinking about own tags, and play for others..
xoca, brazilian friend, said he hates ult so much, that was a great round just bcoz ult lost it.. patetic i can say.. and rap, said he prefer ct to win, but never ult... again, patetic.. so playing for another tag, means u cant do great and try a win... maybe, just maybe, u can end up with some nice ranks for players... but thats not the goal of the game... ofc only 1 can win.. but its a way better play with all tags atleast tryING to win...
the stats was stupid? i dont think so.. was a funny ofensive round. were ppl got roided, and had to go out attacking... dynamic round... with up and downs.. only thing im dissapointed is about ppl giving BF a win... just bcoz they hate ULT.. thats not a WIN, thats a BS round.. but i know BF for doing great politics, and the game is also about it.. so congratz.. im sure u have good core, played well, and diserve the trophy111
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very good lost Joseph
I agree with all of that
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25 Apr 2016, 13:47
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by Joseph
the game turns into a "help me if u dont like them"...
so, FL dont help universe beat BF, bcoz they hate ULT too much...
ND dont help universe to stop BF, bcoz they hate ULT too much...
and in a war game, BF wins without having a single day of real troubles... im sure some lunatics will come and say "wtf joseph, we got 300 fleets a night" and i will answer, thats nothing... fleets means nothing, value does.. they used to make deals about number of launched fleets per wave, and thats crazy, bcoz if we combo 5 fleets, makes the same value from 1 big BF fleet.. so its not about fleets, but about the value u have to stop.. math...
so, going on... some will say. but bows was playing for ult.. well.. in a game were u have to pick ULT or NOTULT, its hard to stay away from this polarity... bows asked many alliances, many times, to help attack the fattest and biggest alliance around... and the answer was always. "if we do that, ult wins".. thats stupid. any other tag could win, if BF gone down.. not ult, not CT, maybe p3ng, fl, bows, nd.. but for fearing ULT win, they stop thinking about own tags, and play for others..
xoca, brazilian friend, said he hates ult so much, that was a great round just bcoz ult lost it.. patetic i can say.. and rap, said he prefer ct to win, but never ult... again, patetic.. so playing for another tag, means u cant do great and try a win... maybe, just maybe, u can end up with some nice ranks for players... but thats not the goal of the game... ofc only 1 can win.. but its a way better play with all tags atleast tryING to win...
the stats was stupid? i dont think so.. was a funny ofensive round. were ppl got roided, and had to go out attacking... dynamic round... with up and downs.. only thing im dissapointed is about ppl giving BF a win... just bcoz they hate ULT.. thats not a WIN, thats a BS round.. but i know BF for doing great politics, and the game is also about it.. so congratz.. im sure u have good core, played well, and diserve the trophy111
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Everyone does not have to TRY to win.
But "kingmaking"/"supporting" another tag for no reason at all, even if it will cost your own planets ranks, might be kind of destructive in rounds like this.
Instead of making sure "teh blockers" target BF, ND is yet again trying to destroy their own planets by being stupid, by the looks of it.
From a outsiders view this round, a few alliances out there seemed to decide just not to care this round, and going for XP after looking at the stats.
BF decided to go for a slow and steady strategy, and managed to get the usual suspect ND, and FL on their side to secure themself they couldnt be touched.
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25 Apr 2016, 13:51
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Re: R66 who will win
Joseph, you had on your side in the block:
Ultores/Mercenaries/Rainbows/P3nguins/HowlingRain and for the last two days also Conspiracy all hitting BlackFlag.
Yes, Blackflag grounded and had like 5-6 active dcs who scanned and prelaunched defence.
You got owned, but thats not because you did not have the fleets or value upperhand. You both outvalued and outfleeted your opponent, it was simply because your alliance is not a good enough war machine.
The Rainbows attacks was pathetic at best.
So start fixing things where you can, inside your own ranks.
You are angry at Faceless and Newdawn for not joining in, never have you or never will you see a block consisting of every organised alliance playing the game as you wanted this time.
This block was as big as any other major block in the last 5-6 rounds.
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25 Apr 2016, 14:08
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by SDN
You got owned, but thats not because you did not have the fleets or value upperhand. You both outvalued and outfleeted your opponent, it was simply because your alliance is not a good enough war machine.
