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1 Nov 2002, 14:05

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Originally posted by BlueSoldier
heh pld m8 we dont care if your gal is or aint fury. Your galaxy was juicy we roided it too be honest we dont care if there was fury that would have just been a added bonus :P

OMG Solly posted on the boards

xtothez · 1 Nov 2002, 14:08

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Originally posted by Al_zz
Ely probably labels people hostile who attack their members...

Yes.

I'll post this here, then I'm done.

[13:09] <XtoTheZ> they were found by one of our tools
[13:09] <XtoTheZ> a BG finder
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> it looks for planets that regularly attack together
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> 4 of the planets in 55:10 have been repeatedly spotted hitting ely, sometimes with known fury as wingmates
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> the tool adds them as 'possible fury'
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> automatically

Al_zz · 1 Nov 2002, 14:30

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Originally posted by xtothez

Yes.

I'll post this here, then I'm done.

[13:09] <XtoTheZ> they were found by one of our tools
[13:09] <XtoTheZ> a BG finder
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> it looks for planets that regularly attack together
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> 4 of the planets in 55:10 have been repeatedly spotted hitting ely, sometimes with known fury as wingmates
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> the tool adds them as 'possible fury'
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> automatically

Guess that means you label Fury as hostile (no real surpise) but it seems a better option to hit the 'known fury' planet then as they are much better option to target as the 'possible fury' planets.

The 'possible fury' planets are more likely to contains people from different alliances who just attack with fury BG's but when you atack them tehy will now label your planets as hostile as well to their alliance. If you only attack the known Fury targets only Fury will label you as hostile which is obviously from your post already the case anyways.

Don't tell me you have run out of known Fury targets already ? I nthat case you could lend a nice list from Titans probably.

hAl

xtothez · 1 Nov 2002, 14:33

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Originally posted by Al_zz
Don't tell me you have run out of known Fury targets already ? I nthat case you could lend a nice list from Titans probably.

We aren't specifically targeting Fury. Just hostile planets.

What better target than a gal with 4 known hostiles, several of them who have been seen attacking with the same organisation? 4 birds, 1 stone, etc, etc...

rnd|One · 1 Nov 2002, 14:36

So many posters making jesters of themselves. Oh, AD, what a children's playground we have here.

Luckeh!!!! · 1 Nov 2002, 16:17

X2theZ = teh win \o/

Torz · 1 Nov 2002, 16:19

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Originally posted by xtothez

Yes.

I'll post this here, then I'm done.

[13:09] <XtoTheZ> they were found by one of our tools
[13:09] <XtoTheZ> a BG finder
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> it looks for planets that regularly attack together
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> 4 of the planets in 55:10 have been repeatedly spotted hitting ely, sometimes with known fury as wingmates
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> the tool adds them as 'possible fury'
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> automatically

is this tool legal? if so how does it work?

Luckeh!!!! · 1 Nov 2002, 16:24

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Originally posted by Torz

is this tool legal? if so how does it work?

why would it be illegal...?

it just involves parsing your gal status/overview

Torz · 1 Nov 2002, 16:26

ah ha, I misunderstood what he said. My apologies

1 Nov 2002, 16:31

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Originally posted by Storebo

Elysium don't sound like it used to be =/

U mean to tell me you actually believe AD propaganda?? ROFL.

Thought you had more sense than that Storebo

1 Nov 2002, 16:34

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov

We dont have a single member who is "fury-oriented" or something like it. If Elysium cant attack their enemies, they have showed what useless alliance they are.

Let's see, they attacked you, got roids (only "from inactive members" ofc), didn't lose many ships.

Hmm, have I missed the point of this game for al those rounds? I thought that was more or less the intention of the game.

The_Fish · 1 Nov 2002, 17:17

The thing is, I was not told they were being hit because they were hostile to ely or WP.

I was told by WP and Ely that they were fury, i told them otherwise, they then attacked my gal because of them being fury. whether the HC saying this meant it or not is different, and also maybe they changed their story.

<censored> 3 different sources confirmed there are at least 2 fury in there
<censored> possible 3-4

however, they are not fury, and not intentionally been hostile, but now are very hostile to my 'allies'.

and as for them getting roids, I dont know exactly what they got, pbot shows we lost about 80 roids, but i believe a couple of members were roiding yesterday aswell. they have never shown themselves on irc, if they were under attack on their own i wouldnt def them. they got their arse kicked tbh. but that doesnt matter.

