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14 Oct 2009, 23:26
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Nice to be Loved
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Alliance Tools in PA
I've been impressed with the changes in the alliance tools over the past few rounds. I think new alliances with no one to code web based tools get the most benefit but they are becoming quite good. In an effort to continue helping new alliances I'd like to make some suggestions.........
1) add a point system for def and attacks to rate alliance members
2) change the Intel to allow parsing galaxy incoming into Intel or jpg to help map the galaxy
3) a tool to let the DC see the designated def fleet for each member planet
4) a tool for sms to contact members
5) a place to list member email for member contact
6) a place to keep track of pnick for each member
7) a way to designate a member is not allowed to be defended
8) a way to store comments about each member
9) add a tool to help keep track of schedules for BC, DC and scanners
Well, that's likely enough to draw flak from most of the pa players. I like the alliance tools but I'd just like to see them continually improving. New players starting up fresh deserve some tools the older larger alliances have. I'm sure there are a lot more I haven't considered.
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15 Oct 2009, 06:49
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
Munin has 3, 4, 6, 8. It quite intentionally does not have 1, 7, 9 and probably 5 as well.
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15 Oct 2009, 08:06
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
Mz' response is exactly why i think a basic set of tools and allow external bot access to PA is better than making alot of alliance tools ingame.
99% of the tools ever needed are out in the community, many of them are open source as well.
The needs for each alliance is different, and if PA only provided a set of basic tools, and allowed for bot interraction with the alliance tools ingame, it would be much more usefull than spending hours on hours improving the alliance tools when only a fraction of alliances will use those tools.
Outsourcing is the way!
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15 Oct 2009, 21:11
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
We were talking in #munin and #asc yesterday about the new email features that have been introduced.
Jester's idea was that it'd be great if PA could send HTTP requests (for convenience, other protocols could be used though) to alliances' servers to handle/process the data as well.
Getting our members to forward the emails to our server and making a tool to process the emails is just so much more effort
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16 Oct 2009, 01:23
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Nice to be Loved
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
Although a few years ago I programmed web sites it was nothing like this. I know I have no programmers for the web site my alliance already owns. I might add it hasn't been updated in years. What I have works, but if I don't have coders it's likely new alliances are in the same boat. Believe me I wish I could code. I just thought it'd be nice to see some of the tools. I'll just have to make do and wish new alliances luck. I haven't had any luck finding coders. The large established alliances are the ones with coders. I've heard there are sites with help for new coders...but to be honest........I don't even know what language is used here, much less about the help sites. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. I'll just keep looking.
it was a shot, one never knows until one asks.
I need to add, I know what munion is but not how to use it or where to get it. I've just heard of it.
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16 Oct 2009, 02:14
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Fook Yu
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
Sending sms from alliance pages ingame would be a pretty awesome feature tbh, payment could probably be integrated with credits.
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16 Oct 2009, 07:56
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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Originally Posted by Crantor
I need to add, I know what munion is but not how to use it or where to get it. I've just heard of it.
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see ellonwebs post about merlin , ts an updated version of munin and i believe he has given info on where to get it
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16 Oct 2009, 13:53
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
Just to add, one of my big aims with Merlin was to bring the entry level down, so setting it up for new alliances is hopefully much easier. And re your problems with alliance websites, that's my next major to-do!
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16 Oct 2009, 17:33
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
ellonweb ftw<3
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17 Oct 2009, 13:41
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Netherlands
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
The thing with ingame tools is that it gets reset every round.
I can imagine that you want stuff like phone numbers, e-mail addresses, P nicks and comments about members to be stored and available over multiple rounds.
It could work, but then we would need that portal system where not only players have the same account every round, but alliances too.
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21 Oct 2009, 11:03
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
Mz' response is exactly why i think a basic set of tools and allow external bot access to PA is better than making alot of alliance tools ingame.
99% of the tools ever needed are out in the community, many of them are open source as well.
The needs for each alliance is different, and if PA only provided a set of basic tools, and allowed for bot interraction with the alliance tools ingame, it would be much more usefull than spending hours on hours improving the alliance tools when only a fraction of alliances will use those tools.