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I was told a regular BF planet could easily self-cover against a 7 ultores planets fi wave. Correct me if I am wrong, but having ships is part of the requirements to be considered a war machine. BF is not the ultimate defense force, BF has a very good defense, but if it bled at most 5% per day it is not because it exceeded its own capacity but because the lack of value compensated for the quantity.
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The Rainbows attacks was pathetic at best.
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Bows is the only other race focused on CR for attack. BF had its scarabs only for Bows. And you built a considerable value in scarabs since you had already dealt with Bows aggression and were expecting more. So it was expected that you felt it was easy to block Bows incs. I feel the same when I see CT incs.
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25 Apr 2016, 14:40
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
How do you utterly destroy someone in a game in which there is always next round? It hardly need saying that some of the emnity towards ult is about previous rounds rather than this one. Edit: I should probably explain a little more; even if the HCs theoretically wipe the slate clean after each round (I don't know whether this is the case or not) members don't and HCs are influenced by what their member base wants to do.
There were other problems for ult in forming a block that you are not considering; with ult at first and most likely to gain from taking down BF why should anyone help them? Normally the incentive of roids and xp is pretty good but this time ult was launching after everyone else to try get those for itself. Moreover normally the auxiliaries can calculate that they won't be hit back, not the case this time where ult was a terrible target. And lo it is p3n and bows that are taking bows hit backs now that the block has collapsed.
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Ult was either launching at the given landticks or before and after them, since we did 2 raids. Anything else you been told is pretty much bollocks.
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25 Apr 2016, 17:59
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Re: R66 who will win
As a scanner I have not been told anything, it was an observation from jgps Which of course means you may have launched, recalled and relaunched before I noticed (or perhaps your second raid is simply the better attended). Either way there seems to have been a lack of block coordination which as the primary with the main incentive really comes down to Ult. It is certainly hard to believe that "Ultores/Mercenaries/Rainbows/P3nguins/HowlingRain and for the last two days also Conspiracy" were all hitting BF in a coordinated fashion and only managed to knock a couple of thousand roids a day off BF. (surely that should be around 400 fleets given ult and ct both 3 fleeting?) Finally there seems to have been a problem with durability given how short a time it lasted but this could have been caused by any of the alliances.
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25 Apr 2016, 18:15
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
It is certainly hard to believe that "Ultores/Mercenaries/Rainbows/P3nguins/HowlingRain and for the last two days also Conspiracy" were all hitting BF in a coordinated fashion and only managed to knock a couple of thousand roids a day off BF. (surely that should be around 400 fleets given ult and ct both 3 fleeting?) Finally there seems to have been a problem with durability given how short a time it lasted but this could have been caused by any of the alliances.
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I was told a regular BF planet could easily self-cover against a 7 ultores planets fi wave.
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So with 60 regular BF planets, it would take take over 7 ultores tags just to start breaking through EMP/Kill or what not.
Its not that hard to belive.
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Re: R66 who will win
Except that six tags were mentioned; the total values of those tags is 528million, almost two and a half times BFs value. Even assuming perfect DCing getting on for half of incs should be going through if the coalition is all launching together. The only conclusions are a, alliances involved were half-hearted or b, they were badly organised and coordinated (or Skydivenaked is exaggerating and there were not really 6 alliances involved ).
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Re: R66 who will win
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So with 60 regular BF planets, it would take take over 7 ultores tags just to start breaking through EMP/Kill or what not.
Its not that hard to belive.
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Intel shows around 15 xans which would be easy targets and primary targets of the fi waves and around 25 caths which would take many fleets to break emp. The xans, many defwhores, are in the bottom of the top 60. So where those allies could do most harm was where BF would feel the least.
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Either way there seems to have been a lack of block coordination
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My impression is that several times when one alliance agreed to hit BF, it ended up putting some or all of its force somewhere else. for example, I noticed the night all alliances were supposed to be hitting BF, CT got heavily roided.
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Re: R66 who will win
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You got owned,
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
Except that six tags were mentioned; the total values of those tags is 528million, almost two and a half times BFs value. Even assuming perfect DCing getting on for half of incs should be going through if the coalition is all launching together. The only conclusions are a, alliances involved were half-hearted or b, they were badly organised and coordinated (or Skydivenaked is exaggerating and there were not really 6 alliances involved ).
