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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 09:21   #851
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Re: R57 gossip thread

But it isn't 60% really
it is as far as I can tell CT, BF, Faceless and Spore (229) vs Ultores (60)
Meanwhile, mostly separately ND (57) vs P3n (54)

Even if ND is notionally on the side of the block they hardly count while they throw most of what they have at P3n

The blocking against Ultores is still pretty shocking but it aint nearly as bad as you make out
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 09:25   #852
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 09:27   #853
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Correct I just copied and pasted that list from Alliance Relations page. As Killeah stated its just shocking to me that it take 60% + of player base to work together on one alliance.

I also stand by what I said before you have no excuse not to beat ULT added to that if you do beat them perhaps you can have some dignity at EORC and admit you won by default.
instead of letting them go on to win the round with only 4 days of incs all round?
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 09:33   #854
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instead of letting them go on to win the round with only 4 days of incs all round?
eh? Where did you get this idea from. Just a look at http://kia.cthq.net/index.php?p=view...es&history=All shows eight days of negative roid growth before this round of incs from the bloc. And since they defended so well against one or two alliance you can be sure they had a lot more days of inc than that.

Unless I am misunderstanding you and you mean BF only had 4 days of incs? which might be true if you exclude p3n incs and are only considering days where they had more than one alliance on them.
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 10:00   #855
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Re: R57 gossip thread

Yeah I can't what MM means. The 4 days of incs must refer to BF because apart from the one block hit they got they havent been negative all round and have been attacking as part of 4 man block teams for the rest of it.
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 10:15   #856
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Maniac I like you, however do not pretend to think that ULT has not had the most inc this round so to suggest ULT has had it easy it ludicrous.

Now BF have fence blocked hugged or whatever term we choose to use the whole round and have received very little incoming. At this current stage faceless is being escorted to a round win they do not deserve but gratz to them.

Reference the 60% issue considering the only active ally that has hasn't been hitting us is p3n and the others being part time allies no offense intended leaves the block with the remaing active percentage.
ND will claim they haven't hit us but they do take advantage of our situation and pile raids on gals were in.

I have been trying to think back when a round has been so one sided before and I am really struggling to think of one.
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Re: R57 gossip thread

Londo took you literally as 60% of the playerbase when you meant 60% of the active playerbase which would be more accurate. Take the top 10 alliances' members and 60% of them is pretty close to the number Londo gave.

This round has not been one sided and that is the amazing thing that Ult has done so well in the face of such overwhelming odds. It should have been totally one sided and ended in ult defeat weeks ago that it has not is tribute to how well Ult have played, defended and attacked as an alliance.
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 11:04   #858
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Re: R57 gossip thread

Overwhelming odds? They had the first half of the round napped and fort napped ... I dont get why you think you can bash on other alliances for having naps when ult had the same. The fact that ult arrogantly goes around threatening other alliances to join or be hit is why they are in the situation that the universe doesnt seem to have an issue hitting them.
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 11:25   #859
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Overwhelming odds? They had the first half of the round napped and fort napped ... I dont get why you think you can bash on other alliances for having naps when ult had the same. The fact that ult arrogantly goes around threatening other alliances to join or be hit is why they are in the situation that the universe doesnt seem to have an issue hitting them.
No we are in this situation cos we are so much better than your sorry asses. The only alliance that was actually threathened in any way this round was BF, and you guys backed off like a scared little girl and let your pals in faceless take incs from us.
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 11:26   #860
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End of round stats will confirm who was hugging one another and who was having to battle.
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Unread 12 Jul 2014, 11:30   #861
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No we are in this situation cos we are so much better than your sorry asses. The only alliance that was actually threathened in any way this round was BF, and you guys backed off like a scared little girl and let your pals in faceless take incs from us.
Well not according to other allies, but maybe they are all lying.
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Well not according to other allies, but maybe they are all lying.
I've seen the logs from when my fellow hc's have talked to other alliances, doesn't look like any threathening of any kind there. People do however love to come up with excuses to hit us though!
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I've seen the logs from when my fellow hc's have talked to other alliances, doesn't look like any threathening of any kind there. People do however love to come up with excuses to hit us though!
So basically the whole uni has no reason to hit you other than you are that good? Arrogance couldnt be a factor at all im sure, people usually love arrogance.
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Re: R57 gossip thread

Clearly Ult have been the #1 alliance this round. It's a huge compliment that so many alliances feel the need to block and teamup to fight them.

