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Unread 21 Sep 2012, 17:36   #51
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Re: Well done Ult

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Oh sorry i forgot you were a member of Apprime who knew what we were doing this round... or wait ah man you ain't? That might explain your retarded claim. Maybe if we were planning on winning we would have hit Ult but we do n......... do i actually have to say it AGAIN?

seriously you ppl need to go buy some glasses, like this it isn't working
Stop acting like a retard. Ofc Apprime aimed for the win, but that does not mean they would do everything to achieve it. Hence why you are once again helping the rats to another win.
Too bad ultores wouldnt give the same aid back if tje positions were switched
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Unread 21 Sep 2012, 17:38   #52
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What would that change, and how?
Maybe they would have harder to backstab each other?
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Maybe they would have harder to backstab each other?
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Stop acting like a retard. Ofc Apprime aimed for the win, but that does not mean they would do everything to achieve it. Hence why you are once again helping the rats to another win.
Too bad ultores wouldnt give the same aid back if tje positions were switched
Are you acting like a retard or are you an ACTUAL retard?

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Two alliances that don't have to worry about the other creating a megablock to roid them dry in a week. Why on earth they would stick together, as opposed to joining the backstabbing ****s that the last 5 days have shown make up the vast majority in the PA political landscape, is something I will never understand. Fortunately, the last 6 rounds have shown that no one else does either.

P.S. In case anyone had any doubts, there is no Ultores and Apprime have no NAP "in place for next round". That's just another example of Forest feeling unconstrained by insignificant things like "truth".
This post gets right to the heart of what is being debated in this thread. No one who is decent in PA wants to work with anyone who twats about and shamelessly drops relationships to get ahead when the actual objective of getting together in the first place isn't actually achieved. If someone is fed up of the situation described in this thread, it's down to them to be less terrible to deal with. This also helps the game in general as being good to deal with builds relationships, and good relationships make people want to stay and bring others along to the party.

In fact, this kind of view is consistent with Apprime not giving a toss about winning being a genuine assertion. If they felt motivated to win, they would have tried to make the best of it with people who are shitty to work with and try their luck. And even when you are trying to win, situations like this try your patience like you would never believe. As Apprime weren't trying to win, they probably went for the least stressful option that got half decent results.

And part of being terrible to work with is inferring agreements preexist before a round starts. It's a sure-fire way to make them happen by your own paranoid behaviour forcing them to work together!
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Unread 21 Sep 2012, 18:15   #56
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Hence why you are once again helping the rats to another win.
I can't read this without laughing, by the way.
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Unread 21 Sep 2012, 20:21   #57
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Re: Well done Ult

Is everyone completely oblivious to the fact that the reason App have sided with Ult, is because every other dumbshit ally has decided to hit App, resulting in App raping said allies as part of retalliation. It's the blocks and ONLY the blocks fault that App and Ult have become friendly. Remember when Ult first started App hated us
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Re: Well done Ult

congrats ult , can see you winning the next few rounds aswell if its only the usual suspects up against you because as far as I am aware they have not come up with a cure for stupidity yet
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Re: Well done Ult

i feel poor for Apprime members. Being in an ally where the goal is galwin!
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i feel poor for Apprime members. Being in an ally where the goal is galwin!
last i checked goal was to have fun... and fun we have, laughing at all the stupidity that is being shown on these boards and in various irc channels over the past few weeks.
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I can't read this without laughing, by the way.
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Unread 22 Sep 2012, 01:32   #62
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Re: Well done Ult

First of all Betty Boob, stop being an apprime wannabe.. you likely dont even know why apprime calls us "rats" nor would you have any reason of using the name since you werent involved.

Secondly stop talking about politics, you are the prime example of political failure.

Thirdly, since you already have a dogs IQ, you might be better of trying to present yourself as one, atleast theres a chance people would actually like you then. Aslong you dont start your annoying bark again that is.
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Felt i should comment, im app and app is loads of fun no emo over lost fleet or roids we dont care what happens aslong as we have fun doing it really enjoying myself for first round in ages.