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you need 7 Ult tags + CT to even start breaking through selfcover.
And im sure that not all of BFs fleet value is in ship that targets CT/Ults FI(?).
Basicly 6 alliances isnt enough, if the block ahd 12-14 alliances they would been able to roid BF.
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Re: R66 who will win
The average value of an ult xan is 1192.9k. Since they are almost entirely made of fi that is going to be 200-250k fi each. If p3n intel is correct they have 54 xans so lets say 11,880k fi. This needs 2.9mil beets to emp or 2.8mil clips. Lets presume half of each that is 41mil value to kill Ult’s fleets. To do this 7 times over would require 287mil value in anti fi. With BF having only 193mil value your math is a bit suspect. Of course in the case of clipps you wont need to kill all that value so it might just about be possible. But then what do you do about the other alliance's ships that are not Fi? We are talking about a ST round; BF surely only have at most a third of their total value in anti fi.
Edit: But yes I agree with fortran there were conga lines on the xans which as you say were expendable. As a result there was probably a lot more value free to fight of the waves there were on the value cats and ziks. This however too means there was poor coordination.
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Re: R66 who will win
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Joseph, you had on your side in the block:
Ultores/Mercenaries/Rainbows/P3nguins/HowlingRain and for the last two days also Conspiracy all hitting BlackFlag.
Yes, Blackflag grounded and had like 5-6 active dcs who scanned and prelaunched defence.
You got owned, but thats not because you did not have the fleets or value upperhand. You both outvalued and outfleeted your opponent, it was simply because your alliance is not a good enough war machine.
The Rainbows attacks was pathetic at best.
So start fixing things where you can, inside your own ranks.
You are angry at Faceless and Newdawn for not joining in, never have you or never will you see a block consisting of every organised alliance playing the game as you wanted this time.
This block was as big as any other major block in the last 5-6 rounds.
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Ok... U want me to believe that bows (yes ppl, bows) was the one to lead something against BF? U must be kiding me right?
The universe was all waiting some1 to take down Bf, no1 did it.
And bows (yes ppl, the good bows we all know) was hitting 3 planets from BF only, and couldnt make more then 3 waves, plus, no more then 5 fleets each wave.
So tell us bows was pwned is kinda, well, patetic... We have plenty new players, and never, ever planned to be top contender...
And please, dont compare this mediocre block with the other ones... I scanned all BF planets... Peng never launched many fleets, hr did better then them... Ct claimed and what? Sent a few dumbass fleets??? Ult was the one pushing hard, and bows, well, we r doing great imho... Better then many others old and great war machines alliances...
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25 Apr 2016, 19:36
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a bucket
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: R66 who will win
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The Rainbows attacks was pathetic at best.
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bows was hitting 3 planets from BF only, and couldnt make more then 3 waves, plus, no more then 5 fleets each wave.
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So 45 fleets?
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Peng never launched many fleets
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We were sending our usual 60 odd, not great for an alliance that is supposedly an attacking alliance but hardly a disaster.
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25 Apr 2016, 19:57
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Re: R66 who will win
I think as many in Bows focused on amps rather than dists, the lack of ability to fake fleets worked in favor of BF too. 45 fleets was all of the Cr fleets available.
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25 Apr 2016, 20:02
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Re: R66 who will win
I'M BAAAACK
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Peng never launched many fleets)
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We some nights hit just BF some we hit a mixed bag.
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Originally Posted by Joseph
And bows (yes ppl, the good bows we all know) was hitting 3 planets from BF only, and couldnt make more then 3 waves, plus, no more then 5 fleets each wave.
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Even on our mixed bag nights we hit more BF than that. Maybe you should look inward before you complain to everyone else.
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25 Apr 2016, 20:06
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Join Date: May 2007
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by booji
So 45 fleets?
We were sending our usual 60 odd, not great for an alliance that is supposedly an attacking alliance but hardly a disaster.
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Joseph went all emo because he did jgp on targets before we even launched. Classic failure. Even bows hc had to lol at his attempts to whine at what we were doing. Joseph spends more time on ult raids so I guess he is best placed to comment on those but no one elses.
