Server crash this morning

[Cannon_Fodder]

As most of you will know, PA crashed this morning due to 'mechanical error' and as a result, all fleets will be reset to base and ticks starting again at 18:00 GMT. Was PA Team right to reset fleets, give money/roids out, or just resume? Discuss.*











* Until you come to your senses, realise this was the best option and stop whinging.

[Forest]

Of course it was the right decision.

Discussion not needed,

[at0mic.c0w]

since the servers were up while ticks were still running i think a late tick start (18 gmt is late) would have been enough

[Remy]

Since ppl from all kind of time zones play, i wud say recalling fleets wud be the fairest. Ppl usually plan fleet launches according to their work/sleep schedule and the stopped ticker messes that up quite much. Recalling fleets saves them and the ones who had chances for roids will have enough opportunity to try get some in the future.

[Squishy]

Originally Posted by Forest

Of course it was the right decision.

Discussion not needed,

^^
nothing more needs to be said

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Forest

Of course it was the right decision.

Discussion not needed,

No Forest it was NOT the correct decision to return peoples fleets.

Firstly let me just say that it was correct to stop the ticks, and also to not start again until 6pm, but it was certainly not right to recall fleets, for many reasons.

Firstly the time at which the HDD crashed was just before the 6AM tick, everything was fine up until then, apart from an issue with a german ISP which is totally unrelated. Now when PA went tits up and wouldnt let anyone do anything, the ticks never happened, so there was never a tick during the time which anyone couldnt do anything. This means that no-one has gained an advantage in terms of attacking while defence isnt possible. In fact it is quite the opposite, it has given the targets more time to get defence.

However though the excuse is that peoples planets will die, well if that is the case, and in a worst case scenario the planets have eta 1 incoming, and were gonna be landed on and killed at 6AM, but now ticks arent starting until 6PM so surely that has given the planets plenty of time to decide what they want to do.

Also they say attackers wont be able to check their attacks because of school and work, well, if they were about to land at 6AM they would have to work a pretty intensive job to mean they cant be back for 6PM to check on the attack.

Instead PA Team has gone and carried out the recall without much thought, deciding that things should be put back how they were, but surely if that was the case, the fleets would still be flying as they were?

On the flip side for the attackers too, any eta 4 attackers know if their through or not, and you may argue that anyone over eta 5 will have been defended against, well more time doesnt always mean more ships. Also the fact remains that even if they had to pull they would still be back at base to attack tonight, as the fact remains no alliance is going to start attacking at 6PM are they.

So instead of leaving the players to make their own decisions about THEIR own fleets, PA Team has taken the decision for them, good job, well thought out and not completely stupid at all. PA Team's job in this instance should be to influence game play as little as possible, instead they have done quite the opposite.

By the way before anyone says anything i was eta 10 to my target.

Also i will try to remember my password for this account

[Storebo]

Stupid decision... stoping ticks should be enough... can anyone explain why a recall of all fleets was needed when nothing ticked after the game went down? With the game starting 12 hours later, it would give everyone enough time to check on their attack, and perhaps save their fleets.

/me thinks thoose german guys got some powerful friends in pa team

[CrazySpoon]

I soooo agree with you Game. Its such a weird decision...

[Dogs]

game, there aint no point discussing it, we all know what ever the PA team does there will allways be people with different arguments about what they should have done, imho recalling fleets was the best option, and tbh it would stop more people complaining than if the pa team was to carry on ticks at 6PM, i know that is your opinion, but all in all i belive the PA team have done the correct thing, wether anyone was eta 1 about to land on there target or not.

[max_vix]

Personally - I think if they wanted to delay the tick till peeps got home from work then fair enough....but I don't think we should have to have our fleets returned home. Waiting till 18:00 gives peeps enough time to get home, and then starting the tick, and giving us the choice of whether we recall or not seems fairer to me. Rather than being forced to recall. Little point in discussing it tho...been done to death in #planetarion

[CrazySpoon]

Nothing happened @ the 6am tick. People just had 12 hours extra to get defence...

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Dogs

game, there aint no point discussing it, we all know what ever the PA team does there will allways be people with different arguments about what they should have done, imho recalling fleets was the best option, and tbh it would stop more people complaining than if the pa team was to carry on ticks at 6PM, i know that is your opinion, but all in all i belive the PA team have done the correct thing, wether anyone was eta 1 about to land on there target or not.