As for this gal win thing pretty much all of app know how app is and has been for some time its like a santuary for the players who wanna play the game and not worry too much about anything else. There for not caring for alliance to succeed just playing there planets doesnt that sound like so much more fun, you over sleep and dont come on to defend oh well coma moment no one will bitch at you for not coming on or crashing fleet or making bad calcs (you know who im on about) hehe.

You guys bitch and moan about ult always wins but you use same tactics every round.

Butcher i think you were refering to actually having a HC bp but what would be more entertaining would be admins actually placing every head hc of say the top 10 alliances into 1 gal so they constantly communicate with each other id find that gal hilarious (which ally wipes out there hc's gal first hehe).

Probably a bad idea but having gm cardi and say zwan and santa in same gal trying to avoid each other as one of them is about to launch mass attack on the others alliance and then having to deal with it straight away hehe
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First of all Betty Boob, stop being an apprime wannabe.. you likely dont even know why apprime calls us "rats" nor would you have any reason of using the name since you werent involved.

Secondly stop talking about politics, you are the prime example of political failure.

Thirdly, since you already have a dogs IQ, you might be better of trying to present yourself as one, atleast theres a chance people would actually like you then. Aslong you dont start your annoying bark again that is.
don't you feel good about yourself now acting like the local playground bully, please next time say something that actually contributes to this discussion....
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This post gets right to the heart of what is being debated in this thread. No one who is decent in PA wants to work with anyone who twats about and shamelessly drops relationships to get ahead when the actual objective of getting together in the first place isn't actually achieved. If someone is fed up of the situation described in this thread, it's down to them to be less terrible to deal with. This also helps the game in general as being good to deal with builds relationships, and good relationships make people want to stay and bring others along to the party.

In fact, this kind of view is consistent with Apprime not giving a toss about winning being a genuine assertion. If they felt motivated to win, they would have tried to make the best of it with people who are shitty to work with and try their luck. And even when you are trying to win, situations like this try your patience like you would never believe. As Apprime weren't trying to win, they probably went for the least stressful option that got half decent results.

And part of being terrible to work with is inferring agreements preexist before a round starts. It's a sure-fire way to make them happen by your own paranoid behaviour forcing them to work together!
For some reason people just still hate app more then ultores, go figure...
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don't you feel good about yourself now acting like the local playground bully, please next time say something that actually contributes to this discussion....
So, what did your comment bring to the table?

Or do you just feel sorry that bb will make a fool of himself in the hope of responding? In the end he is your clown, if you dont want me to tell him what to do keep him and his dumb comments of the forums.
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Re: Well done Ult

Bbutch3r taught me everything i know about pa! Thats why apprimes politics is like it is mkay!
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For some reason people just still hate app more then ultores, go figure...
It is not a case of hating app.

It is a case of Cardi telling people that app can do what they like cause 'we already won' and cardi throwing around lots of insults about useless alliances, combined with Ult saying they don't mind if app win.

Let us be very clear, when I put this block together it was very late in the round and I had to deal with previous failings from different sides, including my own.

We knew there was NO way we could take both down and stop them winning so we had a choice.
We had a discussion amongst us and felt that although at the time we could have taken down Ult, it was more fun to take down Cardi/app.

Now, this whole thread has been about 'app not caring and just having fun.
Yet when we do it, we are idiots?

Lots of people are now having fun (Lo spammer), we decided to hit app and not ult and we make no apoligies for it. If you don't like it, well WE don't care either

This round has been the most apathetic I have ever seen in pa, a round where truly people don't care and where activity across alliances has been shocking.

The fact that the two most active player bases felt a need to work together (116 planets v 800), not just this round but in previous rounds (as per my quote on page one), just goes to show how they see the game, and it is no surprise when people work together to try and combat that.

Just a sobering thought but look at the genuine power alliances of the years gone by:
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Now think, how many of those alliances would lose to a current day Ult?
I would venture none
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Re: Well done Ult

Surely there is a difference between working together and not working against each other.

Simple fact of the matter is... Stop making blocks, blocks force alliances who don't like blocking into not working against each other (big difference between that and being together).