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25 Apr 2016, 21:17
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: R66 who will win
Round isn't quite mathematically over yet but if it goes as expected then the call to hit BF was too little too late given that they had agreements in place to manage incoming. The universe let them get away with an alarming amount of value - maybe people were concerned with ultores getting away, but no one took the risk, because hardly anyone does. If black flag and ult had swapped places, I think the decisions made would be different.
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25 Apr 2016, 21:41
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Join Date: May 2014
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by lokken
Round isn't quite mathematically over yet but if it goes as expected then the call to hit BF was too little too late given that they had agreements in place to manage incoming. The universe let them get away with an alarming amount of value - maybe people were concerned with ultores getting away, but no one took the risk, because hardly anyone does. If black flag and ult had swapped places, I think the decisions made would be different.
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I think that more allies would have been apt to go after Ult but I also think the stats made more people feel it was a toss away round.
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25 Apr 2016, 22:53
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by ReaperSix
I think that more allies would have been apt to go after Ult but I also think the stats made more people feel it was a toss away round.
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maybe its time to toss away the stats chief then
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25 Apr 2016, 23:59
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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Re: R66 who will win
iirc the 1st night of hitting bf most of the caths had ~100-150k beets... by night 2 it was more of and avg 200k beets per cath.
to save time
<Ultores> 200000 Beetle (1422k) hitting Fighter will hug Harpy: 630000 (2841.3k) Spider: 680000 (2720k) Phantom: 830000 (3187.2k) Banshee: 820000 (3148.8k) Illusion: 870000 (3262.5k) Corsair: 680000 (3005.6k) Lancer: 790000 (3160k)
emp is retarded stronk!
yes the avg ult planet has ~200k fi!
also as it was pointed out BF started sending pl clipper def + xan def planets with ~200k+ revs. who wants to take a gamble on which of the 3 fleets of def is real or fake? (1 guy landed a fake for lolz and would have landed on 305k revs + beets)
so yeah ult/mercs needed to send teamups of around 5+ planets just to break emp let alone account for def
as for bows on more then 1 occasion i saw fleets hitting the NDs in my gal (theres 6 of them) 1 morning i saw atleast 5 bows fleets hitting 2 planets which could have gone at BF.
all in all the fight with BF could have been better but they put up a good fight imo
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26 Apr 2016, 02:42
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by darkzidane
iirc the 1st night of hitting bf most of the caths had ~100-150k beets... by night 2 it was more of and avg 200k beets per cath.
to save time
<Ultores> 200000 Beetle (1422k) hitting Fighter will hug Harpy: 630000 (2841.3k) Spider: 680000 (2720k) Phantom: 830000 (3187.2k) Banshee: 820000 (3148.8k) Illusion: 870000 (3262.5k) Corsair: 680000 (3005.6k) Lancer: 790000 (3160k)
emp is retarded stronk!
yes the avg ult planet has ~200k fi!
also as it was pointed out BF started sending pl clipper def + xan def planets with ~200k+ revs. who wants to take a gamble on which of the 3 fleets of def is real or fake? (1 guy landed a fake for lolz and would have landed on 305k revs + beets)
so yeah ult/mercs needed to send teamups of around 5+ planets just to break emp let alone account for def
as for bows on more then 1 occasion i saw fleets hitting the NDs in my gal (theres 6 of them) 1 morning i saw atleast 5 bows fleets hitting 2 planets which could have gone at BF.
all in all the fight with BF could have been better but they put up a good fight imo
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Well BowS just said they could only send 45 fleets at maximum at BF.
Then they prolly need A LOT of other targets, and ND was the obvious choice i suppose.
Sounds like poor politics by BowS + the rest of the univers, and great politics by BF to invest in FL/ND
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26 Apr 2016, 09:06
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Re: R66 who will win
I don't know if this agreement was on during the moments ultores joined against BF, but before that, it meant that Bows and BF could hit each other with their full Cr force, so it wasn't a limitation at all in the end.
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27 Apr 2016, 16:02
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Re: R66 who will win
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Ct claimed and what? Sent a few dumbass fleets???
