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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
Chelsea have paid way too much attention to his development to be getting rid of him. He'll be joining their first team squad this season I should think.
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I think so too, but he has to get a work permit first.
He hasn't played that much for brazil so he'll have to be one of those exceptions. I reckon he will be only sold if his permit is blocked.
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I reckon 3-5-2 Chelsea could be immense
Cech Alex-Terry-Carvalho Makelele-Essien-Lampard Robben-SWP Drogba-Kalou\Pizarro\Sheva
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Darren Bent's said he doesn't want to go to West Ham, so apparently spurs are the favourites to land him. He's definitely a good player to have on board, it does seem an odd move from spurs though. There's holes in their midfield/defence, to spend £17m on a forward when they've already got berbatov/keane/defoe... who scored ~22, 23, 18 goals last season.. I don't really get it.
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Alex is not a free transfer, he is owned by chelsea and has been loaned out to psv for the last few years.. And PSV has already confirmed they will not have him next season so he is coming to chelsea or being sold.
And I fully expect him to challenge for a first team place next season, he has been the revelation of the dutch league in the last seasons and has been included in the brazilian national team.
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You do know that the Brazilian Team (the divine canaries) select some players on purpose so their market value rises.
This is done by the Brazilian Team on several occasions and during the 'off years', when there is no Coppa America and no World Cup their selections are less then trustworthy, in my eyes.
So stating that someone made it to the Brazilian Team shouldn't be too much of a fuzz at the moment.
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Darren Bent's said he doesn't want to go to West Ham, so apparently spurs are the favourites to land him.
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Hopefully Bent goes to spurs and defoe to villa
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I remember the days when Sidwell was playing crap for Arsenal...
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i doubt that, since he didn't play a single game and was loaned off to various clubs until he signed to reading...
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i doubt that, since he didn't play a single game and was loaned off to various clubs until he signed to reading...
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He played in the Carling Cup games.
That's techincally a first team appearance.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
Koen, what can you tell us about Ismail Aissati and Royston Drenthe?
I want to sign them
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Bugger off, Drenthe is goin to villa
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He played in the Carling Cup games.
That's techincally a first team appearance.
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Koen, what can you tell us about Ismail Aissati and Royston Drenthe?
I want to sign them
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Won't go anywhere, PSV and Feyenoord see them as their top young assets and they have long running contracts. Maybe later.
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To be honest if an English club offers enough money then they will sell. How much do you think it'll take?
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You won't get Aissati nor Drenthe.
Aissati has more skill and overview then Drenthe, Drenthe has more killer instinct and defensive skills, they would combine together well though.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
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To be honest if an English club offers enough money then they will sell. How much do you think it'll take?
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At the moment we really don't need to sell Royston, he's got a contract till mid 2011. I think you have to offer above 10m pounds / 15 mil euro to make them change their mind plus some kind of clausule to make Feyenoord profit for a certain percentage on a future transfer. Feyenoord still got a bad taste in the mouth for selling Lazovic, Van Persie, Kalou not for the amount of money they could've with a bit more tact and patience.
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Fair enough
We only get a British-slanted view of these players, always handy to see what's said about these players in their home countries. I'd love to see Arsenal sign both of them - especially Drenthe playing left midfield ahead of Clichy.
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Bugger off, Drenthe is goin to villa
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Fair enough
We only get a British-slanted view of these players, always handy to see what's said about these players in their home countries. I'd love to see Arsenal sign both of them - especially Drenthe playing left midfield ahead of Clichy.
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And by the way, Foppe gets more out of youngster in his squad then they seem to do at their own club.
Although I have full faith in van Marwijk to make Drenthe usefull...
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Over here there's a rumour Arsenal willing to sign Babel. It's been going on for months already. I don't understand what everyone sees in Babel, he seems to be a very limited player to me. Not killer enough to be a real striker and not skilled enough to be a complete winger.
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And by the way, Foppe gets more out of youngster in his squad then they seem to do at their own club.
Although I have full faith in van Marwijk to make Drenthe usefull...
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I hope so, it would help to get a decent midfielder one of these days. Feyenoord needs some experience to get all these youngsters on the rails. Hofland is on it's way, Makaay says he will come when Van Bronkhorst (Gio) returns back home but I'm afraid he will not return for the coming season
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I love the circus about Perez btw, van Marwijk stating 'If he doesn't want to play here, we don't want him'.... I have a gut feeling that if they pull it off signing proper players, van Marwijk will pull it off competing for the title.
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I liked it how Bosz stated that they want to go for the prices the coming season, I guess he got a bit over excited.. Van Marwijk says we will go for the fifth place which sounds more realistic. We still have an unbalanced squad and even if we get the three or four class players they long for it still takes a lot of work to get it working out together in a little time. I don't see us being a real danger to PSV, AZ and Ajax but I believe we'll be stronger then the likes of Twente, Heerenveen and Roda JC compared to last season.
