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1 Feb 2005, 21:12
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Bitch
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German prostitutes
Ok, I realise most of you probably don't read the Torygraph but there was a story the other day that made me stop and think.
I've always been in favour of prostitution being legalised but the current situation in Germany highlights one of the problems. You see (for those of you not wanting to read TFL), prostitution is now legal in Germany and as such the brothels have access to the job centre services the same as any other business. Unemployed people can even have their benefits stopped for refusing to take a job as a prostitute. Now, call me old fashioned but that's just NOT right! Legalising prostitution is one thing, forcing poor women to do it or starve is something else altogether.
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Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
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spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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1 Feb 2005, 21:14
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I am.
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Re: German prostitutes
perhaps we could legalise it without also making unemployment benefit stop if you don't do it.
you see.
problem solved.
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1 Feb 2005, 21:18
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Gone
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Re: German prostitutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yahwe
perhaps we could legalise it without also making unemployment benefit stop if you don't do it.
you see.
problem solved.
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Pragmatism isn't allowed on GD.
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1 Feb 2005, 21:18
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Bitch
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Location: North Yorkshire
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Re: German prostitutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yahwe
perhaps we could legalise it without also making unemployment benefit stop if you don't do it.
you see.
problem solved.
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That would require intelligent forethought on the part of the government, not something I have great confidence in.
I'm not saying I'm now against the idea, merely that I hadn't properly considered all the possible problems.
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ACHTUNG!!!
Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
das blinkenlights!!!
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1 Feb 2005, 21:44
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Dirte
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Re: German prostitutes
I don't really think that legalizing things under the current social standard is the best sollution (On drugs, on prostitution and so on)
More like de-criminalization. Don't prosecute for small time growing off hash or a woman selling sex, but go for the big fish.
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1 Feb 2005, 22:03
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Mr. Blobby
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Re: German prostitutes
There is nothing wrong with legalization, as long as you don't end up with fairly idiotic situations like this. And to be perfectly honest, I think this is an issue which is fairly unique and has been blown out of proportion.
I presume the great monster of bureaucracy has struck, and this woman has received a letter from the welfare office that she refused a job, and as such has broken the rules, without anyone sending the letter actually having any idea that the job she denied required the woman prostituting herself at all, and rather than simply calling the welfare office, she contacted the media who made a big fuss out of it.
You don't seriously think anyone at any sort of official government organisation would sit there at the phone and go: "Yes ma'am, I understand that you may have some objections to having sex with men for money, but if you do not take this job we'll stop giving you money, because it's the law, so whore yourself out already."
Prostitution has been legal in the Netherlands for years, and we've never had any sort of problem like this - the only problem that arose because of legalisation was that prostitutes should now be paying taxes, and I believe they also should offer receipts if requested to do so.
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1 Feb 2005, 22:29
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NEWSBOT
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Re: German prostitutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leshy
offer receipts if requested to do so.
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so you can claim expenses ?
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1 Feb 2005, 23:24
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Mr. Blobby
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Re: German prostitutes
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Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3
so you can claim expenses ?
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If your company was to provide that, yes.
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2 Feb 2005, 00:55
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Registered User
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Re: German prostitutes
i saw that on a few english speaking papers but i never actually heared anything whatsoever about it here. i can't believe there is much on this story or the media would have been all over it, but ill check anyway.
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2 Feb 2005, 00:57
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Has Soup On His Head
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Re: German prostitutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yahwe
perhaps we could legalise it without also making unemployment benefit stop if you don't do it.
you see.
problem solved.
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THATS JUST CRAZY TALK. DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING ON GD!
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2 Feb 2005, 01:49
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the Sacred Pervert
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: German prostitutes
..and that day..
i fell in love with kiel..
the streets,
the food,
and the crisp air
moved my soul,
i drank her beer
brewed in their cellar,
and made love to a beauty
beyond my fair tongue
can exclaim,
for i am weak..
and i am in love..
...and that day..
i fell in love with kiel..
*SNAP* whoa.. what the hell happened?
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2 Feb 2005, 09:16
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Clerk
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Re: German prostitutes
Prostitution doesn't strike me as particularly unique - there should be numerous jobs which you shouldn't be "forced" to do (well, you shouldn't be forced to do any job on pain of losing benefits, but under the current system). Jobs which are dangerous, particularly unpleasant or against certain people's conscience (e.g. being a butcher for a vegetarian) should be exempt.
