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Unread 25 Nov 2012, 08:55   #1
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R50 Stats

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Unread 25 Nov 2012, 10:16   #2
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Re: R50 Stats

dislikes:
- they look fairly traditional and uninspired.
- the bomber is a redundant ship, as it shoots later than all its counterparts, which also goes for the spectre, but the spectre is part of a possible attacking fleet.
- zik has 2 in-eta kill ships. I would prefer 1 in and 1 out eta, where the out-eta has a slightly higher efficiency.
- etd doesnt seem to have a steal ship (looking at init), (looking at cost ratio's fireblade seem to be a stealser tho)
- cath costs ratios seem to be a bit out of whack
- With the newest salvage rules it is highly annoying to steal classes you cannot build, and therefor should be limited for zik and impossible for etd imho.
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Re: R50 Stats

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dislikes:
- they look fairly traditional and uninspired.
- the bomber is a redundant ship, as it shoots later than all its counterparts, which also goes for the spectre, but the spectre is part of a possible attacking fleet.
- zik has 2 in-eta kill ships. I would prefer 1 in and 1 out eta, where the out-eta has a slightly higher efficiency.
- etd doesnt seem to have a steal ship (looking at init), (looking at cost ratio's fireblade seem to be a stealser tho)
- cath costs ratios seem to be a bit out of whack
- With the newest salvage rules it is highly annoying to steal classes you cannot build, and therefor should be limited for zik and impossible for etd imho.

where are the likes you abnoxious bastard
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Re: R50 Stats

Missing ship types. Not impossible to deduce, but highly annoying.

Scarab, Thief and 'Vaashrak' (lrn2spell) are 0 loss. This round should have taught us otherwise.

Fr and Dr have 4 classes firing on it. All other classes only 3.

All 3 Co class anti-De ships shoot before Ter De.

All non-steal anti-Bs fires before Ter Bs.

Cat Co is useless with 2 0 loss ships against it.

Cat Cr looks ok.

Ignoring the Vaashrak, only the Ghost fires at Xan Fi before it fires. Pretty strong.

Xan De is strong.

Zik Cr needs one of its ships to be normal. Stealing De is pretty bad for a Zik.

Clipper steals Etd Fr 0 loss. Etd Fr also does not fire at Roach.

Etd Bs looks strong. Bomber/Pirate are the only viable defense ships, and nothing hugs Etd Bs before it hugs Cr. Init 4 on its non-hug Bs is also pretty ridiculous.

I generally dislike having 3 ships in a roiding fleet because it spreads you out too much. If you need to split your resources 3 ways, then all your resources must go in that one roiding fleet, which in turn makes having a secondary roiding fleet impossible. Making matters worse, all triple ship roiding fleets are Fr/De, all of which must actually cover 4 classes. With these stats, I would never go Fr/De. Cat Co is awful, leaving Xan Fi as the only decent fleet in the bottom 4 classes. Ter/Etd Bs or Cat/Zik Cr are the only decent ally fleet strategies.

Counting T2 half, 4.5 ships fire at Fi, 6 at Co, 7.5 at Fr, 8 at De, 6.5 at Cr and 6 at Bs. Heavy targetting on Fr/De (which continues to suck). Almost none at Xan Fi.Co/Cr/Bs look ok.
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Re: R50 Stats

Im pretty sure apocco already stated that r50 will be a proper mt round?


Etd way too good, especially since Fireblade is way to good

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Re: R50 Stats

Thought it was mt with three pods? Or at least mt...
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Re: R50 Stats

Changes: Are highlighted in Blue
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...5d1VSUVE#gid=0

Viper T2 Fr

Vaash T1-> Cr

Fireblade -> Steal


Pirate-> init 7 Kill
Mara-> init 19 steal

Drake to init 5
Syren to init 6


As for the targeting I wanted to make it so no class fires on itself. And For the most part i made it so that 1 other class doesnt fire onto it. example De, Is shot by co/fr/cr/bs It has 6 classes that normally fire upon on. But i removed one and themselves.


As for the stats, If People want MT they arent hard to change these into MT. But since the recent consensus was that people liked ST/MT I made these.
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Re: R50 Stats

pretty sure etd would be raped by xan fi here...
Thats just by the first look and without knowing any ship type
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Re: R50 Stats

hehe lol yeah etd could need some anti fi :P
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