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Unread 2 Dec 2002, 19:38   #1
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NTL broadband help :(

Two of my housemates upstairs got ntl broadband installed for them to share.

What they've done is connect one computer to the modem via the usb port and connect the other computer via the ethernet cable to the modem.

There is no connection connecting one computer to the other, just both to the modem.

This kinda worked but what they've been doing is having to disconnect and reboot one if the other wanted to use the net. Both computers couldn't be online at the same time.

Now one of them (the ethernet connected one) has stopped working completely.

Does anyone have any suggestions how to fix this or what a better setup would be? They didn't really want top fork out for a hub or new network card
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Even PC world do network cards for under a tenner these days. Tell them not to be so tight and do the job properly
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would it just simply be the case of using modem via usb to comp 1 to comp 2 (via ethernet cable)?
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found an old network card i didn't know i had but there seems to be a problem somewhere :/

this may be a stupid question but how do i know if the cable they had connecting the modem to comp 2 was patch or Xover or what?

and does it matter?

(i need Xover for pc to pc connection right?)
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When You connect a Cable modem it sends the MAC address of either the USB port or the Ethernet Card as part of the connection process. Only the machine with this MAC address will then be able to use the connection. This is why only one machine will connect at one time as only one of the MAC address is valid.

Only way around this is to either a) get a router (a normal hub wont work as it doesnt have a MAC address so wont make a connection) This is what most people would recommend as the modem will be useable even if the other PC is turned off b) Install two Network Cards (NIC's) into one machine and one into the other. Connect the modem to one of the NIC's of the machine with two of them and use the other NIC to connect to the other machine. Then using a Net sharing peice of software (Windows has one built in) your connection will be able to be shared. Problems with this method however are 1)the machine with the modem connect will need to be on for the other machine to have a connection 2) The machine not directly connected will have a bit of lag due to the connection sharing software 3) certain applications stuggle to work on a connection shared like this
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found an old network card i didn't know i had but there seems to be a problem somewhere :/

this may be a stupid question but how do i know if the cable they had connecting the modem to comp 2 was patch or Xover or what?

and does it matter?

(i need Xover for pc to pc connection right?)
Should say on it and yes PC to PC needs a Crossover cable and you need a Patch cable to connect the modem to the machine
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your option b above will work if you only have one network card but use the usb port to conect to the modem (the pc's are linked just via the nics), right?

is crossover cable not distinguishable from patch cable in any way? there appears to be no markins on it
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you could examine the rj45's if they are clear and you can see the cable colours, one end should go:
white - green - white - blue - white - orange - white - brown
and the other should go:
white - orange - white - blue - white - green - white - brown(*)

OR failing this, plug them into each of the NIC's. on all of the NIC's ive seen there is a light indicating wether there is a conection. of both ends light up, you can probably safly say its a x-over cable.

(*) Note the cables arnt actually white, they are white and another colour striped, but for checking what type of cable it is, it doesnt matter, White will do.
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Also note that the order of colours doesnt 'actually' matter - there is a standard, but it doesnt necessarily get followed - if they follow the same order from left to right, they are straight thru, otherwise they are crossover - clever isnt it!
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your option b above will work if you only have one network card but use the usb port to conect to the modem (the pc's are linked just via the nics), right?

is crossover cable not distinguishable from patch cable in any way? there appears to be no markins on it
Yeah you could do it that way although personally I wouldnt want to....The way USB works you get a slow down while your CPU is waiting to process the data coming through the USB port (after all USB works by shifting all the processing from the inbuilt chips of the old standards to the Processor which then causes slow down) and then you have the CPU having to handle transmission of the data across the network using the connection sharing software which will make things at the slave machine even laggy. Ok this may not be a problem for normal surfing but if they want to play online games it could be the difference between having an excellent ping and just an okish one
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