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2 Feb 2005, 11:04
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Re: German prostitutes
ok, apparently the job offer the unemployment office had was for a job as a bar mixer, not as a prostitute. she would have had to work in a borthel, but not as a prostitute. the owner of that borthel wanted to hire her as a prostitute. she turned down that job and thats fine. there can't be any cuts in the benefits for this, if there are she can sue against it and win the case without much of a problem.
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2 Feb 2005, 11:07
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Lonely analytic
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Re: German prostitutes
I love countries where they make slight errors when passing laws.
It proves they are not a totalitarian state where everything is thought out by the same four people.
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2 Feb 2005, 16:00
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I am an idiot
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Re: German prostitutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yahwe
perhaps we could legalise it without also making unemployment benefit stop if you don't do it.
you see.
problem solved.
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For once, you said exactly the same thing I was going to say. Although I probably would have highlighted with more vigour that German women have hairy armpits whereas you preferred to hint at this subtly.
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2 Feb 2005, 16:02
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I am an idiot
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Re: German prostitutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtrasyn
I love countries where they make slight errors when passing laws.
It proves they are not a totalitarian state where everything is thought out by the same four people.
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Our four fathers?
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2 Feb 2005, 16:03
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Registered User
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Re: German prostitutes
Legalise prostitution and scrap unemployment benefits, problem solved.
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2 Feb 2005, 16:05
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Registered User
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Re: German prostitutes
The problem of prostitution being illegal and unemployment benefits existing.
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2 Feb 2005, 16:12
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Re: German prostitutes
yeah, its amazing how simple the world becomes when you look at it properly.
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2 Feb 2005, 16:46
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Gone
Join Date: Jan 2001
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Re: German prostitutes
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtrasyn
I love countries where they make slight errors when passing laws.
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All of them, then.
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2 Feb 2005, 17:38
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Vermin Supreme
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Pittsburgh
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Re: German prostitutes
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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Prostitution doesn't strike me as particularly unique - there should be numerous jobs which you shouldn't be "forced" to do (well, you shouldn't be forced to do any job on pain of losing benefits, but under the current system). Jobs which are dangerous, particularly unpleasant or against certain people's conscience (e.g. being a butcher for a vegetarian) should be exempt.
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my conscience tells me that i don't like working. fair nuff?
i just hope in your eutopia there are a lot of openings for video game beta testers and restaurant critics, cuz from where i'm standing job openings are not safe, pleasant oppurtunities that make you feel good about yourself. and when they are, they are snapped up by a friend of a friend of someone who works there before you can blink.
i'm as much in favor of unemployment benefits as anyone, but the argument that she has an inalienable right to society's support until such a time as she deigns an offer worthy of her holiness is abject bullshit. she don't want to **** for money, that's a choice she can make.
people are talking as if she is being forced to whore. no. she is an adult, being given multiple options, and she is capable of making her own choices, and accepting responsibility for them.
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2 Feb 2005, 22:06
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Clerk
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Re: German prostitutes
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Originally Posted by acropolis
my conscience tells me that i don't like working. fair nuff?.
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Of course, do what you want.
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2 Feb 2005, 22:50
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Aardvark is a funny word
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Re: German prostitutes
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Originally Posted by acropolis
people are talking as if she is being forced to whore. no. she is an adult, being given multiple options, and she is capable of making her own choices, and accepting responsibility for them.
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quite. she can whore, or she can starve!
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2 Feb 2005, 23:07
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Ajaj Kapten!
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Re: German prostitutes
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Originally Posted by acropolis
people are talking as if she is being forced to whore. no. she is an adult, being given multiple options, and she is capable of making her own choices, and accepting responsibility for them.
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Isn't that a bit like holding a gun to her head?
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2 Feb 2005, 23:08
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Has Soup On His Head
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Re: German prostitutes
I sense a massive increase of MILF's in German Brothels
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2 Feb 2005, 23:11
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Ball
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Re: German prostitutes
The Telegraph is great.
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2 Feb 2005, 23:25
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Registered User
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Re: German prostitutes
as i already tried to point out: the article is wrong. prostitution is legal here (and it has been for more than two years btw.) but the unemployment cant cut your benefit if you dont take such a job, because it would be quite easy to sue against it and win the case.
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