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Storebo · 1 Nov 2002, 17:29

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Originally posted by xtothez

No, instead we see Fury Execs pinning the blame of Girlee's losses on FAnG instead. Not in public of course...

Actually... in a thread on fury boards.. they said it was fury defenders who recalled to soon...

Storebo · 1 Nov 2002, 17:32

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Originally posted by Silva baby
Storebo troll somewhere else i mean Elysium can sound whatever it wants.
For instance i would love to hit you too and get your gal of my arbitar list!

Nah... I would consider it dishonourable attacking allies gals without telling them about it first... or discuss the matter.
Elysium/WP alliance seems to be more of a do whatever u like thingy.

Storebo · 1 Nov 2002, 17:33

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Originally posted by Ferox

Exactly! And the regular allies' backstabbing was actually for for their own sake!

Who did Fury backstabb?

G.K Zhukov · 1 Nov 2002, 17:36

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Originally posted by xtothez

Yes.

I'll post this here, then I'm done.

[13:09] <XtoTheZ> they were found by one of our tools
[13:09] <XtoTheZ> a BG finder
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> it looks for planets that regularly attack together
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> 4 of the planets in 55:10 have been repeatedly spotted hitting ely, sometimes with known fury as wingmates
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> the tool adds them as 'possible fury'
[13:10] <XtoTheZ> automatically

Human Beeings got a brain for using it. Try it once.. instead of using a bot who cant sort a from b.

Storebo · 1 Nov 2002, 17:40

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Originally posted by Ody!

U mean to tell me you actually believe AD propaganda?? ROFL.

Thought you had more sense than that Storebo

Now tell me... would Elysium attack allied gals before informing allies in there first? I'm sure there are lots of hostile gals with no friendlies in it. This was pure greed. U should destroy the fully hostile gals first. Saw some Elys in this thread laughting at the wp officer telling him his gal was just juicy and they where greedy... oh well..

G.K Zhukov · 1 Nov 2002, 17:42

Did I forgot to mention Elysium is also nicking members from their allies, NewDawn?

rnd|One · 1 Nov 2002, 18:06

Let's see so far:

1 attempt at humouring AD
More attemps to grind humour from the original post.
Several replies to let the original poster know how wrong he is.

And how does it all continue?

The original poster makes more silly accusations.

xtothez · 1 Nov 2002, 18:11

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Originally posted by Storebo

Actually... in a thread on fury boards.. they said it was fury defenders who recalled to soon...

Liar.

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Originally posted by Focht

Today fury fought @ girlees planet against some huge incomings.
Many of us sended there and many of us died there.

There are a full lot of explinations. First maybe the rational ones, we were short on ships covered it as good as we could and made it costy for them to land.
.....
But things changed in tick 2 when the non fury defenders got cold feet and left us to die, about 150 - 200k of their ships left without a notice the battlefield and some of their reinforcments pulled. because they saw no strategical advantage in defending and bringing losses to the enemy.
As a cause of this foolish and unloyal behaviour, there were no options for our own fleets left. Calcs said total ownage in tick 2 & 3 when all overburn defence was gone anyway, losses were predicted to be around 40 mio score for us.

The_Fish · 1 Nov 2002, 18:15

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Originally posted by rnd|One
Let's see so far:

1 attempt at humouring AD
More attemps to grind humour from the original post.
Several replies to let the original poster know how wrong he is.

And how does it all continue?

The original poster makes more silly accusations.

1 slight problem, he isnt wrong.

Luckeh!!!! · 1 Nov 2002, 18:41

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Originally posted by The_Fish

1 slight problem, he isnt wrong.

Fury, Fury affiliated, hostile, non-elysium/allied

all those fall under one roof.

roid valid targets

Saitam · 1 Nov 2002, 18:52

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Originally posted by Storebo

Who did Fury backstabb?

Legion?

The_Fish · 1 Nov 2002, 18:53

<gal-mate> i know why my gal was hit
<gal-mate> and you're wrong
<ely> no you are wrong
<ely> cause ive jsut checked arbiter
<ely> and theres nothing about fury on there
<gal-mate> let me start from the beginning then
<ely> so where the crap about 4 fury allied planets came from is down too you lot
<ely> but it hasnt come from us

the tick after launch I was told that we were being hit because we had fury in gal, like i posted earlier, and a bit of log shows this.

