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Unread 25 Nov 2006, 23:38   #1
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NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

There have been repeated claims that the merger of Omen & Angels had nothing to do with trying to win; you claim it was simply a matter of revitalizing your membership and of creating something for the future.

The problem of course is that no-one outside of FO believes that for a minute.

You also claim that you don't care about who wins, as long as it isn't exi.

You have aproached ND about the possibility of ending our NAP to exi & all of us joining in together to stop the evil exi empire.

The problem with that is, if we do succeed in defeating exi, the likely winner of the round would of course be FO.

FO winning the round after the merge is a possibility that is unacceptable to us. We would rather continue to hit FO for the remainder of the round & let exi waltz to victory then accept the possibility of FO winning.

So here is our proposal:

We will agree to give immediate notification to exi that we will end our NAP.
At the end of which time we will commence on coordinated full scale hostilities towards exi.
You will agree that no matter what the outcome of the following wars is, you will on the last day of ticks remove enough people from the FO tag that you will finish below ND in the alliance rankings.

This gives you an opportunity to prove that the purpose of the merger wasn't to try to steal the win, it also gives you an opportunity to stop exi from winning the round handily.

If you are serious about the claims you have made regarding your merger, then we're sure these terms will be acceptable.

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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

I see. Possibly this could involve some sort of foot-shooting contest?









Oh no wait I see you're way ahead of me there!
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Unread 25 Nov 2006, 23:42   #3
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

How could we, when our feet have been cut out from under us?

We're simply tired of taking the piss from people who want to control Planetarion's politics with underhanded blackmail. Enough is enough.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

It'd be intresting to see an alliance that has a history of doing "Threaten Both Sides FTW"-style politics agree to this sort of thing, only to fail to comply with the agreement in the end.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

This is our answer to Failing Omens stance in a meeting we had with them, where they rejected all possible deals we could offer them. The only thing they wanted to accept was us to break the 72 hour notification period with eXi and attack them straight away. NewDawn is an alliance that takes pride in it's honor towards players and alliances. We are not an alliance to break agreements, this post isn't backstabbing, it is our last resort in a politically messed up round like this.
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This is our answer to Failing Omens stance in a meeting we had with them, where they rejected all possible deals we could offer them. The only thing they wanted to accept was us to break the 72 hour notification period with eXi and attack them straight away. NewDawn is an alliance that takes pride in it's honor towards players and alliances. We are not an alliance to break agreements, this post isn't backstabbing, it is our last resort in a politically messed up round like this.
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especially if Heartless is still buying!!
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

lol Very interesting thread. Inteligent and amusing at the same time. Perhaps we could see somone of the lovely HC Team from omen/angels to post regarding this?

I once had ND down as an alliance that would sit back and watch how things took place. Not anymore. I have respect for anyone that goes publically in calling another alliance, which is trying to force pollitics onto others, out.

I have said in most threads that Angels pollitics have failed them completly this round, perhaps now we will see a more public display of them failing.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

So here we have ND as one of only 2 alliances who are really able to compete anywhere near exil's level but ND arent willing to goto war with exil to prevent them walking away with the round because you feel its wrong that they should benifit from a merge*

So rather than doing what you should do and hitting exil together and then fighting it out once the tasks complete you want FO to agree to hand you the round. How does that make you any better than FO, it would be a farce and the rounds been farcical enough with all the mergers to get around the alliance limits/score system without this


* which btw is hugely hypocritical, when it was lower down the rankings that alliances were doing this the likes of ND members were calling me a 'moaner' yet as soon as it potentially stop you winning a round its an issue
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Unread 26 Nov 2006, 00:45   #11
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

Honor? New Dawn never had anything else then arrogance. Im not saying that exi would actually deserve the win, since omen and new dawn worked their asses off to make sure they win the round, but since they are the only alliance which did not make fools of themselves, their victory is absolutly legitimate.

I am however 100% sure that any other alliance, no matter if its Angels, Omen, VsN or maybe even New Dawn in with the same political relations and membersize of exilition would have won in the same situation.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

either way this post is sure to create a fun last few weeks of pa who ever wins

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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

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lol Very interesting thread. Inteligent and amusing at the same time. Perhaps we could see somone of the lovely HC Team from omen/angels to post regarding this?

I once had ND down as an alliance that would sit back and watch how things took place. Not anymore. I have respect for anyone that goes publically in calling another alliance, which is trying to force pollitics onto others, out.