I rather not see Perez coming although I was mildly optimistic before PSV took his interest. I think he'll bring more trouble then glory considering his character. I would love to see him sitting on the PSV bench the coming season and getting in fights with Koeman about it as the little bitch he is.
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No he won't, not this season at least or Villa is willing to pay a shitload of cash for a youth player that hasn't showed that much yet except on some youngster tournament.
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I see the dutch league being raided big time this summer. Quite simply the premiership has a load of money to spunk up the wall. If we want a player we can afford it. Dutch clubs, even the biggest (in terms of Champions League etc) can't match our spending.
It's a shame really.
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Even if some premiership club wants to bring the big bucks I still doubt Drenthe is willing to leave Feyenoord this early. He just seems the type of guy that knows what's best for him and his family at the moment. I also hope I'm right on this heh.
Yeah, I've heard that even the smallest premiership clubs have a bigger budget then our biggest clubs and I wouldn't really label PSV, Ajax and AZ as poor
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
this is a little off-topic, but was there a ruling that footballers could move club after x amount of time if the other club just pays the remainder of the contract?
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this is a little off-topic, but was there a ruling that footballers could move club after x amount of time if the other club just pays the remainder of the contract?
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In short, it allows players unilaterally to break a contract after a "protected period" expires. This is after three years if they signed when under the age of 28 or two years if they signed when 28 or over, regardless of how long their contract is. They have to pay compensation to do this, calculated using a formula based on wages and their original transfer fee, but it means they can effectively "buy out" their contract.
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
The footballer can buy out his contract after 3 years (if under 28 when signed) or 2 years (if 28 or over). His registration is then free to move, Bosman style.
What this basically means is that other clubs can pay players to buy out contracts.
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right:
Drenthe: superb in Orange U21, shite+++ at Feyenoord. in a league like the premiership, where physical abilities are of more importance than in the dutch league, he will turn out to be fairly useless.
Aissatti: at his debut for PSV vs Milan in the champions league, he and Affelay neutralised the Pirlo/Gattuso tandem, who didn't hit a single ball the entire match back then. last season Aissati played for Twente, where he started superb but ended weak. especially against PSV he was shit... his good points are overview and technique, weak points are strength and fighting spirit. i can see him excelling at a team Lyon or Barca. in the premiership he won't be of much use though.
Feyenoord: big club, big fanbase, big history, but (one of) the sickest clubs of the country. they had a dramatic season last year, and it won't be much different next season. Van Marwijl is returning now (good manager, won the UEFA cup in 2002 with Feyenoord), but with this team he won't be able to beat Ajax, PSV or AZ. and sorry ss, but as a Twente-fan, i don't really fear Feyenoord at all at the moment to be honest. if you ask me, we will beat them 3-0 again next year.
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I've checked on the Arsenal history pages and you're quite right.
I stand corrected.
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So Henry's gone to Barcelona then. That's quite a formidable attack there in Ronaldinho-Henry-Eto'o-Messi. It's a loss for premiership ofc, Henry probably the best forward the league has ever seen ahead of Shearer, RvN, Cantona etc.
It will be interesting to see how this affects Arsenal. Personally I haven't got a clue so I'm not going to comment and risk looking stupid when they walk the league/finish fifth next season
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They should be able to bring in a new good forward(remember berbatov only cost 10m£), but alot will be up to the likes of Van Persie next season
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Feyenoord:[/i] big club, big fanbase, big history, but (one of) the sickest clubs of the country. they had a dramatic season last year, and it won't be much different next season. Van Marwijl is returning now (good manager, won the UEFA cup in 2002 with Feyenoord), but with this team he won't be able to beat Ajax, PSV or AZ. and sorry ss, but as a Twente-fan, i don't really fear Feyenoord at all at the moment to be honest. if you ask me, we will beat them 3-0 again next year.
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De Cler is basicly a double reinforcement as he will replace Drenthe on the back, Drenthe will be able to play at his favorite position as left midfielder. Slory will be one of the next seasons revelations. Guzman will finally show what's he capable of because he'll be having an experienced player next to him at the centre of the midfield. Probably Landzaat, or maybe Gio, or someone else but they will find an experienced midfielder. At the moment they're busy to contract a central defender to guide the talented Vlaar at the centre of the defence. I think they'll still achieve to get Kevin Hofland for that job. At last they will replace Charisteas with Makaay, if that fails Koevermans or another decent striker will be contracted.
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Oh no, Henry is going? :crymeariver:
I am genuinely disappointed. Not only has the Premiership lost a brilliant player but I had a bet that he would score a shedload of goals next season if he wasn't injured. But mainly it's the losing a brilliant player thing.
