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Unread 22 Nov 2014, 18:49   #51
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Re: R59 run in

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while you may have thought that you weren't ptargetting, hitting ult forts for a week prior to this while we were at war with rainbows/newdawn is much the same, it may have just been bad timing, however it is what it is. You should speak to your HCs about reducing all their naps/avoidances so they can spread the incs around a little more to avoid retaliation next time
Or maybe you could do the same, so that you don't end up clutching at straws and lying when trying to justify smashing the alliance whose shelter you formerly claimed to carve erstwhile political agreements around.
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And of course the alliance which is ranked 1st right now had nothing to do with this war what so ever according to this one line above? Strange how you seem to think only these 2 alliances can make the difference and the alliance currently sat at first (for a while) doesn't seem to exist..

From what I also read from this thread is the fact Rainbows (your alliance) hr and ND tried to take on ult 3 on 1 and lost badly so now your trying to use some very bad PR to make others hit them. Maybe you should just concentrate on improving your own war/military tactics as it appears 3 alliances couldn't get the job done in the first place.
Inferno should be included with bf and p3n in the pantheon of cowardice for the round if they do indeed let ult sail through, but pointing out ult are going to win if one of those three doesn't do something about it isn't accurately summed up as "very bad pr". It looks like the probable outcome and no amount of laughing at their second rate block changes how worthless other top alliances look when they shy away from the challenge.

Given your self professed, undying, eternal, totally platonic, really special respect for ult means you probably won't be helping out any time soon. Here's to hoping bf do...
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Re: R59 run in

The statement "X will win if no one attacks them" is not a deeply enlightening insight into the nature of PA. It's a boring platitude (though true, as they usually are), and it's barely worthy of acknowledgement. People should totally attack Ultprime if they want to stop them from winning. That's pretty obvious, no?

What people are bothered about more than anything is not the substance, but the style of Butcher's AD record this round. His constant and transparent efforts at playing the political mastermind by attempting to shame and manipulate alliances into action where his own has apparently failed, have been constant irritating background noise. Not because they're true or false, that's almost totally irrelevant on AD, but because they're bad. They're insulting the very people they're intended to convince. They're the AD equivalent of "Nap us or we'll target you!".

Since this latest attempt is no better than the previous ones, featuring ODDR as the unstoppable crusher of top alliances, the ridicule that this thread is currently receiving is well deserved.
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The statement "X will win if no one attacks them" is not a deeply enlightening insight into the nature of PA. It's a boring platitude (though true, as they usually are), and it's barely worthy of acknowledgement. People should totally attack Ultprime if they want to stop them from winning. That's pretty obvious, no?

What people are bothered about more than anything is not the substance, but the style of Butcher's AD record this round. His constant and transparent efforts at playing the political mastermind by attempting to shame and manipulate alliances into action where his own has apparently failed, have been constant irritating background noise. Not because they're true or false, that's almost totally irrelevant on AD, but because they're bad. They're insulting the very people they're intended to convince. They're the AD equivalent of "Nap us or we'll target you!".

Since this latest attempt is no better than the previous ones, featuring ODDR as the unstoppable crusher of top alliances, the ridicule that this thread is currently receiving is well deserved.
If you think im trying to get people to attack Ultprime, then you are very wrong.
Myself would have no problem seeing Ultprime winning this round, theyve to my acknowledge been the by far strongest alliance.
Im not trying to convince anyone into doing anything, and if i was i wouldnt be doing it on AD.
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Unread 22 Nov 2014, 22:35   #55
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If you think im trying to get people to attack Ultprime, then you are very wrong.
Myself would have no problem seeing Ultprime winning this round, theyve to my acknowledge been the by far strongest alliance.
Im not trying to convince anyone into doing anything, and if i was i wouldnt be doing it on AD.
I'm not accusing you of being (specifically) anti-Ultprime.
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Unread 23 Nov 2014, 14:42   #56
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Since this latest attempt is no better than the previous ones, featuring ODDR as the unstoppable crusher of top alliances, the ridicule that this thread is currently receiving is well deserved.
Apparently we are very scary
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Re: R59 run in

Seeing HR is gaining massive amount of roids, and Ultprime is loosing a few, are HR winning 1on1 vs Ultprime?
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Seeing HR is gaining massive amount of roids, and Ultprime is loosing a few, are HR winning 1on1 vs Ultprime?
its not 1 v 1 ND hitting ult also, we also had a fockers visit last night =)
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and faceless also dont forget.

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Unread 25 Nov 2014, 08:27   #60
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What's this, another cries and tears thread and I wasn't invited?!?! So not cool guys, I hate you all *rolls on the floor, kicking and screaming*

Farmer-Bob: How about you keep your nose in your own alliances bunghole and leave P3ng and BF to do what ever they want to do. Make more sense if you want someone to actually co-operate with you sometime.

if rats win another round, then they win, fck, I'm surprised to see BF up this high still with me doing politics (alongside with C-man of course). Wars have been fought, they've been much fun and Whimsyshire still can't hold on it's own, no news under the sun.