I have said in most threads that Angels pollitics have failed them completly this round, perhaps now we will see a more public display of them failing.
I actually wanted to reply only once, but this one is worth at least another reply. A short one:

"LOL"
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I actually wanted to reply only once, but this one is worth at least another reply. A short one:

"LOL"
they must have given you and mek the keys to the ND whine wagon this round eh?
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

oh how insightful of you leff.
From what I can see, you have three options
Reject the proposal and lose the round
Accept the proposal and lose the round
or Accept the proposal, backstab to win the round and lose any credibility for future rounds.

the balls in your court, which shall it be?
( grats to ND for doing this publically btw, masterstroke of PR )
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hehe too bad nd are crap targets :/ you damn bunch of orange xp whores, no wonder you feel the heat and did the only thing you could do nobos haha
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

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oh how insightful of you leff.
From what I can see, you have three options
Reject the proposal and lose the round
Accept the proposal and lose the round
or Accept the proposal, backstab to win the round and lose any credibility for future rounds.

the balls in your court, which shall it be?
( grats to ND for doing this publically btw, masterstroke of PR )
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haha this is great.

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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

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There have been repeated claims that the merger of Omen & Angels had nothing to do with trying to win; you claim it was simply a matter of revitalizing your membership and of creating something for the future.

The problem of course is that no-one outside of FO believes that for a minute.

You also claim that you don't care about who wins, as long as it isn't exi.

You have aproached ND about the possibility of ending our NAP to exi & all of us joining in together to stop the evil exi empire.

The problem with that is, if we do succeed in defeating exi, the likely winner of the round would of course be FO.

FO winning the round after the merge is a possibility that is unacceptable to us. We would rather continue to hit FO for the remainder of the round & let exi waltz to victory then accept the possibility of FO winning.

So here is our proposal:

We will agree to give immediate notification to exi that we will end our NAP.
At the end of which time we will commence on coordinated full scale hostilities towards exi.
You will agree that no matter what the outcome of the following wars is, you will on the last day of ticks remove enough people from the FO tag that you will finish below ND in the alliance rankings.

This gives you an opportunity to prove that the purpose of the merger wasn't to try to steal the win, it also gives you an opportunity to stop exi from winning the round handily.

If you are serious about the claims you have made regarding your merger, then we're sure these terms will be acceptable.

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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

There is no way FO will go for this. They still think they can win. The value difference alone should be enough to tell FO that they will be #2 within 48 hours and #3 or #4 before round end.

By not taking this offer FO is going to get targeted non stop by eXi and with ND still in the mutual avoidance agreement ND will be able to take the #2 slot again.

Bold move ND but FO would rather be 3rd or 4th than 2nd.
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There is no way FO will go for this. They still think they can win. The value difference alone should be enough to tell FO that they will be #2 within 48 hours and #3 or #4 before round end.

By not taking this offer FO is going to get targeted non stop by eXi and with ND still in the mutual avoidance agreement ND will be able to take the #2 slot again.

Bold move ND but FO would rather be 3rd or 4th than 2nd.
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in a way i feel sorry for ND saying we will only take on exil if FO drop members out of tag to let them win....can they not do any better :P or at lest work for it
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Can we get an Official response any soon? The clock is ticking!
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Why don't Exi attack ND Now that they've shown they're wantin to take em down :P Everyones thinkin it
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

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Why don't Exi attack ND Now that they've shown they're wantin to take em down :P Everyones thinkin it
If eX attacked ND now they'd be a) breaking the 72 hour NAP agreement and b) encouraging ND incs on them right away.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

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Why don't Exi attack ND Now that they've shown they're wantin to take em down :P Everyones thinkin it
why should they start a war when they can have victory without fighting the whole round long
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We will agree to give immediate notification to exi that we will end our NAP.
At the end of which time we will commence on coordinated full scale hostilities towards exi.
You will agree that no matter what the outcome of the following wars is, you will on the last day of ticks remove enough people from the FO tag that you will finish below ND in the alliance rankings.
So the only way you can beat eXilition is if FO help you? And the only way you can beat FO is if FO throw the victory on the last day? And you would trust them to agree to do this? I don't have enough drugs to make this make sense

Why not just agree to hit eXilition after 72 hours, and accept that if FO do so more profitably than you do, then they win? Why not just play it straight, and hope that eX will expend more energy hitting FO than hitting you? By going public with these kinds of political machinations, you're making FO look like they might even be justified in their behaviour.