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no offence, but after last season henry was definately past it, although i do expect him to have a good season at barca, but there again, with that kind of service it ould be hard for him not too
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Henry wasn't past it - 10 goals in 17 games is pretty good. He just had his first season at Arsenal that was ruined by injuries, no more.
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Henry signed a long-term contract last summer and committed his future to the club. I could have accepted him leaving last summer - £50m was on the table and no player is without his price. I was willing to give him a free choice.
But now, one year on, he's jumping ship because we weren't winning enough - which was partly because he had been injured all year (on and off). Where Chelsea found themselves without defenders, we found ourselves without strikers.
So thanks a lot Thierry Henry, you were loyal right until it didn't suit you anymore. You let the fans accept you into the deepest recesses of their hearts and then turned away a season later without decent reason. Congratulations - you're up there with such Arsenal turncoats as Patrick Viera and Ian Wright.
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It's not just that you weren't winning enough - he clearly didn't give a **** on the pitch, which really threw off the rest of the team.
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i'd like to ask tho - at what point did Wright stop caring?
I'll ask the same on PB when I read the post there...
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Oh no, Henry is going? :crymeariver:
I am genuinely disappointed. Not only has the Premiership lost a brilliant player but I had a bet that he would score a shedload of goals next season if he wasn't injured. But mainly it's the losing a brilliant player thing.
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Having said that I wouldnt be surprised if Wenger followed Henry to Barca and then its not just a few players that are needed but a good manager which could be hard to find
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It may turn out to be a good thing. It often seems to be that Henry had too much influence on how Arsenal played which all too often led to all style no substance. As long as wenger hasn't become to entrenched in this way of playing then with a few good signings (A tougher defensive midfielder and a proper centre forward who will put himself about and isnt bothered about scoring a scrappy goal) then they could do well.
Having said that I wouldnt be surprised if Wenger followed Henry to Barca and then its not just a few players that are needed but a good manager which could be hard to find
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I was going to disagree with furball till I saw this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/6231950.stm
His reasons I think are utterly bullshit and selfish and I can't believe he did this. French ****.
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It may turn out to be a good thing. It often seems to be that Henry had too much influence on how Arsenal played which all too often led to all style no substance. As long as wenger hasn't become to entrenched in this way of playing then with a few good signings (A tougher defensive midfielder and a proper centre forward who will put himself about and isnt bothered about scoring a scrappy goal) then they could do well.
Having said that I wouldnt be surprised if Wenger followed Henry to Barca and then its not just a few players that are needed but a good manager which could be hard to find
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I think it was the manager that had an influence on how arenal played, which was rather successful. Well we have gilberto for a few more seasons, and diaby to replace him, and fabregas and denilson arent bad tacklers either.
AND IF ONE MORE ****ING PERSON SAYS WE NEED A PROPER CENTRE FOWARD I WILL ****ING KILL THEM.
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23 Jun 2007, 11:32
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
I'm a bit sad that Henry leaves. But his last season was aweful, and he brought the whole team down with his lack of effort and diving. He did that when he had the captaincy and should have shown leadership for the younger players. So maybe, in the end, it's good for both Arsenal and Henry that he leave.
That said, he obviously needs to be replaced. There is just three strikers left, after Baptista was sent back and Ali was sold to Boro (V.Persie, Adebayor, Bendtner). There is also a great need for a new wide midfielder who can provide goals (a new Pires).
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23 Jun 2007, 11:32
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
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I think it was the manager that had an influence on how arenal played, which was rather successful. Well we have gilberto for a few more seasons, and diaby to replace him, and fabregas and denilson arent bad tacklers either.
AND IF ONE MORE ****ING PERSON SAYS WE NEED A PROPER CENTRE FOWARD I WILL ****ING KILL THEM.
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It just seems since Viera left and leaving Henry to become the only 'true star' at the club that Wenger has seemed to have bent over backwards to play in a way that mirrors the way Henry himself plays and while having the odd player like Henry who plays like that can be great having 11 players trying to play in such a style before substance way just isnt productive, especially when most of the team lack that flair you require to make things happen when playing like that
As for Gilberto, i'm not sure he is the figure you need to make the team work, certainly not on his own anyway. It seems to often lead to the Gerrard/Lampard for england kind of situation where your asking people like febregas to somewhat sacrifice himself to help out in a more defensive role. Either a dominating figures needs to be perchased who can handle the def mid duties alone (theres not many of thes around mind you and the likes of gattaso who could isnt going anywhere) or you need another Gilberto level player who can step in beside him immediatly.