If Ult win, which I think they will unless BF change tactics, then they fully deserve it and deserve huge congratulations which they'll get duly from all of Faceless.

Good luck all - it's going to be an interesting end of the round. My money's on Ultores through XP roiding.
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So basically the whole uni has no reason to hit you other than you are that good? Arrogance couldnt be a factor at all im sure, people usually love arrogance.
People hate/dislike/get jealous/whatever of the ones who are better than themselves. How is stating the obvious being arrogant?
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Ultores are clearly the best alliance in pa atm.

To deny that you would have to be delusional.
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People hate/dislike/get jealous/whatever of the ones who are better than themselves. How is stating the obvious being arrogant?
Ultores hasnt won anything in 10 rounds or so? Soon 2 years?
So that cant be the reason.
How ever you mentioned earlier that you troll roided a top planet in some alliance not even remotely close to threatening Ult rankwise atm, i guess that could be a reason for someone to hit you
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Ultores hasnt won anything in 10 rounds or so? Soon 2 years?
So that cant be the reason.
How ever you mentioned earlier that you troll roided a top planet in some alliance not even remotely close to threatening Ult rankwise atm, i guess that could be a reason for someone to hit you
A planet in an alliance who were already hitting us, so what's your point?
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Yet when Spore dominated Ult last round, it was cause Ult sucked and aren't good enough.
Yet when Ult are winning it is because they are the best alliance in pa?

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Yet when Spore dominated Ult last round, it was cause Ult sucked and aren't good enough.
Yet when Ult are winning it is because they are the best alliance in pa?

Funny.
We both know last rounds Ult and this rounds version is very very different, just like how spore is a sorry excuse of their last round's self.
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We both know last rounds Ult and this rounds version is very very different, just like how spore is a sorry excuse of their last round's self.
the addition of cousins and two attack support tags is an upgrade.
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the addition of cousins and two attack support tags is an upgrade.
At least we don't need 3 other full tags to do our bidding, like your alliance seems to have been needing all round long
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A planet in an alliance who were already hitting us, so what's your point?
Its like pouring gasoline on a fire, attacking Ultores WHEN they were fat pays off for smaller tags.
Troll attacking smaller tags as a "pay back" rarely pays off.
Looks like Ultores without xVx/Apprime/DFWKT support aint much
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Its like pouring gasoline on a fire, attacking Ultores WHEN they were fat pays off for smaller tags.
Troll attacking smaller tags as a "pay back" rarely pays off.
Looks like Ultores without xVx/Apprime/DFWKT support aint much
Troll attacking? Just cos you don't agree with something, doesn't make it the wrong decision. There's probably a reason why you and the alliances you've been in hardly ever won anything..
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Re: R57 gossip thread

Ult have been by far the strongest alliance this round.

The end of round stats will show just how much more incs Ult has gotten than everyone else.

AD contains some of the dumbest people with access to the internet

Think we can all agree on these three things.

That is all.
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Troll attacking? Just cos you don't agree with something, doesn't make it the wrong decision. There's probably a reason why you and the alliances you've been in hardly ever won anything..
Sure we beat Ultores last time we played
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Ult have been by far the strongest alliance this round.

The end of round stats will show just how much more incs Ult has gotten than everyone else.

AD contains some of the dumbest people with access to the internet

Think we can all agree on these three things.

That is all.
Now they have sure. I dont thnk it was like that until this block started, but i could be wrong.
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We both know last rounds Ult and this rounds version is very very different, just like how spore is a sorry excuse of their last round's self.
you may know it, i just have this forum to base my opinion on
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Now they have sure. I dont thnk it was like that until this block started, but i could be wrong.
Will also be interesting to see how much less incoming on the final stats you guys have had all round
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Ultores are clearly the best alliance in pa atm.

To deny that you would have to be delusional.
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No-one has stated to the contrary, so what's your point?
The winning alliance, the top ranked alliance at tick stop is the best alliance at said round. Stating otherwise would be delusional.
Unless PA team would start having rounds that last untill all the opposition give up, this will be what counts
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The winning alliance, the top ranked alliance at tick stop is the best alliance at said round. Stating otherwise would be delusional.
Unless PA team would start having rounds that last untill all the opposition give up, this will be what counts
We both know that's not true. Just because an alliance is ranked 1st at the end of the round might declare them as the round winner, but, doesn't mean they were technically the winners overall in the community's eyes. Many rounds I have witnessed allies be 1st due to either adding members into tag last few days, screwing over allies they have had relationships with all round or for just managing to avoid major incoming all round (some could argue that was good politics.. others might argue it just shows weakness that after a few nights of incoming they come beginning for a ceasefire instead of fighting it out) looks like this round wont be any different.