Apprime were never gonna hit ultores because that would have justified the creation of any block this round, in the end all that happened was the ego took over, destroying their own and there block buddy alliances whilst ult and app sat there having fun sharing out planet, gal and alliance wins
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You napped Ult right?

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I suggested to Baddars that napping Ultores would remove us for being the first alliance hit when Ultores/App hit back against the block. He made that decision though ultimately.
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Re: Well done Ult

Indeed. Pussy.

You take as much responsibility for this as anyone.

Your new alliance is doomed.
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Indeed. Pussy.

You take as much responsibility for this as anyone.

Your new alliance is doomed.
Nice to see that we all start without bitterness every round. If you feel the need to issue threats before a round starts (or the last one has even ended) then as long as it made you happy then im happy for you
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Nice to see that we all start without bitterness every round. If you feel the need to issue threats before a round starts (or the last one has even ended) then as long as it made you happy then im happy for you
i wouldn't worry too much tho, the amount of 'no way ult is gonna win next round' comments i have seen over the past rounds is hilarious considering how they are gonna win their 6th in a row.
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Re: Well done Ult

Pre round ult knows that there's about 4 alliances who will try take them down for a sustained period before the round even starts, so you complain because ult finds a friend to help? Spare me.
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and if you can't roid two alliances to dirt with the 5 other alliances in your block with these stats i wouldn't bother showing up next round and pretend that you're competing for #1
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and if you can't roid two alliances to dirt with the 5 other alliances in your block with these stats i wouldn't bother showing up next round and pretend that you're competing for #1
I think the problem is a little more than that tho... these 5 on 1 gangbangs drain out the targets roids too quickly, this in turn cause member apathy towards raids because of the lack of roids on offer (members always want fat easy targets), this then leads to the block losing pace as its attack potency dies off through underclaiming and soloing and hey presto the target is back in the game.

Atleast if you fight on equal terms then there will always be fat targets on each side as the roids will swap more frequently and it will take you longer to work through your rivals planets, unlike the 2 day wars we see now.
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Re: Well done Ult

basically comes down to the alliance members wanting to play for their planet rank, the culture needs to change in block alliances if they want to win.
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Block alliances need to realise blocks dont work, then we might start getting somewhere....
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Block alliances need to realise blocks dont work, then we might start getting somewhere....
block alliances work fine. it's alliances that block that don't work.
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Re: Well done Ult

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The fact that the two most active player bases felt a need to work together (116 planets v 800), not just this round but in previous rounds (as per my quote on page one), just goes to show how they see the game, and it is no surprise when people work together to try and combat that.
Didn't the other alliances push them together this round?
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Didn't the other alliances push them together this round?
Not according to Ult hc who stated 'they wouldn't attack apprime cause apprime have supported ult the past few rounds'

I can only go by what I am told, of course
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i wouldn't worry too much tho, the amount of 'no way ult is gonna win next round' comments i have seen over the past rounds is hilarious considering how they are gonna win their 6th in a row.
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Re: Well done Ult

Can someone please explain how other alliances could have prevented both Apprime and Ultores from winning, within the limits of their capabilities, without 'blocking' together?


It saddens me when people say "you can't make Apprime hit Ultores by hitting them" - partly because it's true, but mostly because it should work. There should be enough incentive for Apprime to win to not hold grudges to those alliances and work with them in order defeat Ultores. Sadly that's not the case and we end up with some half assed round that's over before it's over.
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simply by being better. only reason app n ult get blocked against is because they're better.
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So you're saying the HCs made the right decision to block together, realizing they weren't as good?
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Can someone please explain how other alliances could have prevented both Apprime and Ultores from winning, within the limits of their capabilities, without 'blocking' together?
They couldn't. They couldn't do it by blocking either. So the real question is what they were trying to accomplish by blocking at all - if they thought that blocking was enough to stop both, then why were they so reliant on Ult and App hitting each other to accomplish this.