If there was to be a BF vs. ULT war, I'd probably advice us to fck off with the def and just 3 fleet for maximum xp, no need to worry about them incs then, or covering them, maybe some galmates might cover a wave or two every now and then, maybe not. I'd make it an XP run, and anything can happen with those this round, XP really matters way too much at the moment.

At least ULT can hold up to deals, and P3n have been solid as well. If either one wins, I will raise a hat for them for doing a good job, not cry over spilled milk because some nubcakes can't be without crashing for a whole round.
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Seeing HR is gaining massive amount of roids, and Ultprime is loosing a few, are HR winning 1on1 vs Ultprime?
Guess it indicates that Howling Rain by far is a stronger foe to have then Rainbows?
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Guess it indicates that Howling Rain by far is a stronger foe to have then Rainbows?
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What's this, another cries and tears thread and I wasn't invited?!?!
Considering that I've had more fun reading your posts than I've had on AD in years, this is indeed unacceptable. My apologies for not being more thoughtful.
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Seeing HR is gaining massive amount of roids, and Ultprime is loosing a few, are HR winning 1on1 vs Ultprime?
Yes, we're actually a pa-superpower in disguise, able to stand toe to toe & trade blow for blow with ULT

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Inferno should be included with bf and p3n in the pantheon of cowardice for the round if they do indeed let ult sail through, but pointing out ult are going to win if one of those three doesn't do something about it isn't accurately summed up as "very bad pr". It looks like the probable outcome and no amount of laughing at their second rate block changes how worthless other top alliances look when they shy away from the challenge.

Given your self professed, undying, eternal, totally platonic, really special respect for ult means you probably won't be helping out any time soon. Here's to hoping bf do...
This whole reply had nothing to do with my post completely... I was addressing Butcher in regards to he never brought up the fact p3nguins were involved in the Inferno and BF war.

Ie at the time Inferno, BF and p3nguins were the contenders and were rightly hitting each other. Was this cowardice? No. However how anyone can lecture on cowardice when word on the street is alliances such as CT (are you not part of this alliance?) decided to allie with Ult and hit p3nguins alongside Rainbows (oh yes Butchers alliance.. how ironic) and Inferno. So 2 of the people pointing out how Ult is such a threat are part of allies which are either allied to them or, are choosing to hit another alliance they wish to take Ult on. Makes perfect sense I guess...

I do indeed have respect for Ult because they appear to be the only alliance out there who stick to their word/bond.
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LOL

P3n/bf have been full allies all round. indeed they refused to even do separate deals at times and insisted if any alliance did a deal, it had to be with both of them or neither. At least, that was the demands on inf where they stated 'accept full ceasefire with us both or **** off' and that's a quote.

I personally hope that Ult win. My alliance cant win I don't think, pen/bf losing after all their mass gangings up all round and mass agreements would just be funny and inf don't deserve it for cowardness

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Personally, I have no problem with that sort of demand, all's fair in love and politics. For the sake of public intel, though, Rainbows and NewDawn did the same in their dealings with Ultprime.
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Personally, I have no problem with that sort of demand, all's fair in love and politics. For the sake of public intel, though, Rainbows and NewDawn did the same in their dealings with Ultprime.
Ah yes, the ranked 8 and 9th alliance demanded to get free for 72 hours, its EXACTLY the same as #1 and #2 demanded a CF with the "top hostile" alliance at the time.
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Guess it indicates that Howling Rain by far is a stronger foe to have then Rainbows?
I would Guess that must be the truth.
I would Guess that bows would be actualy dragging down HR/ND, since apparently when there was a Block of BowS/ND/HR attackign Ult, Ult was still winning
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Ah yes, the ranked 8 and 9th alliance demanded to get free for 72 hours, its EXACTLY the same as #1 and #2 demanded a CF with the "top hostile" alliance at the time.
I didn't say it was exactly the same. And can't you even remember your own alliance's rank?
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P3n/bf have been full allies all round. indeed they refused to even do separate deals at times and insisted if any alliance did a deal, it had to be with both of them or neither. At least, that was the demands on inf where they stated 'accept full ceasefire with us both or **** off' and that's a quote.

I personally hope that Ult win. My alliance cant win I don't think, pen/bf losing after all their mass gangings up all round and mass agreements would just be funny and inf don't deserve it for cowardness

good game ult, hope you do it
Again, you appear, state only half of the facts, then vanish into the night. Your forgetting to point out before this whole war took place between p3n/bf and Inferno 3 of your Inferno reps (one after another) came to us with either threats (originally it was Cruise along the lines of we could be friendly or we can hit you) to then the other 2 before you (one being Pommeh) appeared to say stuff along the lines off 'I'm in charge of politics now don't listen to cruise' so.. id imagine the reason why when you finally appeared you were told to 'accept full ceasefire with us both or ***** off' was due to our one rep, was fed up of having to deal with one after the other offering different scenarios and insulting their previous predecessor.

