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Unread 17 Oct 2014, 12:18   #1
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Round 60 Stats Offers

As requested by Mz I'll start the R60 Stat offers.

Paste a link to your stats and describe your thinking behind the stats.
Please Give details of each race roiding fleets etc.
Also if there is scope to fake meta classes etc.
If you are posting about the stats keep it civil and constructive.
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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

Ive made a stats set wich is brilliant.
It allows forting, it allows none forting, its offensive and its defensive.
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Ive made a stats set wich is brilliant.
It allows forting, it allows none forting, its offensive and its defensive.
Put it up when you can and we'll have a look
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Put it up when you can and we'll have a look
It will be up on beta soonish, when appoco gets to it
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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

Hmm well, I'm willing to try and refine this - still quite interested in the concept. This could either be very shit or very cool.

Main problem I'm running into is that because of the way the stats are built and the obvious eta issues, DE and FR have (possibly) too many targets - which could result in too much forting and defensive stats. Call it an early draft.

Solution to that could be making FR or DE a bit more specialized, or one a complete support class of the other.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...YTgZechkskKbCM

The stats were designed with the eye of being able to solo with FICO, FRDE, and CRBS - and being able to team up with only FI, CO, FR, DE, CR, or BS.

For example, Ter DE targets FI and CO, but it's shot at by FI, CO, CR, BS. This means that Ter DE can team up with Zik DE, which shoots CR and BS for a DE-only attack. However, a Ter can also attack solo with it's own FR + DE, since those three ships together target everything which could shoot at them.

So it allows for single-class attack in teamups, and multi-class attacks for solo's.

Keep in mind the initial stats also had a FI fleet for Etd, and CO fleet for Zik. This allowed every race to have a teamup. I figured to keep everything at 2 pod classes, FI and CO were top of the list to go.

Probably needs a lot of refinement (and I'd really love an equalisation of the eta's because it would mean targeting would be much more dynamic) - but like I said, the idea still appeals to me.

Also interested in seeing BB's stats now, hope they're better than the last set
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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

I like your first draft, just need to find a fine balance where Bs and Cr has some edge on some/most fr/de ships. Maybe this can easily be done by editting Merchant slightly, or putting Broker into a roiding class.
Either way, good first draft.
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Not a bad first draft, with about a 30 second glance :P
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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

If i had them i'd gladly paste the links to the previous 40+ sets of stats which could be re-used instead of having every charlie try their hand at using excel 5 minutes before the round starts.

infact why can't we get a vote of previous round stats put up somewhere in a similar fashion to the roundname? you could even throw in a "none of the above please id like a new set" choice if you're feeling adventurous.
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If i had them i'd gladly paste the links to the previous 40+ sets of stats which could be re-used instead of having every charlie try their hand at using excel 5 minutes before round starts.

infact why can't we get a vote of previous round stats put up somewhere in a similar fashion to the roundname? you could even throw in a "none of the above please id like a new set" choice if you're feeling adventurous.
Ive suggested this for quite sometime!
Couldnt agree more
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Yeah I think re-using/tweaking old sets is the sensible way to do it for a few rounds..
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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

i nominate round 37
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2 st rounds in a row ? :P
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http://beta.planetarion.com/history/...?id=4&round=37
Hmm, yeah dunno about 2 st stats sets in a row either
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ugh plz no
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ST stats should be banned
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I tend to find limited T2 the best, im not a fan of 0 loss def ships unless it is EMP
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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

I know they were very recently played, but I'd be happy to make some changes to my round 56 stats and put them up again. Round 56 was kinda ruined by the beetle being OP, so lowering the eff on that should lead to a completely different round than what we saw in round 56.

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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

And there we have it! A sensible way to get "reasonable" stats without actually repeating a previous round. I'm not saying that we should (or shouldn't) use this particular set to "tweak" - but the idea is a good one.