If they wanted Apprime to win, then why did they attack Apprime at all?
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Re: Well done Ult

If Apprime and Ultores really had no intention of fighting each other, I guess the motivation was to prevent them from farming the others for 2-3 weeks. I don't really think any of those alliances saw themselves winning, but I could be wrong. I know HaveN knew damn well they couldn't handle any incs, I think politics went as well as they could for us, even with the onslaught of the last few days in mind.
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If they wanted Apprime to win, then why did they attack Apprime at all?
Apprime spent all this round attacking with SKs - why would anyone want them to win?
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They didn't want app to win, that's the point.
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First of all Betty Boob, stop being an apprime wannabe.. you likely dont even know why apprime calls us "rats" nor would you have any reason of using the name since you werent involved.

Secondly stop talking about politics, you are the prime example of political failure.

Thirdly, since you already have a dogs IQ, you might be better of trying to present yourself as one, atleast theres a chance people would actually like you then. Aslong you dont start your annoying bark again that is.

I started playing this game long before most of in Apprime, and my views on how a alliance should work and interact with everyone else was set long before i came back to PA. I dont see how you think i am a App wannabe. If i was a App wannabe, why wouldnt i just try to join them?
I have my own reasons to use the name that App gave them. If you want to call me a political failure, please care to explain it.
Im not here to make people like me, just accept my views, or agree our views are diffrent, or sod off you poor man. Not everyone is weakminded and without self respect
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They couldn't. They couldn't do it by blocking either. So the real question is what they were trying to accomplish by blocking at all - if they thought that blocking was enough to stop both, then why were they so reliant on Ult and App hitting each other to accomplish this.

If they wanted Apprime to win, then why did they attack Apprime at all?
Ofc the "block" Couldve made someone else than ult/app win.
You must be less bright not to understand what is trying to be communicated here, dS/FAnG/CT/HvN in the past has actualy been playing for the win themself, and didnt want to be a alliance who was there to flagship another allie. Afaik, some 37 rounds ago there was made an effort to put this habbit in alliances to an end? So quick we forget.
Maybe we should go back to stagnation and rounds being over before pt300?
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It saddens me when people say "you can't make Apprime hit Ultores by hitting them" - partly because it's true, but mostly because it should work. There should be enough incentive for Apprime to win to not hold grudges to those alliances.
I don't think it is so much the fact Apprime held a grudge against those alliances, but the fact that they would clearly be next as soon as Ultores would have lost some ~30k roids. The block had blocked against Apprime prior to asking Apprime to hit Ultores, and thus probably had better relations amongst eachother.

All in all this resulted in a no-win situation for Apprime, where if Apprime opted to fight Ultores they would have been hit by the block+ultores for probably the last week. Something Apprime knew full well they wouldnt have been capable to deal with. Instead they opted not to fight Ultores when the block was formed and got the incs they would have gotten anyhow.

The block leaders should realise that none of them has the power to win a round with 2 powerhouse alliances and should have build their politics around that. Prior to the round many members of the blockalliances swore Ultores would not win again. Yet somehow politics from day 1 made clear that it would just be a repeat of recent rounds, just with a stronger Apprime to take #2 instead of #6.
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Not according to Ult hc who stated 'they wouldn't attack apprime cause apprime have supported ult the past few rounds'

I can only go by what I am told, of course
the word "support" was never used

[22:25:38] [agar3ss]: only thing apprime & ult did was avoid eachother
[22:25:45] [agar3ss]: we didnt even block
[22:25:51] [agar3ss]: besides for 1/2 nights on ct

was also said to you..
atleast pay attention to all the things said equally, instead of just remembering 1 line out of a 20 minute conversation
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If Apprime and Ultores really had no intention of fighting each other, I guess the motivation was to prevent them from farming the others for 2-3 weeks. I don't really think any of those alliances saw themselves winning, but I could be wrong. I know HaveN knew damn well they couldn't handle any incs, I think politics went as well as they could for us, even with the onslaught of the last few days in mind.
When tags were bigger CT had 1 plan, make a block as big as possible and bully a picked out alliance. Ofcourse the smarter allies are going to avoid eachother while CT does their thing, now after the CT block hits several allies, why in hell would anyone want to be part of it..

