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Re: Illuminati r66

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I thought Black Flag was a FAnG BG. Thats why the original channel is owned by someone who never was BF HC, and he kept the channel for troll?
If so, the BF name does belong to the FAnG guys
That's an irc channel and not the in-game tag. #black-flag was used as the public channel before the round even started (owned by NoXiouS who is one of the tag owners). And Black Flag consisted of FAnG, Vikings, HR and randoms.
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I thought Black Flag was a FAnG BG. Thats why the original channel is owned by someone who never was BF HC, and he kept the channel for troll?
If so, the BF name does belong to the FAnG guys
I don't get all the squabble over a name. It's a freaking game name not an actual asset
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Re: Illuminati r66

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I don't get all the squabble over a name. It's a freaking game name not an actual asset
And not the best one.
I think BB missed Clouds tbh.
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That's an irc channel and not the in-game tag. #black-flag was used as the public channel before the round even started (owned by NoXiouS who is one of the tag owners). And Black Flag consisted of FAnG, Vikings, HR and randoms.
Lol, so you named your alliance after someone elses "irc channel"?
What ive understood the name came from a FAnG BG, and you added a "-"
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Lol, so you named your alliance after someone elses "irc channel"?
What ive understood the name came from a FAnG BG, and you added a "-"
Like your name is taken from a tomato and you just added a "-"
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Lol, so you named your alliance after someone elses "irc channel"?
What ive understood the name came from a FAnG BG, and you added a "-"
No, the in-game tag was called 'Black Flag', and the irc channel is #black-flag. I know you're not the most intelligent person on these boards, but let's hope you can spot the distinction.
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No, the in-game tag was called 'Black Flag', and the irc channel is #black-flag. I know you're not the most intelligent person on these boards, but let's hope you can spot the distinction.
So the #blackflag channel wad created afterwards?
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Re: Illuminati r66

If you do /msg P info #black-flag, then check when Black Flag was first formed (and if you can do maths), you will clearly see that #black-flag was used as the public channel, not #blackflag.
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If you do /msg P info #black-flag, then check when Black Flag was first formed (and if you can do maths), you will clearly see that #black-flag was used as the public channel, not #blackflag.
Yeah, its what i said? The channel was there long before the tag?
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Re: Illuminati r66

If you really want the history (though I think you're just being a sad troll), I will give you the history.

#BlackFlag was originally going to be used, but the channel owner emoed, it was immediately changed to #black-flag, which has been Black Flag's public channel from the start to finish.

I'm not sure what your agenda is. Black Flag was originally founded by SoulS etc, these guys didn't have the activity to keep the alliance running, so I kept it running. It was myself (and others) that ran the alliance and formed it into a more organised alliance, 'My team' have the rights to the irc public channel and the in-game tag, and we have done since our second round. Anything else in here is just banter and opinions.

Thank you for reading, but I guess you only read a few of these words and ignored the rest.
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Re: Illuminati r66

Was Black Flag a registered tag in-game at any point before Clouds alliance?

Simple yes or no please Butcher, no waffle
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If you really want the history (though I think you're just being a sad troll), I will give you the history.

#BlackFlag was originally going to be used, but the channel owner emoed, it was immediately changed to #black-flag, which has been Black Flag's public channel from the start to finish.

I'm not sure what your agenda is. Black Flag was originally founded by SoulS etc, these guys didn't have the activity to keep the alliance running, so I kept I kept it running. It was myself (and others) that ran the alliance, and 'my team' have the rights to the irc public channel and the in-game tag, and we have done since our second round.

Anything else in here is just banter and opinions.

Thank you for reading, but I guess you only read a few of these words and ignored the rest.
So after you and NoXious went inactive, if someone else wanted the alliance to keep running they would not be allowed?

As blackmagic said BF was his and Connovars etc alliance
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So after you and NoXious went inactive, if someone else wanted the alliance to keep running they would not be allowed?
Correct.
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Re: Illuminati r66

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Was Black Flag a registered tag in-game at any point before Clouds alliance?

Simple yes or no please Butcher, no waffle
Feck do i know who created the tag, but claiming ownership of it should be the guy that first used the name for his "whatever".
Basicly what i heard was that it was a BG in FAnG wich turned into a alliance
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Re: Illuminati r66

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Correct.
Is this the TGV vs Vikings discussion again?
And if anyone was to decide this wouldn't it be the original creators?
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Is this the TGV vs Vikings discussion again?
And if anyone was to decide this wouldn't it be the original creators?
No, TGV was registered to Kargool where he gave permission to RexDrax to operate the TGV tag, and RexDrax wanted ownership but Kargool declined. Black Flag however was registered to Clouds/NoXiouS/ChronoX on round two, and we have obtained ownership since from then until its retirement two rounds ago.
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No, TGV was registered to Kargool where he gave permission to RexDrax to operate the TGV tag, and RexDrax wanted ownership but Kargool declined. Black Flag however was registered to Clouds/NoXiouS/ChronoX on round two, and we have obtained ownership since from then until its retirement two rounds ago.
Its not your original name, you were allowed to continue running it, and if that was the case that you refused others to continue a tag name wich isnt originaly yours its lame.
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Its not your original name, you were allowed to continue running it, and if that was the case that you refused others to continue a tag name wich isnt originaly yours its lame.
This would be the case if 'the others' held the rights to the tag, but they don't. They gave up the potential to ownership when they quit in round two. Black Flag wasn't registered by official means befre Black Flag's second round.