Yes cant you see them flooding here with counter agruments as to why it was the correct decision?

Your just accepting the decision more than agreeing with it, years of poor customer service tends to do that.

[Dogs]

Originally Posted by max_vix

Personally - I think if they wanted to delay the tick till peeps got home from work then fair enough....but I don't think we should have to have our fleets returned home. Waiting till 18:00 gives peeps enough time to get home, and then starting the tick, and giving us the choice of whether we recall or not seems fairer to me. Rather than being forced to recall. Little point in discussing it tho...been done to death in #planetarion

But you are forgeting not everyone is you, not everyone might not be able to get back by 6pm for what ever reasons, that might not even be for work

[Squishy]

Some people may have bene attacking last night got up to check in the morning when they would be eta 1 and not been able to log on and not able to get on the rest of the day untill the evening. Is it fair that they lose their fleets due to a mechanical error

This desicion doesnt please everyone but it does mean that people didnt lose any thing apart from a nights roidining which isnt so bad

Its better than people losing all their fleets due to no fault of their own

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Dogs

But you are forgeting not everyone is you, not everyone might not be able to get back by 6pm for what ever reasons, that might not even be for work

U got better reasons?

[Game^]

Last tick was 5AM, next tick is 6PM

Anyone who cant login to PA in a window that big would get creamed anyway.

Id struggle to name a single player actively playing now who physically would have no way to do it.

[CrazySpoon]

Originally Posted by Squishy

Some people may have bene attacking last night got up to check in the morning when they would be eta 1 and not been able to log on and not able to get on the rest of the day untill the evening. Is it fair that they lose their fleets due to a mechanical error

This desicion doesnt please everyone but it does mean that people didnt lose any thing apart from a nights roidining which isnt so bad

Its better than people losing all their fleets due to no fault of their own

They had 12 freakin hours...

[Squishy]

Not everyone is as dedicated/Sad as the people u know they might have been landing at 8am so tryed to check at 7am

people work 9 till 6 easily and not everyone works ware they can get access to a computer so u add in travel times and they could easily miss out on 13 ticks

Noone deserves to lose their fleet because of a server problem if u say differently then ur very selfish and self centered you guys who missed ur roiding ticks are not the only players of this game.

The decision has been made DEAL WITH IT

[Kal]

Originally Posted by CrazySpoon

They had 12 freakin hours...

believe it or not but the game does not entirly revolve around the active people in top 15 alliances - some people can;t actually log on every 12 hours.

[Dogs]

Look, there aint no point in discussing/arguing about something that won't be changed, people havn't lost fleet due to pa error, they keep there ships and like squishy says all they loose is a nights roiding, and storebo no but still its a possibility, and yes 12 hours is a long time/gap, but still what i say stands.

[CrazySpoon]

Originally Posted by Squishy

Not everyone is as dedicated/Sad as the people u know they might have been landing at 8am so tryed to check at 7am

people work 9 till 6 easily and not everyone works ware they can get access to a computer so u add in travel times and they could easily miss out on 13 ticks

Noone deserves to lose their fleet because of a server problem if u say differently then ur very selfish and self centered you guys who missed ur roiding ticks are not the only players of this game.

The decision has been made DEAL WITH IT

Heh, ok. So if they cant check PA for 13 ticks long, it means that they could be attacked the tick right after they left to work, and be killed/roided before the got home. That will always be the case. So it still is a weird decision.

And it has nothing to do with selfishnes. It has something to do with pure logic thinking. And you agreeing with the decision doesnt give you the right to call the people that dont agree with it selfish.

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Squishy

Not everyone is as dedicated/Sad as the people u know they might have been landing at 8am so tryed to check at 7am

people work 9 till 6 easily and not everyone works ware they can get access to a computer so u add in travel times and they could easily miss out on 13 ticks

Noone deserves to lose their fleet because of a server problem if u say differently then ur very selfish and self centered you guys who missed ur roiding ticks are not the only players of this game.

The decision has been made DEAL WITH IT

Do these such players reside in Wolfpack, would explain your lack of roids and score considering your incoming really wouldnt it.

Also if their landing at 8am, they wouldnt have to be back until 7pm UK time of course.