Although a film, Rocky lost the fight to Apollo Creed in Rocky.. but was still seen as the true victor.
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We both know that's not true. Just because an alliance is ranked 1st at the end of the round might declare them as the round winner, but, doesn't mean they were technically the winners overall in the community's eyes. Many rounds I have witnessed allies be 1st due to either adding members into tag last few days, screwing over allies they have had relationships with all round or for just managing to avoid major incoming all round (some could argue that was good politics.. others might argue it just shows weakness that after a few nights of incoming they come beginning for a ceasefire instead of fighting it out) looks like this round wont be any different.

Although a film, Rocky lost the fight to Apollo Creed in Rocky.. but was still seen as the true victor.
There will always be more than one opinion who is the "true" winner, but as long there is a set tick stop to each round, the best alliance that round will be the alliance one wich ends #1
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Really? The best at attacking? The best at defending? The best at motivating members? The best at politics?

The ONLY thing that can be said that the winner of a round is, is that they're the winner of the round. Everything else is judged by context and performance throughout the round.
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There must be at least 10 or so ult members left who haven't fired up their forums account to remind us that they're the best alliance and that if you don't play the game in a way that results in them finishing first, that you're doing something wrong. Maybe if you get the last 10 to dribble some more of the same post in this thread you'll start convincing someone other than Assassin.
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Maniac I like you, however do not pretend to think that ULT has not had the most inc this round so to suggest ULT has had it easy it ludicrous.

Now BF have fence blocked hugged or whatever term we choose to use the whole round and have received very little incoming. At this current stage faceless is being escorted to a round win they do not deserve but gratz to them.

Reference the 60% issue considering the only active ally that has hasn't been hitting us is p3n and the others being part time allies no offense intended leaves the block with the remaing active percentage.
ND will claim they haven't hit us but they do take advantage of our situation and pile raids on gals were in.

I have been trying to think back when a round has been so one sided before and I am really struggling to think of one.

Does everyone have short term memories? Ultores were part of a block to kill Spore the previous two rounds. Spore received very high incoming just like Ultores is now during these block incomings.

I don't understand the 'shock' and why people think it's special for Ultores. It isn't.
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There must be at least 10 or so ult members left who haven't fired up their forums account to remind us that they're the best alliance and that if you don't play the game in a way that results in them finishing first, that you're doing something wrong. Maybe if you get the last 10 to dribble some more of the same post in this thread you'll start convincing someone other than Assassin.
Doesn't need Ult members to post on this forum to realise they are a good alliance, and although I cant stand some of the people in it, I cant deny they are good at what they do. The fact they were hit by a block at the beginning of the round and knocked down to the ranks of 3rd/4th, to then come back to 1st with quite a lead, and be hit again by 4/5 alliances.

When the round ends the true stats will show what a beating ult took, and the fact they managed to bounce back from the first block hit in the early stage of the round to be ganged up on again shows to me how good they are. And believe me, I once stated I couldn't stand ult. But I respect them more for playing a war game as a war game, and unlike others who have had hardly any incoming and made so many avoidance agreements/naps after getting the slightest incoming its quite laughable. So from a p3ng HC I want to say well played to ult to be fair.

When the round ends, we shall see if the alliance ranked 1st truly deserved it (ie comparing incoming stats etc)
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Does everyone have short term memories? Ultores were part of a block to kill Spore the previous two rounds. Spore received very high incoming just like Ultores is now during these block incomings.

I don't understand the 'shock' and why people think it's special for Ultores. It isn't.
Seeing how you had a 50 million value lead on your closest competitor at the time you got blocked against, while we were even with both FL and BF, it's not even close to being the same scenario..
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We both know last rounds Ult and this rounds version is very very different, just like how spore is a sorry excuse of their last round's self.
His point stands though. Ultores can't claim to be the best alliance in Planetarion when it has not won a round for such a long time. It took getting the main actives from Apprime AND support of another tag to hit where you like for Ultores to contend this round.

I'm not trying to attack Ultores here, just to point out these facts.

