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23 Oct 2003, 18:16
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Superhero's and radioactivity
I'm watching Spiderman at the moment and i just thought. What with radiation sorta being really bad and causing all sorts of horrible things. How come Spiderman can do the web stuff and the Hulk become superstrong when they were exposed to radiation ?
Shouldn't they have constant blood running from every orrifice and the shits constantly ?
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23 Oct 2003, 18:17
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
Wasn't it a spider that was exposed to radiation which then bit Spiderman? So the spider should have the shits.
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23 Oct 2003, 18:21
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
It's fiction!
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23 Oct 2003, 18:32
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
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i was going to do the full sad geek answer about them originally being written about before the full devastating effects of radiation were known, but then i thought that tacticus wrote a better answer
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23 Oct 2003, 18:34
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
It's the terrors of GENETIC ENGINEERING nowadays
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23 Oct 2003, 18:35
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
The DVD box says 2002 on it.....
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damn! foiled again!
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
Written =! Filmed.
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23 Oct 2003, 18:41
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The DVD box says 2002 on it.....
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The film?
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23 Oct 2003, 18:52
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The film?
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23 Oct 2003, 18:53
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Yes
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In which case, it's a genetically engineered spider, not a radioactive one, as I pointed out previously.
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23 Oct 2003, 19:00
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
I see, I thought you were making a general criticism of genetically modified foods
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
Stan Lee said (in the interview thing they keep showing on sky movies) that he didn't know much about science so when he needed an explanation he blamed it on 'radiation*' or 'gamma rays'** or something that sounded cool.
*hulk/spiderman/etc
**fantastic four
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I'd say that it was probably a convienient explanation for 50's comic book writers to explain away everything remotely 'weird'.
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23 Oct 2003, 19:06
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Stan Lee = big silly
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23 Oct 2003, 19:08
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
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Stan Lee said (in the interview thing they keep showing on sky movies) that he didn't know much about science so when he needed an explanation he blamed it on 'radiation*' or 'gamma rays'** or something that sounded cool.
*hulk/spiderman/etc
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I believe you'll find that Bruce Banner's transformation came because of not common or garden radiation, but radiation from THE GAMMA BOMB, a weapon of his own devising.
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23 Oct 2003, 19:09
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Stan Lee = big silly
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All of Stan Lee's characters have alliterative names (Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, etc) because otherwise he'd forget them.
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All of Stan Lee's characters have alliterative names (Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, etc) because otherwise he'd forget them.
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i take it you've seen the same interview
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
In theory radioactivity can cause genetic mutations by breaking down genes and encouraging cross overs. Most of the time all you get is cancer.
However there is a possibility that by chance the new cell becomes better than the original. In order to effect a human being though not just 1 cell but an entire organ would need to mutate positively to notice any change. Unless that 1 cell becomes a virus and overwrites your other cells. In that case; 1 mutated cell can effect your entire body if it evades your immune system.
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
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i take it you've seen the same interview
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The Kevin Smith one?
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23 Oct 2003, 19:13
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
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In theory radioactivity can cause genetic mutations by breaking down genes and encouraging cross overs. Most of the time all you get is cancer.
However there is a possibility that by chance the new cell becomes better than the original. In order to effect a human being though not just 1 cell but an entire organ would need to mutate positively to notice any change. Unless that 1 cell becomes a virus and overwrites your other cells. In that case; 1 mutated cell can effect your entire body if it evades your immune system.
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I theory though, for every Incredible Hulk etc you would have lots of Incredible Bleeding Men and Superrectalprolapse boys (although the RC church has a lot of them as well)
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
How do you know you don't?
They just don't get reported because they die!
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I dont see Greenpeace complaining about the dumping of radioactive bodies on their website, just the usual shit about whales
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I dont see Greenpeace complaining about the dumping of radioactive bodies on their website, just the usual shit about whales
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For as far as I know you can absorb quite a dosage of radiation without ever becoming radioactive. Which would explain the Greenpeace site
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
Stan Lee's in Mallrats.
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I'm watching Spiderman at the moment and i just thought. What with radiation sorta being really bad and causing all sorts of horrible things. How come Spiderman can do the web stuff and the Hulk become superstrong when they were exposed to radiation ?
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What about Radioactive Man? Isn't he the most bad arse of radioactive heros?
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
Superheros are shit
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23 Oct 2003, 20:22
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
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In theory radioactivity can cause genetic mutations by breaking down genes and encouraging cross overs. Most of the time all you get is cancer.
However there is a possibility that by chance the new cell becomes better than the original. In order to effect a human being though not just 1 cell but an entire organ would need to mutate positively to notice any change. Unless that 1 cell becomes a virus and overwrites your other cells. In that case; 1 mutated cell can effect your entire body if it evades your immune system.
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Cancer is caused by a mutation, and not all (or even many) mutations are crossovers. Nor do crossovers neccesarily (or even often) cause damage.
A cell is not going to become a virus and 'overwrite other cells'; it is fantstically improbable that any kind of mutation would produce an actual virus from one cell or any part of one cell in one step by sheer chance. Nor is it likely that such a virus would be a retrovirus, which is the only kind that modifies the host genome. (Some viruses can be 'induced' by radiation; they lie dormant in the host genome wating for a signal, such as radiation damage to the cell, which causes them to activate and reproduce, killing the cell and releasing more virus particles)
In the case of cancer one damaged cell spreads and proliferates, forming tumours in new areas; it does not persuade other cells to turn cancerous.
To speak of cells becoming better is rather loose, it would be preferabler to say "better adapted". The odds against one beneficial mutation occurring throughout an organ are absolutely minimal, although a mutation very early in development might be inherited by a whole tissue or organ if it descends from one cell. Such mutations in somatic (body) cells are not passed on to the next generation though.
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Re: Superhero's and radioactivity
So much for some light spam
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