Here's an example:

<Connovar> i hereby relinquish ownership of the black flag tag to donny aka chronox the homo

Now, if we go by your logic, Connovar and co would've said something different if they were 'giving us permission to run it', but NoXiouS and myself were already in the HC team when they quit.

You can babble all you like, but the facts are that the rights to the alliance is owned by myself, ChronoX and NoXiouS. This is officially documented with the Planetarion team.

Time to switch off your trolling attempts.
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This would be the case if 'the others' held the rights to the tag, but they don't. They gave up the potential to ownership when they quit in round two. Black Flag wasn't registered by official means befre Black Flag's second round.

Here's an example:

<Connovar> i hereby relinquish ownership of the black flag tag to donny aka chronox the homo

Now, if we go by your logic, Connovar and co would've said something different if they were 'giving us permission to run it', but NoXiouS and myself were already in the HC team when they quit.

You can babble all you like, but the facts are that the rights to the alliance is owned by myself, ChronoX and NoXiouS. This is officially documented with the Planetarion team.

Time to switch off your trolling attempts.
They could just registrate a tag with/without "-" or something like Black-whatever.
Having your PA account added to Black-Flag tag means nothing.

Its someone elses name, you copied/was allowed to use it
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They could just registrate a tag with/without "-" or something like Black-whatever.
Having your PA account added to Black-Flag tag means nothing.

Its someone elses name, you copied/was allowed to use it
#black-flag and #blackflag on NetGamers are both owned by the Black Flag tag owners. Could you please stop (with hijacking someone else's thread)? Thanks pal
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#black-flag and #blackflag on NetGamers are both owned by the current tag owners. Could you please stop (with hijacking someone else's thread)? Thanks pal
I got no clue, as Clouds said the original owner left BF.
Iirc i spoke to the original owner, and he said he kept the channel for trolls, and explained me his version of the history events wich lead to the tag/allie BF
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I got no clue, as Clouds said the original owner left BF.
Iirc i spoke to the original owner, and he said he kept the channel for trolls, and explained me his version of the history events wich lead to the tag/allie BF
#black-flag was registered on 12-05-2014 at 21:33. Currently owned by:
NoXiouS - last seen: 15 days, 22:51:32 ago << tag owner.

#BlackFlag was registered on 27-12-2013 at 20:59. Currently owned by:
Blackflag - last seen: 413 days, 20:59:32 ago << this is the bot nick for Black Flag, which is owned by me.

But seriously, please stop being off topic.
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oh pls Farmer-Bob, do you even have a clue how "owning a tag" works?
And for the record, "Black Flag" wasn't a BG name before it started as an alliance, SoulS came up with the name for the alliance (apparently there was other, [most likely most, or even all of them better] options). SoulS, Connovar, BlackMagic and Tyjo were the original founders, I joined the HC team way before our first round started (from invitation by SoulS and Connovar), as did Clouds. SoulS has had several chances to come back after that, Tyjo has been playing with us, Connovar hasn't been around and well, not that I've seen BlackMagic around much either lately.

Now, if you pls could leave this thread alone about BF and whatnot other alliance you might want to whine about, go eat a fingernail or start another thread, but sincerely pls, shut the **** up about off thread topics. Thank you.
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#black-flag was registered on 12-05-2014 at 21:33. Currently owned by:
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#BlackFlag was registered on 27-12-2013 at 20:59. Currently owned by:
Blackflag - last seen: 413 days, 20:59:32 ago << this is the bot nick for Black Flag, which is owned by me.

But seriously, please stop being off topic.

#BlackFlag was originally going to be used, but the channel owner emoed, it was immediately changed to #black-flag, which has been Black Flag's public channel from the start to finish.

So the guy handed you the channel afterwards
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Re: Illuminati r66

This is obvious troll (that or you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about yourself.) Let's just say BB is right and move on because I really don't care.
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oh pls Farmer-Bob, do you even have a clue how "owning a tag" works?
And for the record, "Black Flag" wasn't a BG name before it started as an alliance, SoulS came up with the name for the alliance (apparently there was other, [most likely most, or even all of them better] options). SoulS, Connovar, BlackMagic and Tyjo were the original founders, I joined the HC team way before our first round started (from invitation by SoulS and Connovar), as did Clouds. SoulS has had several chances to come back after that, Tyjo has been playing with us, Connovar hasn't been around and well, not that I've seen BlackMagic around much either lately.

Now, if you pls could leave this thread alone about BF and whatnot other alliance you might want to whine about, go eat a fingernail or start another thread, but sincerely pls, shut the **** up about off thread topics. Thank you.
No i dont have a clue ho the "owning a tag" works.
How we did it in RainbowS was that we asked who wanted to have honour to create the tag that round

Im not saying the tag isnt registred to clouds/whonot ingame, but the name was original someone elses, therefor it should be up to them wether it should/could/would be used again, as Clouds/whoever only used something someone else came up with.