At least it would allow us to have some continuity between rounds so that we could recognise which ships belong to which class (or race) and what its targets are - without having to check the stats list or a bcalc.
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Still proposing to slightly modify my r56 set for re-use ^^
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Well lets get to work on either mine or r56's set!

Concerning R56, I think I played Etd FR to great success that round as a scanner, DE was awesome too (fr/de + fakes worked well) and I think most went other classes which also helped - anybody got any other ideas/comments for that set?
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It was a fine round. And don't go BS if you are at the hated side of the universe.
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Well lets get to work on either mine or r56's set!

Concerning R56, I think I played Etd FR to great success that round as a scanner, DE was awesome too (fr/de + fakes worked well) and I think most went other classes which also helped - anybody got any other ideas/comments for that set?


Simply changing the Beetle eff in the R56 stats would make the stats play completely differently. The downside to nerfing it is the fact that xan fi becomes even better, which it was already pretty good that round anyways. So the tweeking would have to be done with a little caution.
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Yes ofcourse it would be balanced more than just nerfing the beetle, but a few small changes would alter the dynamic dramatically and make them better imo.
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How is your set coming along isil??

Hopefully it will be loaded back up on the beta server soon so the tweaking can commence
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Load it up on the beta and I'll be happy to take a look at them.

[edit] I see Butcher has claimed the beta for now. Upload them elsewhere then.
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I haven't made the changes needed to them yet, I can get that done within a day or two. Won't be big changes, mainly cath co reduced effs and some increases here and there elsewhere.

Also mz, you looked at them extensively when I(we) created them, so you won't find many problems

edit: hard to balance them without access to betaserver though.
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Re: Round 60 Stats Offers

Go oldschool and re-use R26?

Tweak zik and consider making Xan co into fi instead to reduce the mass co issue, and they might be balanced? :P

Just looking at the top100...

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Go oldschool and re-use R26?

Tweak zik and consider making Xan co into fi instead to reduce the mass co issue, and they might be balanced? :P

Just looking at the top100...

http://beta.planetarion.com/history/...?id=4&round=26
They seem to be way too offensive just at a first glance.
How ever PA might be played diffrently now days than then, and perhaps the alliance back then was realy realy shit.
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Yeah can we have these up on the beta server please.

Butchers stats have been up a while and tbh seem to be stuck at 70% ready. I don't think he knows what he wants to change now.

Time for Isil to finish his set so we can get it uploaded to the actual game and play them
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Lol, 70% ready? What you base this on?
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Suggestions (or at least criticisms) have come in, you've just dismissed them all. And that's fine, it's entirely up to you what you do with people's input. But at some point we need to make room on the beta server for the next person to refine their stats.

I am in no way, shape or form in charge of this whole thing, but if I were, I'd give you a couple more days then let Isil take his turn.
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Suggestions (or at least criticisms) have come in, you've just dismissed them all. And that's fine, it's entirely up to you what you do with people's input. But at some point we need to make room on the beta server for the next person to refine their stats.

I am in no way, shape or form in charge of this whole thing, but if I were, I'd give you a couple more days then let Isil take his turn.
Well just have appoco save the stats and let isil or who ever wants to go next start refininh theirs
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Okay, going to swap out Isil's stats - is anyone else wanting to upload theirs? I know B-Butcher wants his on briefly so he can upload them separately.
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yes i do!

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Just for the benefit of everyone else - these are now on beta
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Why don't you have a sub-section on the beta server to upload several separate beta stats with a title (the person who created them) per stats.
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Why don't you have a sub-section on the beta server to upload several separate beta stats with a title (the person who created them) per stats.
Isil is done with his stats, and im only looking on tuning around eff a little more if needed, and change small things like switching some of the T1 BS/T2 CR to T1 CR/T2 BS perhaps, it will only take an hour to do.
Lets just let MORPH finish his, and then when we decide on a stats we are landing on
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Looks like them are all finished now

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