Outsourcing is the way!
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disagreed, what is wrong with served and set up ready for everyone to use? idiots, how ever thanks who ever is publicing tools for others use, thats certainly helpfull too, for pa team to steal for example
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21 Oct 2009, 11:16
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NewDawn
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Stavanger, Norway
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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Originally Posted by Ave
disagreed, what is wrong with served and set up ready for everyone to use? idiots, how ever thanks who ever is publicing tools for others use, thats certainly helpfull too, for pa team to steal for example
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So whenever you want a function that is usefull for you, which others would find silly or not so usefull, you should have your system?
I'm not against having a basic set of tools ingame.
Without the community, even half of the tools ingame wouldn't exist, because PA team has no clue what people need.
And I honestly believe PA team could use their time to improve the actual gameplay instead of nitpicking on features.
Open up for outside access to the alliance tools and let the people that know whats needed do the work.
Both Munin (and Merlin), and the NewDawn webbie/bots is open source, and im quite sure there is more than that out there.
Theese are all tools that have been worked on and perfected for rounds, and we find it still needs new additions, all the time.
I'm 100% confident the ingame alliance tools will never be as advanced as some of the alliance tools that are selfmade, and they will never be good enough for those that run their own alliance tools.
So as a conclusion, I'm all for having a basic set of tools ingame.
But unless it's something gamechanging, i'd rather that they opened up and let the alliances chip in their contribution.
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21 Oct 2009, 18:23
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
the NewDawn webbie/bots is open source
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link please!
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21 Oct 2009, 22:30
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Norway.
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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Originally Posted by ellonweb
link please!
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Beware! Remember to use a proper sandbox. Some nasty crashes surrounding the ND sphere. ;-P
On a serious note, if ND has open sourced their tools and opened them up for third parties then gw and cudos to you.
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22 Oct 2009, 15:52
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You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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Originally Posted by Hydrax
The thing with ingame tools is that it gets reset every round.
I can imagine that you want stuff like phone numbers, e-mail addresses, P nicks and comments about members to be stored and available over multiple rounds.
It could work, but then we would need that portal system where not only players have the same account every round, but alliances too.
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Not really, you'd only need to have the portal system for planets. Then they input those details once into there account preferences and it saves them.. Then whenever they join an alliance, they have the option to make them visable to the alliance HC's/DC's.
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23 Oct 2009, 00:18
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NewDawn
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Stavanger, Norway
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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link please!
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It can be found at http://git.ruin.nu
It's open source, and you're all free to use it, but we do not offer any support for it, atleast not on the technical aspect of it.
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23 Oct 2009, 11:43
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The BOFH
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
Perl?!
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24 Oct 2009, 11:48
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 936
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Re: Alliance Tools in PA
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
So whenever you want a function that is usefull for you, which others would find silly or not so usefull, you should have your system?
I'm not against having a basic set of tools ingame.
Without the community, even half of the tools ingame wouldn't exist, because PA team has no clue what people need.
And I honestly believe PA team could use their time to improve the actual gameplay instead of nitpicking on features.
Open up for outside access to the alliance tools and let the people that know whats needed do the work.
Both Munin (and Merlin), and the NewDawn webbie/bots is open source, and im quite sure there is more than that out there.
Theese are all tools that have been worked on and perfected for rounds, and we find it still needs new additions, all the time.
I'm 100% confident the ingame alliance tools will never be as advanced as some of the alliance tools that are selfmade, and they will never be good enough for those that run their own alliance tools.
So as a conclusion, I'm all for having a basic set of tools ingame.
But unless it's something gamechanging, i'd rather that they opened up and let the alliances chip in their contribution.
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A very good point, but it is game changing if people can play more organized due set of tools ingame and you can spend the time of coding to actually run the alliance. Like Puss is working her ass off for our tools, instead she could be running the fleet movement. Ofc some alliances has the techie skilled people out of so called command team.
Also yet again, why do not PA team allow some outsider coders to come help with the alliance tools, whom are experts with them, u dont have to prolly give out all the code and access in the world to allow mastering the existing tools.
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