IF ely let me know my gal had been hostile and they planned to hit them then i wouldnt have liked it, but accepted it.

however, they insisted it was fury, and an ely bc said - <+Whis> go join fury u scum. make your mind up then ffs. I wasnt warned about incs and HC didnt let me tell them that they werent fury, and that WAS the reason we were attacked, unless HC lied to me, which is hardly any better.

rnd|One · 1 Nov 2002, 19:27

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Originally posted by The_Fish
however, they insisted it was fury, and an ely bc said - <+Whis> go join fury u scum. make your mind up then ffs. I wasnt warned about incs and HC didnt let me tell them that they werent fury, and that WAS the reason we were attacked, unless HC lied to me, which is hardly any better.

Read above post of a 'BG Finder' tool Elysium uses. There's more feeling into placing random hostiles as 'Suspected Fury' rather than a dull 'Hostile' flag.

G.K Zhukov · 1 Nov 2002, 19:35

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Originally posted by Storebo

Who did Fury backstabb?

r3, Legion. (also to some extent RB).
r5, Tuba and Wolfpack
r7, Virus among others.

The_Fish · 1 Nov 2002, 19:37

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Originally posted by rnd|One

Read above post of a 'BG Finder' tool Elysium uses. There's more feeling into placing random hostiles as 'Suspected Fury' rather than a dull 'Hostile' flag.

yes, they piggied an attack with fury. ok?

BlueSoldier · 1 Nov 2002, 20:53

This round most alliances dont have the xx:xx arbiters due too it being random as i seem to gather The_Fish was the only Ely ally in the galaxy he WASNT attacked the rest of the gal was. This round is played by xx:xx:xx arbiters so if The_Fish wasnt attacked i see no point in this post. Just cause you have a allie in it dont mean your whole gal is protected. You wasnt attacked the_fish so dont start complaining if you want too complain blame spinner for making it random

BlueSoldier · 1 Nov 2002, 20:55

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
Did I forgot to mention Elysium is also nicking members from their allies, NewDawn?

thats funny i dont remember NewDawn being our allies get a clue

HobbieRogue4 · 1 Nov 2002, 21:43

It's not an Elysium or Wolfpack galaxy, thus, it's a target just like anyone else.

Regardless of whether it's really Fury or not.

Luckeh!!!! · 1 Nov 2002, 23:06

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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
It's not an Elysium or Wolfpack galaxy, thus, it's a target just like anyone else.

Regardless of whether it's really Fury or not.

I've pretty much implied all this many times, no one is listening to me hobbeh

The_Fish · 1 Nov 2002, 23:18

The original point of the thread was my gal mate laughing at ely being stupid, it turned into an argument about my gal being hit. the point is - my allies hit my gal, and they need HC authorisation for that, and they did get it, apparently. I am also to be informed, part of the rules, I wasnt. the WP server is ****ed, I got killed off the ely server, I got called scum etc, Ely took me off their arbiter, It's hardly rocket science that i'm complaining is it?

as for my gal being a legit target, they say that now, not when I 1st saw it was Ely incs, then it was 'you have evul furbeh' etc.

And WP (and so I assume, Ely) have xx:xx arbiters.

can we let this rest now? we wont agree, my gal and mates share a similar point of view to me, and ely seem to agree as a whole too.

any mods, feel free to close/delete this, i dont think theres anything left to be said.

grkn · 1 Nov 2002, 23:33

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Originally posted by Storebo
Elysium don't sound like it used to be =/

Actually, the original Elysium started to fade away somewhere during round 5, community wise.

xtothez · 1 Nov 2002, 23:49

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Originally posted by The_Fish
The original point of the thread was my gal mate laughing at ely being stupid

I'll let you figure out whats wrong here.

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Originally posted by The_Fish
Ely took me off their arbiter

Your're still there, I checked 2 mins ago.

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Originally posted by The_Fish
And WP (and so I assume, Ely) have xx:xx arbiters.

Members have access to xx:yy arbiter. Command can see xx:yy:zz of course.

