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Unread 5 Jul 2004, 07:09   #1
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1up going to lose #1 spot?

I've heard quite a bit of rumbling about mucho incommings on 1up tonight. Is this true? I'm just n00b, anyone care to inform me? I might stay up tonight to see the ol red triangle pointing down and a little 1 next to the alliance name of "1up". Yur gonna need that extra life tonight it seems. :/.
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Unread 5 Jul 2004, 07:47   #2
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

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wanna know what's most funny about this. You and yur bed buddies all go "dude, they all had our coords anyways, yur so lame" etc. etc. when i realeased these coords, i guess they did, considering the amount of incomming you have now didn't amount to near as much as you've previously had. But I guess I'm in the clear in this one, as they all had your coords anyways right? Yup, that's it.
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

Enough with the smilies

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Unread 5 Jul 2004, 07:52   #4
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

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waffle found a new alliance yet?

maybe it came into your stupid simple mind its not about coords, its about blocking

go get a real life you stalker

(sorry rshih )
Well if it's not about the coords, then it doesn't matter i released 1up coords then does it?
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

we aren't allowed to use smilies?

and, if 1up does lose the top spot, all the alliances whining about 1up running away with the round will find out that they have given the round to LCH on a silver platter. Not only have they helped LCH by concentrating on 1up, they have probably given LCH a good number of roids as well, further increasing LCH's lead on those trailing them.

In all the complaining about 1up, people didn't realise that LCH is virtually the same size/score as 1up, and both should be equally targetted if the smaller alliances want to have a shot.

If the universe wakes up and decides to take down BOTH 1up and LCH, then the round could become quite interesting.
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Unread 5 Jul 2004, 08:14   #8
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

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we aren't allowed to use smilies?

and, if 1up does lose the top spot, all the alliances whining about 1up running away with the round will find out that they have given the round to LCH on a silver platter. Not only have they helped LCH by concentrating on 1up, they have probably given LCH a good number of roids as well, further increasing LCH's lead on those trailing them.

In all the complaining about 1up, people didn't realise that LCH is virtually the same size/score as 1up, and both should be equally targetted if the smaller alliances want to have a shot.

If the universe wakes up and decides to take down BOTH 1up and LCH, then the round could become quite interesting.
LOL - 1up was 10 million ahead of them, though you did lose 1 million in itself when chika deleted. But that's still 9 million score accounted for. .
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Unread 5 Jul 2004, 08:27   #9
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

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we aren't allowed to use smilies?

and, if 1up does lose the top spot, all the alliances whining about 1up running away with the round will find out that they have given the round to LCH on a silver platter. Not only have they helped LCH by concentrating on 1up, they have probably given LCH a good number of roids as well, further increasing LCH's lead on those trailing them.

In all the complaining about 1up, people didn't realise that LCH is virtually the same size/score as 1up, and both should be equally targetted if the smaller alliances want to have a shot.

If the universe wakes up and decides to take down BOTH 1up and LCH, then the round could become quite interesting.
1st 1up then lch ok?
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LOL - 1up was 10 million ahead of them, though you did lose 1 million in itself when chika deleted. But that's still 9 million score accounted for. .
why did that genius of AD delete.
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Unread 5 Jul 2004, 11:56   #11
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

You think you releasing cords has anything to with us getting hit hard by 3 alliances tonight ? Haha.

If anything you releasing cords actually decreased our incoming, penny if you can figure out why.

I'd imagine we'll lose the top spot, ¾ coverage I'd say, gg to everyone in 1up who put the time in be it staying up an extra hour to make sure people were covered both BCs and members did us proud yet again, even if we do lose at least it'll be fighting, well done guys. Also some nice attacks well done LCH et all.
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

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if 1up does lose the top spot, all the alliances whining about 1up running away with the round will find out that they have given the round to LCH on a silver platter. Not only have they helped LCH by concentrating on 1up, they have probably given LCH a good number of roids as well, further increasing LCH's lead on those trailing them.
You seem to think that alliances will not hit LCH in the remaining 1500~ ticks? Whats the sense in hitting LCH when they can help to take down the current #1 alliance, might as well let them attack 1up, creating less work for other alliances, so that taking down the #1 is quicker and then once 1up are sufficiently down LCH can be targetted...makes sense to me....
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

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You seem to think that alliances will not hit LCH in the remaining 1500~ ticks? Whats the sense in hitting LCH when they can help to take down the current #1 alliance, might as well let them attack 1up, creating less work for other alliances, so that taking down the #1 is quicker and then once 1up are sufficiently down LCH can be targetted...makes sense to me....
Gotta love flawed logic...