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Why not just agree to hit eXilition after 72 hours, and accept that if FO do so more profitably than you do, then they win? Why not just play it straight, and hope that eX will expend more energy hitting FO than hitting you? By going public with these kinds of political machinations, you're making FO look like they might even be justified in their behaviour.


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for the love of god why are you all trying so hard to help exilition win, why not me
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look at gates ideas nd hc. those are the way to go. I even nominated one of his posts where he proposes to all "smaller" block members to nap nd&fo and fight exi with em. Afterwards nd and fo will have one week or something to fight it out. So how about it? Doesnt that sound reasonable?
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

Congratulations eXi on winning the round...

On-topic:
whoever thought of that proposal should be shot...
IF FO would accept it and do what you ask, they would be throwing away their chance at #1 completly and lose all credibility to their members. Even if they would accept it, if they allready know they can't win, why would they even try hard at attacking eXi?
They can't win anyway so why even bother?


To me this is just ND's way of making sure they won't be blamed if eXi wins the round. Thats probably the reason they made a proposal like that on a public forum, for everyone to read...

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We wanted to attack them together with FO and maybe have a small chance to win, but they wouldn't agree to the terms, so we kept the nap with eXi instead...
A quote i guess we'll be seeing alot in the future...
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We're tired of a few things:

1) Furious Omen saying that they didn't merge to beat the scoring system to win.
2) Being blamed for not single-handedly attacking the alliance with the highest concentration of value.
3) An ill-founded perception of our unwillingness to make political moves to win the round.
4) stupid people.

if any of the accusations were, in any form, accurate, then the ferocious beast that is AD would be completely justified with funny cute little posts like add's. However, that's not the case. We play our round, we don't deal with liars, and that's that.

This post was meant to illustrate that should, HAHA, Furious Omen stop ****ing about by treating us as an inferior alliance that should do their dirty work for them, we don't hold grudges like they do. Read into it what you will.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

Sooo... What you guys are saying is:

1) Hit eXilition for us.

2) Take our incomings of us.

3) In the unimaginale case that you should be above us in score at the last day of the round, hand us your ranking.



That's the best offer you can give?
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Sooo... What you guys are saying is:

1) Hit eXilition for us.

2) Take our incomings of us.

3) In the unimaginale case that you should be above us in score at the last day of the round, hand us your ranking.

No, no qebab. The first two options are what we were offered by your HC. The third is our comedy gold response.

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Drunk as I am, I might change my mind tomorrow. But right now, I take this as a mockery. Which is hardly the right way to propose a political change that, ideally would give you the win this round.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

isnt furious omen already a running joke having done this merger? Its not like ND need to try hard in order to make fun of you.

That said, neither of you are going to win with the status quo.
Angels have already said they do not want exilition to win, Is this still the case or have you decided to settle for third place since you sure aint gonna be second so long as ND and Exil are napped and dont make me laugh about your chances for #1.
You're already going to be taking 'their incs' from exil as it is so what do you have to lose?
Nothing as far as i can see. Its a lose-lose situation for you already, the best you can do is save face by achieving a round aim of stopping exilition and clawing back some credibility after this merger you've done by showing it wasnt done 'to try and win'.

Together theres at least a chance ( though im not sure how large a chance, personally. If i were HC of ND / FO i would want more alliances to join in with us ) that you'll be able to stop exilition from taking the win this round.

edit: Is there actually going to be an official response; Yay/Nay ?
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

Again, we proposed the change. It was shot down because of a stubborn refusal to accept anything less than ND backing out of a political agreement to suit Shoshuro's demands.

We tried....again...and nobody stepped up.

This is a mockery. Then again, so are the priorities demonstrated by Furious Omen HC's to date. Fix it, we'll talk.
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isnt furious omen already a running joke having done this merger? Its not like ND need to try hard in order to make fun of you.
Wether or not you like it, this "proposal" was done in order to give ND an eventual round win.

The #3 of the "demands" was the least of my concerns as I read it, as previously mentioned several places, FO did not do the merge to win the round as much as to ensure survival from both the parties in the merge.

However by doing this publically ND has achieved:

1) There is no reason why eXilition shouldn't go full force at FO which is hardly the right move if you actually want this to succeed (Which I am starting to doubt after reading this).

2) There is no motivational factor for FO members to do their best as a collective to do an achievement this round, as any achievement they do will be removed and ranked below ND.

3) You increased the level of despision for ND that was already apparent in the playerbase of FO, which reduces the possibility of political cooperations in future rounds.

Smart move indeed? Heh.