With regards to a joint decision well why not? We don't like to hang out alliances to dry which have stayed loyal. But to call it 'mass gangings' is quite funny to be fair. 2 alliances hitting 1. This is considered a mass ganging? I'm sure a man of your intelligence and history for block wars knows this is by far the truth.

Currently p3ng has CT, Inferno and Rainbows hitting us along with other stray hostiles from others. Is this considered a ganging? Of course not. As you've pointed out on several pages this is a war game and it was bound to happen eventually. We take it on the chin and hit them back.
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P3n/bf have been full allies all round. indeed they refused to even do separate deals at times and insisted if any alliance did a deal, it had to be with both of them or neither. At least, that was the demands on inf where they stated 'accept full ceasefire with us both or **** off' and that's a quote.

I personally hope that Ult win. My alliance cant win I don't think, pen/bf losing after all their mass gangings up all round and mass agreements would just be funny and inf don't deserve it for cowardness

good game ult, hope you do it
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P3n/bf have been full allies all round. indeed they refused to even do separate deals at times and insisted if any alliance did a deal, it had to be with both of them or neither. At least, that was the demands on inf where they stated 'accept full ceasefire with us both or **** off' and that's a quote.

I personally hope that Ult win. My alliance cant win I don't think, pen/bf losing after all their mass gangings up all round and mass agreements would just be funny and inf don't deserve it for cowardness

good game ult, hope you do it
mass gangings? p3n and bf have pretty much only hit together a few nights out of the entire round, and we each have had to deal with a lot of our own incs on a night to night basis. Yes neither of us were going to leave the other to be hit alone by inf and co ... so is that really a bad thing?
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I would Guess that bows would be actualy dragging down HR/ND, since apparently when there was a Block of BowS/ND/HR attackign Ult, Ult was still winning
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I see that bitch3r crashed nicely. It seems the only thing he's competent at is failing to troll on AD!
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So I'm curious. What are p3nguins giving to Black Flag and Ultprime for those NAPs? Naked pictures of munkee's mother? Half of Plaguuu's kingdom and the hand of his firstborn daughter in marriage? Handjobs for everyone?

Basically what I'm asking is can I get in on the handjob deal?
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They have done it all round, why change now?
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Or maybe, p3nguins competitors can't be bothered to do anything due to the nature of the stats/round.

Half of Black Flag for example have gone idle as they're bored.
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Or maybe, p3nguins competitors can't be bothered to do anything due to the nature of the stats/round.

Half of Black Flag for example have gone idle as they're bored.
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I think we have to go back a long long long time to find a round where the top3 allies was allied for an entire round.
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unfortunately ultprimes hands are tied with war with other allies
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I think we have to go back a long long long time to find a round where the top3 allies was allied for an entire round.
They were not the top three for the entire round were they? Each has won its respective wars and so had come to be top 3; unfortunately it also means each has enemies that will probably jump on them should they hit each other meaning everyone is scared to make the first move.
P3n has no incentive to make a move that may well cost them the round (and is still fighting CT and inf, our politics may, from the pov of those not involved, suck at times but we learnt from round 57 to do almost anything to avoid fighting much greater numbers), BF seems content as it is - and if much of it is inactive as mentioned earlier probably dont think they will win a war, and Ult is probably betting on their stockpiles and roid lead they held for a long time (and is probably still fighting ND/HR).
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They were not the top three for the entire round were they? Each has won its respective wars and so had come to be top 3; unfortunately it also means each has enemies that will probably jump on them should they hit each other meaning everyone is scared to make the first move.
P3n has no incentive to make a move that may well cost them the round (and is still fighting CT and inf, our politics may, from the pov of those not involved, suck at times but we learnt from round 57 to do almost anything to avoid fighting much greater numbers), BF seems content as it is - and if much of it is inactive as mentioned earlier probably dont think they will win a war, and Ult is probably betting on their stockpiles and roid lead they held for a long time (and is probably still fighting ND/HR).
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If you are ranked #2 and #3, why risk it all!
Risking to drop a ranking or two might be the end of the world.
I hope that Appoco includes all the top3 alliance in the EORC this round, same way as one includes all top3 planets. Ending #2 and #3 has become the big goal for alliances to aim at these days
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Risking to drop a ranking or two might be the end of the world.
Rather depends on those allies goals does it not; they might have goals which make challenging for first not a priority. Or they might see other risks beyond losing a couple of ranks - alliances need to think about more than the next few days (as a HC I would have thought you would realise this) and might be more concerned about any impact it might have on next round through a possible defeat at the end of this. Or they might actually want to keep their nap so as to not damage reputations and possible relations in the future. I very much doubt #2 and #3 they are just thinking about the possible small changes in ranks.