[CrazySpoon]

Originally Posted by Kal

believe it or not but the game does not entirly revolve around the active people in top 15 alliances - some people can;t actually log on every 12 hours.

They can be attacked 5 days a week then without checking their planet... So whats the difference?

[Dogs]

Originally Posted by Game^

Do these such players reside in Wolfpack, would explain your lack of roids and score considering your incoming really wouldnt it.

Also if their landing at 8am, they wouldnt late until 7pm UK time of course.

now theres selfish, game go read what kal said

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Kal

believe it or not but the game does not entirly revolve around the active people in top 15 alliances - some people can;t actually log on every 12 hours.

Usually people who arent playing as active are playing from work/school to kill some time.

True Story!

Anyone not logging in for 13hours at a time will get killed, deal with it, or make it tick every 24hours.

[Dogs]

Originally Posted by CrazySpoon

They can be attacked 5 days a week then without checking their planet... So whats the difference?

Thats not the point

[Squishy]

Originally Posted by CrazySpoon

Heh, ok. So if they cant check PA for 13 ticks long, it means that they could be attacked the tick right after they left to work, and be killed/roided before the got home. That will always be the case. So it still is a weird decision.

And it has nothing to do with selfishnes. It has something to do with pure logic thinking. And you agreeing with the decision doesnt give you the right to call the people that dont agree with it selfish.

Them being roied is fair enough but why should they lose their roiding fleet cos the sever crashed



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I suffered form this as much as anyone else i had fleets out undefended but unlike u poeple i realise not everyone can play this game as much as some of us.

This decision ment that noone lost anything which on the whole is a very fair decision

[Kal]

Originally Posted by CrazySpoon

They can be attacked 5 days a week then without checking their planet... So whats the difference?

becuase today they might have been attacking... its attackers we are really protecitng rather than targets - people who launched and then couldn't check for defence as the game was offline.

Anyway its not changing, it was the correct decision no one gains and no one looses out. Just some people don;t get a gain they thought they might.

[CrazySpoon]

Originally Posted by Kal

becuase today they might have been attacking... its attackers we are really protecitng rather than targets - people who launched and then couldn't check for defence as the game was offline.

Anyway its not changing, it was the correct decision no one gains and no one looses out. Just some people don;t get a gain they thought they might.

I'm not saying that it was a wrong decision. I just want to mention my thoughts (think thats what a forum is for, discussions).

[Fyodor]

As far as im concerned returning peoples fleets was ridiculous. The server started acting hinky and within a half an hour, the ticks were stopped. Now I had 3 waves on me all of which were covered. After the arbitrary ship recall, I have 2 waves on me, 1 is eta 8 and is not covered as the pateam recalled my defender for that eta. The person who was deffing me was not around when I woke up and left for work. And now I am at work with no IRC to let my alliance know this wave is uncovered. I am emailing those who i need to email in hopes of getting def. All in all, the recall decision may wind up totally screwing my planet, when it had been safe.

[Squishy]

Originally Posted by Kal

becuase today they might have been attacking... its attackers we are really protecitng rather than targets - people who launched and then couldn't check for defence as the game was offline.

Anyway its not changing, it was the correct decision no one gains and no one looses out. Just some people don;t get a gain they thought they might.

^^^^


Exactly

[Dogs]

Originally Posted by Kal

becuase today they might have been attacking... its attackers we are really protecitng rather than targets - people who launched and then couldn't check for defence as the game was offline.

Anyway its not changing, it was the correct decision no one gains and no one looses out. Just some people don;t get a gain they thought they might.

Exactly so everyone stop complaining and just accept it, cos its 100% pointless in arguing an argument that u have 100% no chance of winning

[max_vix]

Originally Posted by Kal

becuase today they might have been attacking... its attackers we are really protecitng rather than targets - people who launched and then couldn't check for defence as the game was offline.

If that was the case...you could have just moved the game back a tick...or delayed the tick till 20:00 or something...to give peeps even longer to get online.

[Squishy]

Who honestly wants the game down for longer?

And how long to u have it down ?

12 hours

14 hours

16 hours

how do u make the decision

[max_vix]

Originally Posted by Dogs

Exactly so everyone stop complaining and just accept it, cos its 100% pointless in arguing an argument that u have 100% no chance of winning

what's the point in having a forum called 'Planetarion discussion' if we can't actually discuss?