Edit; As mentioned already I am under the influence of alcohol and might change my mind tomorrow. But doing this in a way such as this still surprises me due to the sheer amount of idiocity in it.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

Here's your best case scenario.

1) ND end their NAP with eX right this second. Not a tick longer.
2) ToF/VsN/FO and whoever else may be interested divide up eX targets and start hitting them non-stop. Bear in mind between those three alliances you have 720 fleet slots. Regardless eX only have ~180 fleet slots maximum. Even assuming everyone has to triple team up to attack an eX planet even just those alliances will still be able to give all planets incoming.
3) Anyone defending any eX player ingal for the rest of the round will be kicked from their alliance and considered free game for anyone in any of the involved alliances with a free fleet. Agree that no involved alliance accepts these players for the rest of the round.
4) The instant ND's 72 ticks are over they launch full-force on eXi. Even if all the other alliances can do is hold eX down for three days, the addition of the extra military strength can force the issue.
5) Withdraw this inane demand. I shudder to think how this was allowed to get this far. If FO end this round ahead of ND they'll deserve it. There's no shame in that for ND, they outlasted (I hesitate to say defeated with the horrible way wars seem to happen this round) two alliances who most people would have rated ahead of them who had to merge together to finish ahead of them. All this proves is that in a game of score accumulation 80 odd people got beaten by the pick of 160.
6) Incidentally depending on the terms of the agreement ND could run out-of-tag defence for any of the aforementioned alliances receiving eX incs. Or the members can decide themselves not to listen to their HC and defend against eXi.
7) If FO et al refuse to hit eX for the next three days then hit them together with ND after that. Of course this is batshit insane. Who the hell else are they going to be launching at in the meantime? F-Crew?
8) Demanding that another alliance finish behind you while asking for their help is almost certainly the worst political move I have seen in nineteen rounds of Planetarion. Threats towards FO of not even finishing second are just silly. Like anyone's going to give a shit over who finishes second or third. There is absolutely no way I'd accept this as FO HC and I doubt anyone from ND would if the situations were reversed. I mean you're trying to start up a new alliance and get a war going to give your members a shot at success and your potential allies request you hit a stronger alliance first and then remove members at the end to ensure you finish behind them. Laugh.





PS I'd actually prefer to see eXilition win, I quite like the people I know there and they've certainly so far played better and harder than any other alliance. Except for stoom. I dislike stoom.
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Wether or not you like it, this "proposal" was done in order to give ND an eventual round win.
Of course it was. Did you expect them to propose this out of the goodness of their heart?
They would like to win, yes but they arent going to suicide themselves by taking exil on alone and letting you snatch second place are they?

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The #3 of the "demands" was the least of my concerns as I read it, as previously mentioned several places, FO did not do the merge to win the round as much as to ensure survival from both the parties in the merge.
You may believe this but others are far more sceptical. What better way to prove it if you do end up in the #1 slot on the second last tick of the round?

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However by doing this publically ND has achieved:

1) There is no reason why eXilition shouldn't go full force at FO which is hardly the right move if you actually want this to succeed (Which I am starting to doubt after reading this).

2) There is no motivational factor for FO members to do their best as a collective to do an achievement this round, as any achievement they do will be removed and ranked below ND.

3) You increased the level of despision for ND that was already apparent in the playerbase of FO, which reduces the possibility of political cooperations in future rounds.

Smart move indeed? Heh.
On the contrary they have
1) Forced you to decide publically which matters most to you. winning at any cost or any remaining honour you may have.
2) Forced you to prove that your merger wasnt a sham as others see it.
3) Put the onus on you to show that you really do not want exil to win and are prepared to go to any length to ensure it - knowing that it will mean you cannot.
4) Set you up as the party to blame should exilition win since they 'gave you a chance' to alter the outcome, only to have it rebuffed
5) Created the possibility of a far more interesting round end where its a bitter fight to the end rather then the one horse race it is now.
6) Set you up to have zero credibility in the next round and several to come if you do backstab them at the end

So yes, its a very clever PR move on their part.
In their position they'll take second if they must. They can sit back and hammer on you to ensure you dont get very far while being safe from any exilition incomings due to their nap. Guess where they'll most likely be going