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Originally posted by The_Fish
can we let this rest now? we wont agree, my gal and mates share a similar point of view to me, and ely seem to agree as a whole too.

any mods, feel free to close/delete this, i dont think theres anything left to be said.

Can't agree more...

Saitam · 2 Nov 2002, 00:29

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Originally posted by grkn

Actually, the original Elysium started to fade away somewhere during round 5, community wise.

Wasn't that even in rnd4?

Neo · 2 Nov 2002, 00:35

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Originally posted by grkn

Actually, the original Elysium started to fade away somewhere during round 5, community wise.

I know what you mean... I'm back now tho

grkn · 2 Nov 2002, 00:55

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Originally posted by Neo
I know what you mean... I'm back now tho

I did just quit, took me far too long to take that step. Shouldn't have done this account sharing, then i'd probably would have quit even earlier, for a glorified shoping cart script PA simply does take too much time.

Especially after/during round 5 when those late night attacks became fashionable.

Nowadays i'll just drop by in #elysium every now and then to fool arround a bit.

G.K Zhukov · 2 Nov 2002, 01:09

The amount of Elysium retards who popped out of the wood, is overwealming.

Saitam · 2 Nov 2002, 01:11

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Originally posted by Rumad
This thread gt too two pages!

Who would hae figured....

Probably not you, but may I ask why you even bothered to post that, as it has nothing to do with anything posted in this thread?

Dont go around trying to be hollier than others, and yet be the same bad poster on that you claim everyone else is.

Saitam · 2 Nov 2002, 01:50

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Originally posted by Rumad

Thats the point

I remember WHAT THE THREAS WAS POSTED FOR

and am suprised how longit has lasted for. As for your quote I havent read the thread, I know what the thread starter was trying t prov...

Do you?

Yes, but atleast I bothered reading the crap

.

TheBull · 2 Nov 2002, 08:11

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Originally posted by Storebo

Now tell me... would Elysium attack allied gals before informing allies in there first? I'm sure there are lots of hostile gals with no friendlies in it. This was pure greed. U should destroy the fully hostile gals first. Saw some Elys in this thread laughting at the wp officer telling him his gal was just juicy and they where greedy... oh well..

sure seems like somone thinks he knows how to run an alliance... Why do you try to tell another alliance how to work when yours has already failed?

The Attack... Right or wrong... I'm not sure. But i think both sides can be a bit happy with the results. no need to get pissed about it for sure!
TheBull

Silva baby · 2 Nov 2002, 10:53

i wish someone would listen to Lucky

genosse27 · 2 Nov 2002, 13:54

die with pain G.K Zhukov, but before read your signature again. I think u dont deserve anything else...

QazokRouge5 · 2 Nov 2002, 15:21

lol, thats nothing new ofc, i didnt know ely was still able to pulll off a decent attack these days...

Silva baby · 3 Nov 2002, 08:54

close this thread plz

hAl · 3 Nov 2002, 09:39

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Originally posted by QazokRouge5
lol, thats nothing new ofc, i didnt know ely was still able to pulll off a decent attack these days...

They might

hAl

Zh|l · 3 Nov 2002, 09:50

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov

r3, Legion. (also to some extent RB).

Wrong on both accounts. We could argue all day over who backstabbed who - end of the day, we can just agree to disagree or I could just say noone backstabbed here and it was just politics.

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov

r5, Tuba and Wolfpack

Considering Tuba disbanded way before any real issues in r5 this is wrong. But I will presume you do mean Ni! and WPO. End of the day, Fury had its war, they had theres. There are many factors and reasoning as to why things happened the way they did. Luckily for me I consider myself to be one who does know. (Especially since I was Exec). If anything I perceive this as possibly the closest thing to a backstab you can attribute to Fury - but then I dont call this a backstab either.

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov

r7, Virus among others.

Fury didnt backstab during this round. If anything, it fought for survival and the entire Consortium affair was more of a backstab than anything Fury did. People involved in that got their 'just desserts' to my reckoning. But of course - you want to blame Fury since Consortium didnt happen as people wanted it to. So sorry.

G.K Zhukov · 3 Nov 2002, 11:36

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Originally posted by Zh|l

Wrong on both accounts. We could argue all day over who backstabbed who - end of the day, we can just agree to disagree or I could just say noone backstabbed here and it was just politics.