Is the tags Fury/Legion/ReBorn/Elysium currently registred ingame? and if not could i use it?
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Re: Illuminati r66

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<- that's how only us three can create the tag ingame and any name very similar wouldn't be allowed without our permission. The original "owners of the name" have either never been on that list of "owners" or have since given up their spot in that list.

Edit: Afaik, all of those tagnames you listed are similarly owned by someone, or they haven given the ownership to someone they can trust.
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<- that's how only us three can create the tag ingame and any name very similar wouldn't be allowed without our permission. The original "owners of the name" have either never been on that list of "owners" or have since given up their spot in that list.

Edit: Afaik, all of those tagnames you listed are similarly owned by someone, or they haven given the ownership to someone they can trust.
Thank you for the clarification.
"Black-Widow" how ever wasnt similiar?
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Thank you for the clarification.
"Black-Widow" how ever wasnt similiar?
No, it's not (if you can't understand why, go educate yourself in another internet forum, I'm sure there's at least one that suits the purpose out there), but "BlackFlag" "Black-Flag" "Bl4ck Fl4g" would be, just like "penguins" "ultares" "rainbow" "leg1on" "W0lfP4ck" etc. would be the tags they'd "pretend" to be.
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Re: Illuminati r66

Ahem...not quite and I am not going to go into depth on this so will just highlight the important aspects.

TGV was formed out of 2 round 2 alliances in round 3. Kargool was HC of 1 of the alliances in r2 under a different nick (I believer). HCs of TGV back then were target, jerazol, Ba_alzamon, Gbell. I joined TGV in r3 and became HC in r4. I was HC of TGV until I disbanded the alliance due to p2p in r9.5. I kept the channel active/alive for 2/3+ years and over that time people dropped by and returned the game. I helped them find alliances or re-learn the game but eventually it was just me in there for days/wks at a time.

Kargool came back to PA under the name Kargool and after a while he asked me for permission to re-start TGV. I gave it and gave him access to all TGV channels. I became the default owner of all of them. Eventually I left PA due to RL but came back a few times. TGV played for a few rounds, merged and stopped and came back. I rejoined r38ish or thereabouts and after a round or 2 became HC.

That is the old(ish) history of TGV. Not going to go into who owns the tag and all of that stuff. Saying Kargool owns TGV is not right and saying I own TGV is not right either.

BTW the whole ownership thing that PA/netgamers has is TOTAL BULLSHIT. I experienced it the hard way and they just play favorites and will overturn any and all decisions based on favoritism and who has the ear of admin/teams so I would not put any/much stock in what they have written down as who the owners are.
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If I recall correctly RexDrax, it was yourself, Kargool and his wife that had ownership of the tag, and the latter two voted you out, which caused some uproar which led you to be forced to make Vikings instead.
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You could say that the process of creating BF started in round 57 with the first tide of HCs and ended when Clouds, CX and Noxious were promoted. Everyone would be happy.
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If I recall correctly RexDrax, it was yourself, Kargool and his wife that had ownership of the tag, and the latter two voted you out, which caused some uproar which led you to be forced to make Vikings instead.
More complicated than that. Kargool as a PA team member could not have access to ownership because he was PA team. I followed proper procedure but low and behold the admins reversed their decision later on and did not give me a reason. I questioned them on their procedure and told them I followed their own rules but I guess since kargool had "access" to the admins they sided with him.

In any case its done with and I havent talked to him since then. Like I said before if he wanted to run/bring back TGV I would have let him, but him depriving me or any other long time HC of the tag I disagreed with. I have as much right as Kargool since I was HC just as long as him if not longer and kept the alliance going. I was HCing on my own with a few officers for 2 rounds before TGV switched to a BG and then merged into different alliances.

Anyways....Vikings worked out well and the past is the past.
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OH yeah last thing.....

Dont count on the PA/netgamers rules for ownership rights and all. They are fickle and as a matter of fact some of the admins dont make a decision and just pass the buck on to someone else. I played tag with them for DAYS sorting it. It was ridicules.
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Dont count on the PA/netgamers rules for ownership rights and all. They are fickle and as a matter of fact some of the admins dont make a decision and just pass the buck on to someone else. I played tag with them for DAYS sorting it. It was ridicules.
No such thing as creator ownership?
If what Clouds/crew claims to be the deciding factor i can create/be apart of the creation of a.alliance, and leave the game, and then someone else can claim ownership of what i made/was apart of making.
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Re: Illuminati r66

Are you purposely being stupid? We've already explained the tag registration process to you. If a founder hasn't registered the tag, then that's their problem. In Black Flag's case, the founder(s) were there for about 1-2~ rounds before they sodded off.
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Are you purposely being stupid? We've already explained the tag registration process to you. If a founder hasn't registered the tag, then that's their problem. In Black Flag's case, the founder(s) were there for about 1~ round before they sodded off.
So if the founders didnt registre virus, legion, concordium, rinoas eclipse, xanadu, tfd etcetc, i can do it and become the creative owner of it?
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