Perhaps tof will take third and relegate FO to fourth position. Hell its perfectly possible that you end up in sixth as 4-6 are quite close together.
I must admit that would be a highly amusing outcome to me
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Perhaps tof will take third and relegate FO to fourth position. Hell its perfectly possible that you end up in sixth as 4-6 are quite close together.
I must admit that would be a highly amusing outcome to me
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Perhaps tof will take third and relegate FO to fourth position. Hell its perfectly possible that you end up in sixth as 4-6 are quite close together.
I must admit that would be a highly amusing outcome to me
As if the difference between a 2nd and a 6th place makes much matter. Clearly you have a lot of understanding for the alliances that do not actually play for second place.
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Unread 26 Nov 2006, 06:57   #43
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As if the difference between a 2nd and a 6th place makes much matter. Clearly you have a lot of understanding for the alliances that do not actually play for second place.
it makes no difference to the outcome of the round, no. a loss is a loss - however it does make a difference to morale and self esteem. If an alliance playing to win ends up fairly far down in the rankings there is an inevitable hit on morale that can affect the next rounds performance
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it makes no difference to the outcome of the round, no. a loss is a loss - however it does make a difference to morale and self esteem. If an alliance playing to win ends up fairly far down in the rankings there is an inevitable hit on morale that can affect the next rounds performance
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So yes, its a very clever PR move on their part.
In their position they'll take second if they must. They can sit back and hammer on you to ensure you dont get very far while being safe from any exilition incomings due to their nap. Guess where they'll most likely be going
I still disagree. They have more or less ensured that their possible strongest ally in an event of a full out war with eXilition will recieve three days of full force hits by eXilition (How will this benefit ND in a war?), they have given away to eXilition their intentions of breaking the nap they have (Should FO refuse this offer, ND will be butt****ed by eXilition), they have showed a very unprofessionally approach to politics (Which they have accused Angels of doing for rounds, but I still have yet to see Angels give away their intentions of backstabbing "allies" on AD), and they have possibly ****ed up relations with important alliances for the next round (eXilition and FO both).

These are my thoughts at the moment, and given my current condition, I'm sure there are a lot of downsides I didn't think of yet that I will think of when I'm sober again.
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I still disagree. They have more or less ensured that their possible strongest ally in an event of a full out war with eXilition will recieve three days of full force hits by eXilition (How will this benefit ND in a war?)
Unavoidable really. they would need your assistance to have any chance at all. Exil arent stupid - they'll have worked this out and hit you hard anyway

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they have given away to eXilition their intentions of breaking the nap they have (Should FO refuse this offer, ND will be butt****ed by eXilition)
Not necessarily. Exilition know ND know that they dont stand a chance alone. Should FO refuse they'll probably (imo) carry on as usual with the nap knowing that ND wont oppose them.
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they have showed a very unprofessionally approach to politics (Which they have accused Angels of doing for rounds, but I still have yet to see Angels give away their intentions of backstabbing "allies" on AD)
Neither side has come out of this round smelling of roses really. Its the pot calling the kettle black
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and they have possibly ****ed up relations with important alliances for the next round (eXilition and FO both).
Not sure if they've damaged relations with exil that much - and i cant see how they could have made relations with FO worse then they already were before this proposal.
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Re: NewDawn's Official Proposal to Furious Omen

Am I the only one who would Just accept ND's proposal and then let them launch solo at exilition just to show them that they are idiots for even suggesting that agreement.

It would be like every other alliance agreeing to let ND sit at #1 all round, with no one attacking them as long as they disband on the last day.

omg alliances these days are going senile. no one realy has any backbone or killer instinct.



Oh and Yes to all you carebears in ND who dont want an alliance merging to beat you, I can understand that, but damn just kill them after exilition if thats what it takes to win.

Any alliance who doesnt go for a win when its in their grasp should just disband because they are not looking out for the interrests of their own members.
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There is no way FO will go for this. They still think they can win. The value difference alone should be enough to tell FO that they will be #2 within 48 hours and #3 or #4 before round end.

By not taking this offer FO is going to get targeted non stop by eXi and with ND still in the mutual avoidance agreement ND will be able to take the #2 slot again.

Bold move ND but FO would rather be 3rd or 4th than 2nd.

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IF FO would accept it and do what you ask, they would be throwing away their chance at #1 completly and lose all credibility to their members. Even if they would accept it, if they allready know they can't win, why would they even try hard at attacking eXi?
They can't win anyway so why even bother?
Just to re-iterate something that's already been said I'm sure, FO's stance in several meetings and diplomatic discussions was them claiming they didn't want to win this round. Which is a farce and this thread is the response to it.
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I must say I´m really amased. Am I the only one still thinking exi can´t be stopped from winning the round, even if the rest of the universe gangs up on them till round ends? I think I am.
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Id rather see exi win than ND who has suicided fleets like morons most of the round.
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