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yes our fleets are dumbass, which is why I repeatedly tell you there is no point in CT taking part, BF were able to single fleet cover us on every wave we made. We are a Fi based alliance set up for xp, so low value, bf is a value alliance set up for Anti-Fi... and you say we are key in attacking them.
BF has done well, caught the value alliances sleeping, they have clearly won, even though they are too paranoid to realize it.
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27 Apr 2016, 18:02
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by [DDK]gm
BF has done well, caught the value alliances sleeping, they have clearly won, even though they are too paranoid to realize it.
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Paranoid? I made a picture of Zhil to prove we're not paranoid...
http://i.imgur.com/0RiMygV.png
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27 Apr 2016, 19:28
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Join Date: Mar 2014
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Re: R66 who will win
Out of experience, I personally wouldn't trust even the best of my friends when I'm in the lead (Hi gm and our first round), hence being paranoid should be a part of anyone sitting at the top, yes, we have a fair lead atm, can't take that away, but I've seen bigger leads go down the drain in the last week before, the ticker is still running. Be prepared, be vigilant, adapt and overcome, if you can't then you defo didn't deserve the win.
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27 Apr 2016, 20:13
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: R66 who will win
Wow, that's really great advice! I'm taking that advice and applying it by not trusting the #1 alliance going "Nope, we may still lose!". Thanks, NoXiouS!
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27 Apr 2016, 20:17
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a bucket
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Chatham, UK
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Re: R66 who will win
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Originally Posted by [DDK]gm
BF has done well, caught the value alliances sleeping, they have clearly won, even though they are too paranoid to realize it.
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What value alliances would these be? The only ones are really Bows and BF. I guess ND went into the round intending to do their usual but they are not usually a big value alliance. I dont know faceless, having gone fr they may have had some idea to have a little more value than the xp alliances but with few ziks and cats I doubt they were aiming to be an entirely value alliance given how easily fi roids fr. P3n is an xp alliance; everyone was supposed to be xping xans except scanners and the odd def planet, we simply find that most of our members cant play xp for their lives!
I agree they have clearly won though. The rest of the round will be BF rotating between hitting other alliances that look at them the wrong way or slighted them in the past while everyone cowers and tries not to be noticed.
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27 Apr 2016, 20:21
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: R66 who will win
I was wondering that myself booji.
The other "value" allies is even behind Ult/CT still.
ND/BowS was aiming to win, p3nguins/FL aint close
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27 Apr 2016, 20:30
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Mordar, Keel, Reip
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Re: R66 who will win
Mzy: being stabbed easily enough times in the past teaches you to look in the shadows a bit more closely. If you plan to lead an alliance that has a chance to win, it ain't that stupid to be cautious, especially in a round where XP can still make wonders (yes yes, I know we're ahead). I ain't playing us down, I admit we're doing good as it is, but the round ain't over and a lot can still happen, bigger caps have been closed before and passed too. You for one should be aware of this.
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28 Apr 2016, 01:58
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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Re: R66 who will win
I think when gm said the other value alliances sleeping.
He meant traditionally CT/Ult are value.. and this round are sleeping
FYI.
Stat set was rubbish, which allowed a universe where some alliances can't even touch another alliance. Silly silly stats
Lets hope for better! - though I do think the xp/value was balanced this round, i think the stats just leant too much towards such opposite alliance strategys that the game broke
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28 Apr 2016, 08:40
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: R66 who will win
Despite all the hype about XP, it is clear value still reigns supreme. That means it is not the stats that make BF unhittable; it's bad choices by other alliances' HCs. If the alliances going XP did so in an attempt to win, then they made a big mistake. Don't blame that on the stats maker.
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28 Apr 2016, 12:38
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Join Date: May 2007
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Re: R66 who will win
For sure CT/Ult war made perfect sense when they were rising ahead of all the other alliances by 10mill early round. It however makes it a big struggle later as we all see.
Lessons to be learnt? None! We all knew this would be the way it would go. I think it was a strange round, maybe if p3ng decided to go for it we would have been a challenger to BF but we had made a very early decision to take a break from the usual routine, leaving rainbows and nd's to move up ranks to contend.
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29 Apr 2016, 20:36
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Re: R66 who will win
Normal routine?
have i missed the last 10 rounds of good performance from you guys?
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