As for your issue over a proper centre foward, why are you so anoyed by it. Having something different to make the attacks less 1d would do you wonders and would probably free the more creative strikers to be more effective. Tevez might actually be a perfect buy for you as he can not only do some of the more flashy stuff but hes like a bull
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23 Jun 2007, 12:21
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
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I'm a bit sad that Henry leaves. But his last season was aweful, and he brought the whole team down with his lack of effort and diving. He did that when he had the captaincy and should have shown leadership for the younger players. So maybe, in the end, it's good for both Arsenal and Henry that he leave.
That said, he obviously needs to be replaced. There is just three strikers left, after Baptista was sent back and Ali was sold to Boro (V.Persie, Adebayor, Bendtner). There is also a great need for a new wide midfielder who can provide goals (a new Pires).
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It wasn't really awful, playing through injury yet still ending with 10 goals in 17 games, most of them vitally important goals. The captaincy was likely a bargaining tool used by Wenger to keep him at the club, and while he didn't seem inspirational on the field, he could have been off it (remember he always watches the games he misses from the bench). At the end of last season he criticised the team for relying on him to much and asked them to step up, I think they did so and did so well. So for him to leave now, to me smacks of selfishness. When did he dive?
Walcott could be played further foward some day soon, and don't forget Diaby can play behind the front man (lolling) But yeah, we need another striker, and don't anyone say bent or owen or I will be forced to cut off your fingers and gouge your eyes out with them. We probably do need a wide player, maybe Robben, but saying we should have got Ribery will meet with the same fate as earlier described
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It just seems since Viera left and leaving Henry to become the only 'true star' at the club that Wenger has seemed to have bent over backwards to play in a way that mirrors the way Henry himself plays and while having the odd player like Henry who plays like that can be great having 11 players trying to play in such a style before substance way just isnt productive, especially when most of the team lack that flair you require to make things happen when playing like that
As for Gilberto, i'm not sure he is the figure you need to make the team work, certainly not on his own anyway. It seems to often lead to the Gerrard/Lampard for england kind of situation where your asking people like febregas to somewhat sacrifice himself to help out in a more defensive role. Either a dominating figures needs to be perchased who can handle the def mid duties alone (theres not many of thes around mind you and the likes of gattaso who could isnt going anywhere) or you need another Gilberto level player who can step in beside him immediatly.
As for your issue over a proper centre foward, why are you so anoyed by it. Having something different to make the attacks less 1d would do you wonders and would probably free the more creative strikers to be more effective. Tevez might actually be a perfect buy for you as he can not only do some of the more flashy stuff but hes like a bull
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After Viera left we did have Bergkamp, Pires, Ljungberg, and of course Fabregas. You also seem to have confused cause and effect. Wenger set up his footballing ethos before buying Henry
You also seem to underestimate Gilberto, I know I did several seasons ago before I looked at the stats and watch his performances more closely. I don't know where you're getting this gerrard/lampard comparison from, because Gilberto is strictly a defensive midfielder. Also I find it interesting that while the current style is to have a defensive and offensive midfielder, both fabregas and denilson can manage being traditional central midfielders without any trouble.
I get annoyed because people see this issues as black and white, nearly every other club has an out and out striker so we must too. They don't see that we have had those players (jeffers lol, kanu etc) and they don't fit into our game plan, certainly not aswell as other types of strikers do. Tevez maybe good for us, but I don't see us getting him, plus worried that he might be Baptista 2.0
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23 Jun 2007, 15:21
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
Whilst I agree with the majority of people who are sad to see Henry go (although not that sad since the coverage of La Liga will be on weekly anyway), I don't think, however shoddy his reasons may come across to Arsenal fans, that it's necessary to criticise him for it. On one hand, he could have stayed loyal to Wenger, Arsenal and the fans, played out his career at Emirates and maybe experienced some more success. On the other hand, he may then look back at his footballing life and think 'I wonder what it would have been like to play professional football with Barcelona', or in Spain, or whatever.
Footballers only have one career, which is pretty limited in time as jobs go. He's already 30, I say good on him for being selfish and making the most of the time he has left at the highest level. Some players; Giggs, Scholes etc, seem content to spend a career at one club, but I imagine others feel the need to play in different places, see what they can achieve while they can.
Plus, I've heard the weather is better in Barcelona and there are less cars in Spain to get in the way of his va va voom.
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23 Jun 2007, 15:35
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
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i'd like to ask tho - at what point did Wright stop caring?
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Also how was Wright a turncoat?
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Sorry for the mass links but copy/pasting them would take ages.
The most recent one.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...450074,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...190115,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...100697,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...570118,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...180320,00.html
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23 Jun 2007, 16:14
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Re: [Football] Summer Transfers
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Sorry for the mass links but copy/pasting them would take ages.
The most recent one.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...450074,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...190115,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...100697,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...570118,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...180320,00.html
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