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19 Dec 2007, 16:14
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Existentialism
In a world where there are no knowable objective truths and therefore no obvious basis on which to build a system of ethics, where do you begin?
We all (I hope) have some form of ethical code, but once you reject the dogma of modern soceity and start afresh, what is the foundation for such belief?
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19 Dec 2007, 16:29
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Re: Existentialism
My brother just found out his girlfriend is pregnant, which made me wonder about this to some extent aswell.
How do you start raising a child? On which foundation do you base the education of your child? How can you know the ethical code you live by is the correct one?
I hope I didn't go too much off-topic with this, my goal was to broaden the discussion a bit, sorry if I misunderstood your question and this has nothing at all to do with what you meant. If this is the case, could you explain your question a bit more?
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19 Dec 2007, 16:32
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Re: Existentialism
Is your brother dating Britney Spear's sister by any chance?
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19 Dec 2007, 16:38
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I'd say I don't know Britney Spear's sister so I can't make any comparison, but I think it's safe to say that my brother's girlfriend is more instable emotionally than any Spears family member, including Britney.
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19 Dec 2007, 16:39
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Re: Existentialism
How old are the parents-to-be?
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19 Dec 2007, 20:13
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Re: Existentialism
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...build a system of ethics, where do you begin?
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I'd begin with myself. I'd find people who were timid enough to agree with me. Then I'd rally those people to kill those who tended not to agree with me. Eventually I'd gain momentum and I'd claim all those who agreed with me and did what I told them to do were acting according to their morals.
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19 Dec 2007, 23:25
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Re: Existentialism
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what is the foundation for such belief?
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Ann Coulter and the Republican Party.
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20 Dec 2007, 08:33
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Re: Existentialism
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How old are the parents-to-be?
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My brother 25 and his girlfriend 21. She didn't even finish any higher education, my brother is a civil engineer.
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20 Dec 2007, 17:13
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She didn't even finish any higher education
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What a slut.
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20 Dec 2007, 22:53
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People always say "slut" like it was a bad thing.
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20 Dec 2007, 23:10
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Re: Existentialism
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In a world where there are no knowable objective truths and therefore no obvious basis on which to build a system of ethics, where do you begin?
We all (I hope) have some form of ethical code, but once you reject the dogma of modern soceity and start afresh, what is the foundation for such belief?
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why reject anything?
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21 Dec 2007, 13:24
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Because doing/beliving in something because it's 'always been done' is is not cool.
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22 Dec 2007, 00:17
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Re: Existentialism
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Because doing/beliving in something because it's 'always been done' is is not cool.
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you said modern society.
i don't think your explination makes sense.
please explain again
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22 Dec 2007, 02:06
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Re: Existentialism
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Because doing/beliving in something because it's 'always been done' is is not cool.
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It should also be noted that not doing/not believing in something because "it's always been done" is also not very cool. Idealy one should have some rational basis for a belief system.
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22 Dec 2007, 03:08
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Re: Existentialism
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I don't think he's suggesting you should reject beliefs because other people believe/have believed in them, but rather it shouldn't hold any weight in whether you do so or not.
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heh
(i'm quoting this so you can't delete it - which is an heroic act for posterity given the tears of laughter)
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22 Dec 2007, 03:18
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yeah man i was just hovering over the delete button there, thinking
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it's a sin to tell a lie
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22 Dec 2007, 13:32
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I could also do with an explanation of why horns point in post #17 was so hilarious, it seemed like a reasonably likely hypothesis to me. Just because you really, really want to attack horn doesn't mean everything he says is objectively shit. It certainly wasn't in this case and to be honest your ad hominem attacks of late have seemed far more desperate than contributional, even by GD standards.
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22 Dec 2007, 13:36
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Re: Existentialism
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it's a sin to tell a lie
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Wasnt homosexuality also a sin? Where do you draw the line?
btw, using 'sin' in a discussion of re-writing of ethical or moral standards is kinda depressing, given that it would presume that morality is a christian thing (when it clearly isnt, or at least not as it should be).
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22 Dec 2007, 19:18
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Re: Existentialism
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you said modern society.
i don't think your explination makes sense.
please explain again
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Well rejecting the beliefs of 1623 might be fun, but seeing as it's not 1623 it might be rather irrelevant.
Another point that might of worth is the wacky theory that modern society is a product of history, with traditions, organisations and all that fun stuff being passed down through the generations.
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22 Dec 2007, 19:29
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Re: Existentialism
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Well rejecting the beliefs of 1623 might be fun, but seeing as it's not 1623 it might be rather irrelevant.
Another point that might of worth is the wacky theory that modern society is a product of history, with traditions, organisations and all that fun stuff being passed down through the generations.
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You said we should reject modern dogma. Specifying modern I asked you why reject it. You then said we should reject it because it would be silly to accept it simply on the basis that it had always been done.
1) by definition modern 'dogma' (your misuse of the word) is not old and is not always been done
2) thus no one would defend it on the basis that it has always been done
3) something different having been done in the past must have been changed into the different way it is done now - hence earning it the title 'modern'
Therefore I ask again why reject anything?
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22 Dec 2007, 19:44
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Re: Existentialism
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It should also be noted that not doing/not believing in something because "it's always been done" is also not very cool. Idealy one should have some rational basis for a belief system.
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I'm not suggesting you should reject beliefs because other people believe/have believed in them, but rather it shouldn't hold any weight in whether you do so or not.
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22 Dec 2007, 19:46
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Re: Existentialism
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You said we should reject modern dogma. Specifying modern I asked you why reject it. You then said we should reject it because it would be silly to accept it simply on the basis that it had always been done.
1) by definition modern 'dogma' (your misuse of the word) is not old and is not always been done
2) thus no one would defend it on the basis that it has always been done
3) something different having been done in the past must have been changed into the different way it is done now - hence earning it the title 'modern'
Therefore I ask again why reject anything?
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Actually I said "the dogma of modern society" therefore your whole fallacy is wrong.
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22 Dec 2007, 19:49
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Re: Existentialism
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Actually I said "the dogma of modern society" therefore your whole fallacy is wrong.
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22 Dec 2007, 19:50
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Clearly, or you have made sure you read my initial post correctly.
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