If 1up are beaten out of contention, who is going to be the "large" alliance that acts as the main thorn in the side of LCH? VsN? Unlikely....

There are reasons that once alliances get over a certain size in comparison to your own you don't go hitting them, maybe you'll learn that lesson (FanG did).

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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

omg you're saying the opposition should hit 1up, but only a little bit, to have 1up be to able to hit lch later when they're in the lead?
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omg you're saying the opposition should hit 1up, but only a little bit, to have 1up be to able to hit lch later when they're in the lead?
Worked in round 6. Of course Xanadu called us a lot of bad names for it, but let's face it, no one cared about Xanadu anyway.
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Gotta love flawed logic...

If 1up are beaten out of contention, who is going to be the "large" alliance that acts as the main thorn in the side of LCH? VsN? Unlikely....

There are reasons that once alliances get over a certain size in comparison to your own you don't go hitting them, maybe you'll learn that lesson (FanG did).

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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

Mens : The ideal is to have the top 2 hitting each other stupid, so the rest can catch up, in that sense the ideal is to bring 1up into line with LCH, then hit both equally. Ofc with VsN and LCH apparently sharing a bed the situation seems to have changed a bit.

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Mens : The ideal is to have the top 2 hitting each other stupid, so the rest can catch up, in that sense the ideal is to bring 1up into line with LCH, then hit both equally. Ofc with VsN and LCH apparently sharing a bed the situation seems to have changed a bit.
If you read the other thread you'd have seen that Vision have stated they arent allied to LCH, also that Ace (LCH HC) stated in another thread that they are going solo...

Can't 1up win without trying to make people believe that there are alliances cooperating out there? 1st FAnG/Mistu, now LCH/VsN..
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If you read the other thread you'd have seen that Vision have stated they arent allied to LCH, also that Ace (LCH HC) stated in another thread that they are going solo...

Can't 1up win without trying to make people believe that there are alliances cooperating out there? 1st FAnG/Mistu, now LCH/VsN..
To be honest, it's probably fair game in this thread - given the topic.
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Can't 1up win without trying to make people believe that there are alliances cooperating out there? 1st FAnG/Mistu, now LCH/VsN..
Vision admitted that LCH planets were marked as friendly in their arbiter, so it wasn't exactly unreasonable to start asking questions about LCH and VsN.

Nobody has said that they are allied, merely that VsN having LCH planets marked as friendly is somewhat suspicious. If they're not allied, fair enough. Time will tell, and I for one sincerely hope that whoever the #1 is continues to play without allies. Lack of such allies has made this round much more fun so far, and will hopefully continue to do so.
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If you read the other thread you'd have seen that Vision have stated they arent allied to LCH, also that Ace (LCH HC) stated in another thread that they are going solo...

Can't 1up win without trying to make people believe that there are alliances cooperating out there? 1st FAnG/Mistu, now LCH/VsN..
Words are all fine and well, actions are what I tend to judge things by, and the amount of VsN incomming I've seen over the last few days indicates they are hitting us to the exclusion of other alliances, or are focussing the vast majority of their firepower on us.

That combined with the nuts acceleration LCH have had as of late (indicating either an incredible success at raiding, or more likely, a severe lack of incomming that made it through), would lead most anyone to be at least a little suspicious hmm?

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Words are all fine and well, actions are what I tend to judge things by, and the amount of VsN incomming I've seen over the last few days indicates they are hitting us to the exclusion of other alliances, or are focussing the vast majority of their firepower on us.

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Are you taking into consideration that ofc if you are reciving as much incomming as you say you are, which i don't doubt, every other alliances is quite liekly to reviec that much less, there is a limit on how many ships ppl have at certain stages.