Spore is nothing like last round I agree. As stated before, Spore was never going for the win this round or to take it too seriously. We knew the majority of command were quitting prior to last round ending. We lost 90% of our command and over a third of our members when heading into this round. I'm proud still of Spore's relevance and achievements this round so far.
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There must be at least 10 or so ult members left who haven't fired up their forums account to remind us that they're the best alliance and that if you don't play the game in a way that results in them finishing first, that you're doing something wrong. Maybe if you get the last 10 to dribble some more of the same post in this thread you'll start convincing someone other than Assassin.
You know Oil, ult is not a good ally, no ally in PA is good, they're all compiled of people who don't put in the time/activity to be good.

We sleep at night, we wake up, we send a fleet here and there, we crash we fail launch, we screw up. We do random stuff, we don't plan ahead we war the entire universe.

The entire point with previous statements is the fact that even though we manage to be shit, we're somehow ranked #1.

So let me ask you, can I with the above convince you into believing that instead of staying below a shit alliance, perhaps should elevate your amount of shitness into something better?
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Seeing how you had a 50 million value lead on your closest competitor at the time you got blocked against, while we were even with both FL and BF, it's not even close to being the same scenario..
Previous round too eksero. Plus that's because Spore spent time dissolving blocks before they could form properly through political means in order to achieve that.
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Previous round too eksero. Plus that's because Spore spent time dissolving blocks before they could form properly through political means in order to achieve that.
I was in spore the round before last, and the incs we had then were average at best...
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His point stands though. Ultores can't claim to be the best alliance in Planetarion when it has not won a round for such a long time. It took getting the main actives from Apprime AND support of another tag to hit where you like for Ultores to contend this round.

I'm not trying to attack Ultores here, just to point out these facts.

Spore is nothing like last round I agree. As stated before, Spore was never going for the win this round or to take it too seriously. We knew the majority of command were quitting prior to last round ending. We lost 90% of our command and over a third of our members when heading into this round. I'm proud still of Spore's relevance and achievements this round so far.
Seeing as no one, with the exception of p3nguins, actually dared to take us on on their own, i'd say it's pretty obvious no one else even comes close. Sure we had support this round too, from Heroes, which is a half full tag. Everyone else seems to be banding into groups of 3-4 whenever they hit someone.

You guys even ganged up on p3nguins, an alliance who were ranked 5th at the time...
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I'm not talking throughout the round, Im talking during block incoming it has been comparable. Ult tend to get more random incoming than Spore does due to our different political policies.

My point was that giant blocks have formed that involved Ultores ON Spore where we received similar incoming to you right now.
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I'm not talking throughout the round, Im talking during block incoming it has been comparable. Ult tend to get more random incoming than Spore does due to our different political policies.

My point was that giant blocks have formed that involved Ultores ON Spore where we received similar incoming to you right now.
I'm sorry, but with the exception of last round when you had a massive value lead, it really isn't. I was in your alliance the round before, I saw the incs we were getting, and how people claimed it was massive amounts of incs, when in reality it was few or no nights that even passed the 150 mark..
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Seeing as no one, with the exception of p3nguins, actually dared to take us on on their own, i'd say it's pretty obvious no one else even comes close. Sure we had support this round too, from Heroes, which is a half full tag. Everyone else seems to be banding into groups of 3-4 whenever they hit someone.

You guys even ganged up on p3nguins, an alliance who were ranked 5th at the time...
Your point being? Ultores would be the main threat for any alliance this round looking to get #1. You have by far one of the most active cores. It'd be like us creating a joint Ult-Spore tag for next round and saying we're the best alliance ever! "Best alliance" is rarely for just one round an is very subjective.

You had support this round at various stages and don't try and spin it that Ultores has wanted to fight everyone without any support whatsoever. I had Ult ask me for Spore to hit BlackFlag and/or Faceless. I'd say one of the reasons you aren't in league with many is because hardly anyone wants too help you more than it's Ultores choice.

As for p3nguins, not my fault others wanted to hit them. They were ranked higher than Spore and had more value and members. I'll also point out what relevance that has? I've not claimed that Spore has fought anyone one on one THIS round.
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You had support this round at various stages and don't try and spin it that Ultores has wanted to fight everyone without any support whatsoever. I had Ult ask me for Spore to hit BlackFlag and/or Faceless. I'd say one of the reasons you aren't in league with many is because hardly anyone wants too help you more than it's Ultores choice.
I fail to see how Ult trying and failing to get support changes the actual situation. They are still fighting pretty much without support, and with the exception of the brief bashing of BF have been doing so almost the entire round. Your statement simply shows they are not stupid and realise that politics can beat them which indeed it has (or soon will have).
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