Considering Tuba disbanded way before any real issues in r5 this is wrong. But I will presume you do mean Ni! and WPO. End of the day, Fury had its war, they had theres. There are many factors and reasoning as to why things happened the way they did. Luckily for me I consider myself to be one who does know. (Especially since I was Exec). If anything I perceive this as possibly the closest thing to a backstab you can attribute to Fury - but then I dont call this a backstab either.

Fury didnt backstab during this round. If anything, it fought for survival and the entire Consortium affair was more of a backstab than anything Fury did. People involved in that got their 'just desserts' to my reckoning. But of course - you want to blame Fury since Consortium didnt happen as people wanted it to. So sorry.

r3, Fury did backstab with the help of WP.
r5, Fury did backstab WPO/Ni! (or WP/tuba/whatever you want to call it. Legion backstabbed Elysium. Backstabing is backstabbing, even though there might be "reasons" (most like roids) behind it.
r7, you got a point.

Zhil, Im not in the mood to argue about the past. Since I cant see you ever will admit fury did something "wrong", this cant be a fruitful disucssion. Even though I wasnt a Lego member in r5, I felt disgraced, the way it ended. The "Homecoming" of wp into Legion, mass recruitment of "everyone famous" and betrayel of Ely, left legion without its honour.

And please, backstabbing isnt that serious here, its just a damn database game Zhil.

Zh|l · 3 Nov 2002, 13:17

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov

r3, Fury did backstab with the help of WP.
r5, Fury did backstab WPO/Ni! (or WP/tuba/whatever you want to call it. Legion backstabbed Elysium. Backstabing is backstabbing, even though there might be "reasons" (most like roids) behind it.
r7, you got a point.

Zhil, Im not in the mood to argue about the past. Since I cant see you ever will admit fury did something "wrong", this cant be a fruitful disucssion. Even though I wasnt a Lego member in r5, I felt disgraced, the way it ended. The "Homecoming" of wp into Legion, mass recruitment of "everyone famous" and betrayel of Ely, left legion without its honour.

And please, backstabbing isnt that serious here, its just a damn database game Zhil.

Just so we are sure on definition here - ending relations with an alliance is considered backstabbing unless done at the end of the round? Or you are only allowed to drop NAP's, but never cease any alliances with another alliance?

You seem to be associating this to backstabbing, which Im sorry but its not. As for Fury and me, I will defend what I believe is correct - and your justification for a backstab here is incorrect. Moralistically I would say the r5 politics was probably wrong - from a game point of view, and from someone such as myself - it was just politics.

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Originally posted by Rumad

Suprising comment since we supported you for the round, so i guess we got out "just desserts".

Heh.

Btw you can say you never backstabbed us, but we were ok till Fury gals started to hit FAnG gals on a regular basis, but no doubt thats not roids either, just politics.

Sorry for my cynicism, but it did amuse me

Firstly, I was unclear but that comment wasnt directed to FAnG. However you do raise an interesting question as to whether FAnG's relations to the rest of the FLTTV block were respective to FAnG itself so perhaps my comment would have some 'merit' in that case (I dont want to comment further or to goad you into anything here, thus I will leave this as a rhetorical question, perhaps one we can discuss at one point in private :P). But as it stands, the comment would be too harsh to apply for FAnG and I wasnt even thinking of FAnG when I said it.

For your info I dealt with every breach reported to me regarding FAnG/Fury and enforced the 'peace time'. If my memory serves me correctly we only targetted FAnG present in Titan galaxies (since we had no relations with you, we couldnt rely on your members not defending vs us). A typical response for you would be that joint Legion/Fury galaxies hit FAnG, but I am assuming you do not mean that. In that case, breaches were (should have been) reported - my brackets indicating how many claims werent so me or other Fury Execs during that time period cannot be held to blame there. I will not fool people to believe that the agreement was held in place totally 100% - since logistically I doubt it did. Mostly it did and I know we both tried to respect the agreement as much as possible.

I would agree that the ending of relations was not backstabbing and my above reply indicates the response to the last claims. Which really are probably a mix of politics and roids in brutal truthfulness.

I'll just finish with an apology for your amusement at my earlier post - it wasnt intended for FAnG.

3 Nov 2002, 14:36

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Originally posted by G.K Zhukov

Backstabing is backstabbing

no

backstabbing = fun