1up is pretty big atm, as is lch, with allainces wrking on their own these days, in a war they can only really focus on one enemy to punch through.
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Are you taking into consideration that ofc if you are reciving as much incomming as you say you are, which i don't doubt, every other alliances is quite liekly to reviec that much less, there is a limit on how many ships ppl have at certain stages.

1up is pretty big atm, as is lch, with allainces wrking on their own these days, in a war they can only really focus on one enemy to punch through.
'cept they form part of a rather long list of people who just seem to want "the great evul" removed, convieniently forgetting the other players on the landscape.

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'cept they form part of a rather long list of people who just seem to want "the great evul" removed, convieniently forgetting the other players on the landscape.

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'cept they form part of a rather long list of people who just seem to want "the great evul" removed, convieniently forgetting the other players on the landscape.

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ppl could think you arrogant for assuming that AD users and the members of all the alliances playing think 1up is the only "great evul"

i'll make an assumption myself though, if the current trend continues, the next great evul will be along shortly
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

I wonder why 1Up are complaining, they are the #1 alliance and in a free-for-all round the #1 alliance is (or at least should be) bound to receive most incomings. I'd also like to point out that 1Up offers quite a lot of roids at a still pretty juicy ratio.

And after just having read what Sid as CEO of 1Up announced and proposed I don't see any reason why alliances should not block against the #1 at times - he even reserved the right for 1Up to block in case it will become necessary.

So, what about accepting and adapting to this issue? I am sure that once LCH should overtake 1Up people will start hitting LCH more, it's free for all, not one Zhil's risk games.
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I wonder why 1Up are complaining, they are the #1 alliance and in a free-for-all round the #1 alliance is (or at least should be) bound to receive most incomings. I'd also like to point out that 1Up offers quite a lot of roids at a still pretty juicy ratio.

And after just having read what Sid as CEO of 1Up announced and proposed I don't see any reason why alliances should not block against the #1 at times - he even reserved the right for 1Up to block in case it will become necessary.

So, what about accepting and adapting to this issue? I am sure that once LCH should overtake 1Up people will start hitting LCH more, it's free for all, not one Zhil's risk games.

If you understood the mentality of the people who command these alliances you would know full well why 1UP would be concerned that this so called 'temporary' colaberation against them will probably not end.

No one likes to lose, and for that very reasons blocks have existed for the majority of this game's existence, this is the reason why they should be concerned.
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I wonder why 1Up are complaining, they are the #1 alliance and in a free-for-all round the #1 alliance is (or at least should be) bound to receive most incomings. I'd also like to point out that 1Up offers quite a lot of roids at a still pretty juicy ratio.

And after just having read what Sid as CEO of 1Up announced and proposed I don't see any reason why alliances should not block against the #1 at times - he even reserved the right for 1Up to block in case it will become necessary.

So, what about accepting and adapting to this issue? I am sure that once LCH should overtake 1Up people will start hitting LCH more, it's free for all, not one Zhil's risk games.
In essence i agree with what your saying, apart from us whining that is Im actually quite intrigued still by this round, which at this number of ticks is quite an achievement. The incoming we have recieved has increased yes over the last few days, but lets face it, it would be quite unusual given our situation and the political standings that we would get more than most. I however would not like to hazard a guess at how much longer we can stay #1, and see it as more of a "when" situation rather than "if" of us getting knocked off top spot.
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If you understood the mentality of the people who command these alliances you would know full well why 1UP would be concerned that this so called 'temporary' colaberation against them will probably not end.

No one likes to lose, and for that very reasons blocks have existed for the majority of this game's existence, this is the reason why they should be concerned.
While we are still #1 i feel we must expect such incoming, however when we have been knocked down, i would think/hope the incoming will be balanced between the top 2 alliances, given that both need to be knocked down to bring them closer to the "rest", and thus provide even more alliances with the chance of winning.
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While we are still #1 i feel we must expect such incoming, however when we have been knocked down, i would think/hope the incoming will be balanced between the top 2 alliances, given that both need to be knocked down to bring them closer to the "rest", and thus provide even more alliances with the chance of winning.

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While we are still #1 i feel we must expect such incoming, however when we have been knocked down, i would think/hope the incoming will be balanced between the top 2 alliances, given that both need to be knocked down to bring them closer to the "rest", and thus provide even more alliances with the chance of winning.
It would be nice to think that, and in an ideal world you would probably be right.