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Kal

becuase today they might have been attacking... its attackers we are really protecitng rather than targets - people who launched and then couldn't check for defence as the game was offline.

Anyway its not changing, it was the correct decision no one gains and no one looses out. Just some people don;t get a gain they thought they might.

Its all well and good using situations that could occur.

All in all what you said offers no reason, other than slight possibilities of situations, which if you want me to prove any point i could some up with too.

[CrazySpoon]

Originally Posted by Dogs

Exactly so everyone stop complaining and just accept it, cos its 100% pointless in arguing an argument that u have 100% no chance of winning

Afaik this forum is called Planetarion Discussions, not Planetarion Complaining... Its a freaking discussion. Why not allow people to discus the situation, even if it doesnt change the decision...

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Squishy

Who honestly wants the game down for longer?

And how long to u have it down ?

12 hours

14 hours

16 hours

how do u make the decision

The point is Kal is actually making a decision and using examples to justify it, which for all he knows dont exist. A bit like how he justified cheaters getting slaps on the wrist rather than the proper sentence.

[Dogs]

Originally Posted by max_vix

what's the point in having a forum called 'Planetarion discussion' if we can't actually discuss?

Because this topic aint discussing is it? its something that aint going to change, apart from people are not discussing they are arguing the fact mostly, and for what reason? why? all for nothing because nothing is going to be changed, so why discuss something thing that is'nt going to be changed?

If it aint going to be changed there aint no point in discussing it

lol, how many more ways can i put it?

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Dogs

Because this topic aint discussing is it? its something that aint going to change, apart from people are not discussing they are arguing the fact mostly, and for what reason? why? all for nothing because nothing is going to be changed, so why discuss something thing that is'nt going to be changed?

If it aint going to be changed there aint no point in discussing it

lol, how many more ways can i put it?

As i said before, your accepting the decision but not agreeing with it.

Years of poor customer service etc.

[Dogs]

I agree with the decision because no one looses anything and no one gains anything

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Dogs

I agree with the decision because no one looses anything and no one gains anything

No-one loses anything the other way either, other than what naturally occurs in the game itself.

[Storebo]

Originally Posted by Fyodor

As far as im concerned returning peoples fleets was ridiculous. The server started acting hinky and within a half an hour, the ticks were stopped. Now I had 3 waves on me all of which were covered. After the arbitrary ship recall, I have 2 waves on me, 1 is eta 8 and is not covered as the pateam recalled my defender for that eta. The person who was deffing me was not around when I woke up and left for work. And now I am at work with no IRC to let my alliance know this wave is uncovered. I am emailing those who i need to email in hopes of getting def. All in all, the recall decision may wind up totally screwing my planet, when it had been safe.

Everyone overlooked this poor guy?

[Game^]

Originally Posted by Storebo

Everyone overlooked this poor guy?

Shhhh Storebo your disturbing their perfect world.

[noah02]

With a good few hours been lost in the game are we going to extend the end of the game or get some kind of small bonus?
I just think all them eta 1 ppl (i was eta 9 from an attack and eta5,6,7,8,9 from being attacked)would at least a little something for missing out on 5 - 300 roids they were about to get
I know no one has lost resources as someone said in #planetarion but i dont care i paid for the game and i have been told there is 1 hours ticks till the 8th june.

you know me kal always after freebies

[_Kila_]

Originally Posted by noah02

With a good few hours been lost in the game are we going to extend the end of the game or get some kind of small bonus?
I just think all them eta 1 ppl (i was eta 9 from an attack and eta5,6,7,8,9 from being attacked)would at least a little something for missing out on 5 - 300 roids they were about to get
I know no one has lost resources as someone said in #planetarion but i dont care i paid for the game and i have been told there is 1 hours ticks till the 8th june.

you know me kal always after freebies

jus shutup and play

[noah02]

Originally Posted by _Kila_

jus shutup and play

I was waiting on ur reply.
And i knew it would say that.

[Squishy]

/me spanx noah u god damn leech

[Alessio]

The perfect solution would involve me, 15.000 euro, and a nr 1 rank in PA...
but I suppose what the PA team did is the second best thing

[Kal]

All fleets have now been recalled - it was only just done - so anyone saying theirs hadn't been earlier was right - none had been at that stage. TIcker is restarted and we are good to go.