Edit: or perhaps more likely both are thinking *urgh xp round, cant be bothered!*
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Rather depends on those allies goals does it not; they might have goals which make challenging for first not a priority. Or they might see other risks beyond losing a couple of ranks - alliances need to think about more than the next few days (as a HC I would have thought you would realise this) and might be more concerned about any impact it might have on next round through a possible defeat at the end of this. Or they might actually want to keep their nap so as to not damage reputations and possible relations in the future. I very much doubt #2 and #3 they are just thinking about the possible small changes in ranks.
Its funny you bring up "what impact its gonna have on next round".
Surely no alliances will go into next round without a Block, Ult/p3ng/BF have proved again *** politics is the only way do go at the round with.
If everyone else(basicly p3n/BF/Ult/Apprime) goes into the round with premade deals, why on Earth would i, if im HCing a alliance next round not do the same? Vikings/TF/BF have done this basicly in every round theyve played, going for rank #2 or worse, whats gonna change for next round?
If BF are so apathic to the game, why dont they just fold? As Clouds said, they dont care, at all, why not just give it up. They are ruining more than they are bringing to the game atm
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Its funny you bring up "what impact its gonna have on next round".
Surely no alliances will go into next round without a Block, Ult/p3ng/BF have proved again *** politics is the only way do go at the round with.
If everyone else(basicly p3n/BF/Ult/Apprime) goes into the round with premade deals, why on Earth would i, if im HCing a alliance next round not do the same? Vikings/TF/BF have done this basicly in every round theyve played, going for rank #2 or worse, whats gonna change for next round?
If BF are so apathic to the game, why dont they just fold? As Clouds said, they dont care, at all, why not just give it up. They are ruining more than they are bringing to the game atm
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Bitch3r, you have attempted to use propaganda to influence allied tags to break their deals and fight each other before. It's not going to work this round either.

And besides, while I'm doing politics for Black Flag, we will not backstab or break any deals that we have in place. If that means p2n cruising to a relaxed win, then congratulations to them.
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If BF are so apathic to the game, why dont they just fold? As Clouds said, they dont care, at all, why not just give it up. They are ruining more than they are bringing to the game atm
I said that we are bored of the CURRENT round and have gone inactive. I didn't say we play like this every round!

Please stop twisting my words into your own agenda.
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Why you people even bother to have a reasonable discussion with bitcher is beyond me.
Every discussion ends up in him suggesting to increase tag limits or bitching about how you run your alliance (though his own rainbows isn't really a shining example)
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if breaking naps of the top 3 alliances is your thing bbutcher perhaps you should talk to the alliances hitting the top three at the moment and allow the top 3 to fight it out instead of having to war all the alliances that are butt hurt about being crushed throughout the round
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No matter how relevant was Cloud's round or what alliance he played in, BB cant take him out of his mouth in AD. It must be love.
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Bitch3r, you have attempted to use propaganda to influence allied tags to break their deals and fight each other before. It's not going to work this round either.

And besides, while I'm doing politics for Black Flag, we will not backstab or break any deals that we have in place. If that means p2n cruising to a relaxed win, then congratulations to them.
God no, im not trying to do this now.
This round is over.
Why are you making round ending deals Clouds? or deals that there is no escape of.
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Why are you making round ending deals Clouds? or deals that there is no escape of.
Firstly, what Black Flag does is none of your concern. And secondly, to entertain your question, it was a strategic choice to nap the other DE tags, because we were/are weak against DE.

Black Flag weren't interested in playing for #1 this round, so napping p2n the whole round was an easy decision to make.

Every round you say that the alliance I HC will disband due to poor decision making, yet we are always back the following round. Next round will be no different (if we like the stats of course).
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Firstly, what Black Flag does is none of your concern. And secondly, to entertain your question, it was a strategic choice to nap the other DE tags, because we were/are weak against DE.

Black Flag weren't interested in playing for #1 this round, so napping p2n the whole round was an easy decision to make.

Every round you say that the alliance I HC will disband due to poor decision making, yet we are always back the following round. Next round will be no different (if we like the stats of course).
Your strategy to aim for 3rd place?
Come on
Well TGV and Vikings did disband, im not saying that will be the case for BF in the near future.
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Come on
And your strategy is to finish 7th? Stop the useless trolling, you're bad at it.

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Well TGV and Vikings did disband, im not saying that will be the case for BF in the near future.
No disrespect to RexDrax or Influence, as I enjoyed working alongside with them during my time in TGV/Vikings, but that tag disbanded not due to the membership were unhappy with its leadership, but because I and others left to form something new.

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