All this blocking wasnt even needed, ANY alliance could roid another 1v1. Paisley did such a horrible job at making the stats that it was possible. On that note, CT still goes into the round trying to make a block to attack, now take in mind that the only time ult coordinated an attack till the present time is 2 nights on CT, just for the sake of punishing them.

Conclusion is, no alliance with any decency will help an alliance like CT achieve any kind of block, blocks just force the allies that can handle their own shit to group together and make sure to counter it.
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I started playing this game long before most of in Apprime, and my views on how a alliance should work and interact with everyone else was set long before i came back to PA. I dont see how you think i am a App wannabe. If i was a App wannabe, why wouldnt i just try to join them?
I have my own reasons to use the name that App gave them. If you want to call me a political failure, please care to explain it.
Im not here to make people like me, just accept my views, or agree our views are diffrent, or sod off you poor man. Not everyone is weakminded and without self respect
You are an example of being weak in the head tho :|
About the apprime wannabe, yes you are one. You would not use the word rats if apprime didnt use it. You are the kind of guy that takes over a word someone else uses and thinks he invented it right? Or are you saying you would have used the word "rats" on ultores if apprime didnt use it?

Anyway your view of politics is indeed very different from mine, i ll put it in a picture you maybe for once you will understand.
Here i go.. Lets put your way of politics in your interactions with friends..
Your friend has a girlfriend you fancy, with your logic you would still try to sleep with her instead of respecting your friend.
Or you take my logic and you would show some respect and not bother trying to sleep with her.
Now we both evaluate what happens:
1. Your friend will backstab you.
2. Your friend will not backstab you.

Now please give me an answer and tell me your way of doing politics is better then mine and tell me why.
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When tags were bigger CT had 1 plan, make a block as big as possible and bully a picked out alliance. Ofcourse the smarter allies are going to avoid eachother while CT does their thing, now after the CT block hits several allies, why in hell would anyone want to be part of it..

All this blocking wasnt even needed, ANY alliance could roid another 1v1. Paisley did such a horrible job at making the stats that it was possible. On that note, CT still goes into the round trying to make a block to attack, now take in mind that the only time ult coordinated an attack till the present time is 2 nights on CT, just for the sake of punishing them.

Conclusion is, no alliance with any decency will help an alliance like CT achieve any kind of block, blocks just force the allies that can handle their own shit to group together and make sure to counter it.
Ult/App/DFKTW has been coordinating attacks all round? Where do you get your intel from? Please just stop posting lies and BS. There has been two blocks hitting each other all round.
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You are an example of being weak in the head tho :|
About the apprime wannabe, yes you are one. You would not use the word rats if apprime didnt use it. You are the kind of guy that takes over a word someone else uses and thinks he invented it right? Or are you saying you would have used the word "rats" on ultores if apprime didnt use it?

Anyway your view of politics is indeed very different from mine, i ll put it in a picture you maybe for once you will understand.
Here i go.. Lets put your way of politics in your interactions with friends..
Your friend has a girlfriend you fancy, with your logic you would still try to sleep with her instead of respecting your friend.
Or you take my logic and you would show some respect and not bother trying to sleep with her.
Now we both evaluate what happens:
1. Your friend will backstab you.
2. Your friend will not backstab you.

Now please give me an answer and tell me your way of doing politics is better then mine and tell me why.
WTH are you talking about? ODDR did not backstab our allies?
I call em rats because their ethics is shit. There is a lot of nice people in Ult, but a big part of their playerbase and HC team is rotten selfish pricks without any loyality and moral imho.
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Ult/App/DFKTW has been coordinating attacks all round? Where do you get your intel from? Please just stop posting lies and BS. There has been two blocks hitting each other all round.
Your intel there is totally wrong, ult hasnt done any coordinated with apprime except for 2 nights on CT.
DFWTK normally doesnt even avoid ults in their raids, let alone stand that we coordinated..

Go talk to HC's from both allies and get back to me.
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