But PA has never been a strong point of sticking to any sort of idiology. And several alliances out there already know they cannot win, but know that if they work with someone who can, then they stand a chance of gaining a higher rank than that which they would if they stayed solo.

PA is not an ideal world, has never been an ideal world and never will be an ideal world. The game is full of egotistical teenagers who care little for anything other than victory. There are exceptions, but sadly there are not many exceptions remaining.
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So, what about accepting and adapting to this issue? I am sure that once LCH should overtake 1Up people will start hitting LCH more, it's free for all, not one Zhil's risk games.
The list of people this could be just got incredibly short....

Btw Game, I re-iterate what I said in IRC : This is planetarion

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The list of people this could be just got incredibly short....

Btw Game, I re-iterate what I said in IRC : This is planetarion

The concept of "a fair fight" rarely exists here.

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I am a 1up member, and I am not complaining about the incoming. This is what it's about. It's great getting heavy incomings covered and finding out on which people you can rely and trust when times are rough. Where it will take us, I don't know, but at least I am enjoying this round very much, much more than previous rounds. So let's battle it, this war is 'fun' and we are far from any stagnation in this round at the moment, which can not be said from any previous rounds I have played.

I seriously hope that when another alliance tops rank #1, the fight will continue and they get the heat, and so on and on. As long as stagnation isn't incurred by either one alliance who becomes #1 and then allies itself into a victory, this round stays fun.
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If you read the other thread you'd have seen that Vision have stated they arent allied to LCH, also that Ace (LCH HC) stated in another thread that they are going solo...

Can't 1up win without trying to make people believe that there are alliances cooperating out there? 1st FAnG/Mistu, now LCH/VsN..
First time i heard that rumour was from a #fang op =/
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you mean a #fang op that has just read the 1up propoganda and has pasted it in chan thinking "wtf"? and then LOL
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you mean a #fang op that has just read the 1up propoganda and has pasted it in chan thinking "wtf"? and then LOL
Nah...
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

All i can say waffle is, you have no honor, and I hope every alliance takes not of how you ****ed over your alliance without a second thought, and take this into account when you apply for a new alliance, and as for defence, we are holding our own atm and doing it against many alliances, we are fighting down to the last man, tooth and nail.

Even if we end up loosing our number one rank, we went down fighting most of the top 10 alliances, and I hope 1up will be remembered for it.
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

Anyone know's that when your at the top everyone wants to see you remove. Especially when half your memberbase spams AD. I want 1up to do well, b/c i think a well organised allinace like that is essential to the community, however the ammount you abuse these forums is arguably a reason for why your being hit a lot (as well ofc being at the top).

Making a fuss about threads like this won't help either. Been a nice round so far, my only fear is such threads will lead to blocking.

Also Rob could u please provide evidence that Vision tagged LCH as friendly in the VsN arbitor? I'm not questioning wether or not it's true, i merley want to see some evidence for myself.
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Re: 1up going to lose #1 spot?

Teh_Necro, how about the fact that Vision admitted it in the thread discussing it?

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=178676

Tho they deny any actuall cooperation.
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Ok thanks - i was never denying the accusation, it's just i have not seen any proof of it.
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PA has gotten so weird. FFS someone build an empire, crush the universe, watch as your flamed "who really cares" and do as you wish for the remainder of the round.

Who cares about fighting "fair", the term which now means that you can only really fight alone and not with anyones help heh. As long as ya do not cheat, then rule the universe if ya can with what it takes to do it.

losers whine, winners brag, the losers who did well in the round but their alliance sucked usually switch sides, winners who are bored usually switch sides at the end of the round or when the round is over and usually get whooped or switch to the other winning alliance for a change of venue.

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losers always whine/cry no matter what game is being played, its not indigenous to planetarion
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Seems it's now happend. LCH on 1st.

GO LCH!!

good to see a bunch on nice guys on top for a change.
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Seems it's now happend. LCH on 1st.

GO LCH!!

good to see a bunch on nice guys on top for a change.
the people in first are always the bad guys

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depends dosnt it
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