the battle for no 1 gal spot

[gzambo]

its getting down to the wire and with all the underhanded dealings going on it could go either way
my money is on 7:1 wining out in the end


Discuss

[DJet]

7:1 will win after they got their omen and insomnia gal mates to organise a raid on us this morning, whilest 1up hit non-planet NAPed people in our gal...

They dont deserve it, but at the end of the day theyve played the game within the rules (loose use of the word rules there).

Just a typical example of their underhand play; our 1up gal mates pick targets, their 1up members inform 7:1 gal mates of the targets and eta, cue pre-launched CR against FR...

They won it in the end yes, but to be #1 for 90% of the round, we're the true winners.

[Veil05]

Originally Posted by DJet

7:1 will win after they got their omen and insomnia gal mates to organise a raid on us this morning, whilest 1up hit non-planet NAPed people in our gal...

They dont deserve it, but at the end of the day theyve played the game within the rules (loose use of the word rules there).

Just a typical example of their underhand play; our 1up gal mates pick targets, their 1up members inform 7:1 gal mates of the targets and eta, cue pre-launched CR against FR...

They won it in the end yes, but to be #1 for 90% of the round, we're the true winners.

I could say im a real winner because my objective was to have a bit of fun.. but in reality the #1 planet beat me because he won "for real".. however, congratulations on a good game etc.

[Banned]

Originally Posted by DJet

They won it in the end yes, but to be #1 for 90% of the round, we're the true winners.

Haha, you're a loser.

[I am Idler]

Originally Posted by DJet

They won it in the end yes, but to be #1 for 90% of the round, we're the true winners.

For what, finishing in second place?

[ComradeRob]

Originally Posted by DJet

They won it in the end yes, but to be #1 for 90% of the round, we're the true winners.

This is not golf, a lower score does not mean you are winning.

[Biggin]

Originally Posted by DJet

They won it in the end yes, but to be #1 for 90% of the round, we're the true winners.

I love this one. Moral victories are for losers. If you take it up the arse for 90% of your life, but feel the love of a woman for 10%, are you still ghey?

[Treveler]

There is nothing wrong with using your influence to get ppl to help you. If you cant outplay them, use politics to get what you want. I was also approached by the 1up ppl in 7:1 asking me to exile at the very last tick if it was that close at the end. I refused of course as I see that as crossing the line and it certainly wouldn’t be much of a win anyway.

Kudos should go to both galaxies, 10:9 for being the best roiding gal and 7:1 for doing what was needed to get a win in the end.

[Stoom]

16.9 is the winner for having 2 SilverAces and 1 Stoom!

[Shoshuro]

Originally Posted by Stoom

16.9 is the winner for having 2 SilverAces and 1 Stoom!

[JonnyBGood]

I think my galaxy is the winner because shut up I hate you.

I don't quite understand

Just a typical example of their underhand play; our 1up gal mates pick targets, their 1up members inform 7:1 gal mates of the targets and eta, cue pre-launched CR against FR...

Are you saying 1up planets in 7.1 are handing over the attack details of 1up members in 10.9 to non-1up members in 7.1?

[DJet]

[21:14] []XXXXXXX> we make a FI attack
[21:14] []XXXXXXX> on some target
[21:14] []XXXXXXX> and my tick gets prelaunched FR and DE
[21:14] []XXXXXXX> from 7:1
[21:14] []XXXXXXX> -.-
[21:15] []XXXXXXX> elviz and sandvoid are in the raid
[21:15] []XXXXXXX> elviz and sandvoid are the 1up in 7:1
[21:15] []XXXXXXX> their tick gets through
[21:15] []XXXXXXX> my tick gets prelaunched def from their gal

Yep, JBG, although i got the type of ship wrong, its still the same principle.

[gzambo]

oi u greek geek , where u been hidin

[Shoshuro]

Originally Posted by gzambo

oi u greek geek , where u been hidin

Stoom kidnapped me and enslaved me in his gal :|

[JonnyBGood]

I'm rather amused that you blanked out the names when there's four 1up in 10.9 and it's rather unlikely the zik, cath or terran were sending an FI raid. And your names are all on your gal picture with your alliances.


That said, if it's true it's naughty! Almost as naughty as stifler who tried to get tomkat to recall last round by telling him a fake gal status. A few weeks later tomkat had cancer. I think we all see what I mean here.

[Achilles]

There are 3 1up in 10:9. The galbanner is outdated since last night.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Achilles

There are 3 1up in 10:9. The galbanner is outdated since last night.

I know dear, but at the time of reference there were four.

[Rocko]

in the end,.. i think your all weiners,..
if their all out attack you,.. just go and attack them back!! and get your alliances to attack them,... etc etc etc,....

[DJet]

I blanked it out cos he would probably throw a stroop or something, im sure you all know which of the 4 it is though (hint: the one that left... )

[Furyous]

Im GC of 10:9, and I'm 1up, as you can see from my super elite banner that I made.

The only comment I have regarding 7:1 arranging def vs the 1up in my galaxy, is that I wasn't aware of it, although it may well be true in XelNagas case. If so, im apalled.

With regard to the comment that we had 4 1ups, our #16 (Treveler) and #17(neod) are both scanners and don't really figure on 1up's list of priorities at all, so now I may as well be on my own.

Treveler hadn't told me that he had been asked to exile, although he did tell me that he had been questioned by elviz as to why he was roiding so hard and helping 10:9 (why shouldn't he?!), and that really smacks of desperation.

Let me congratulate 7:1 for the win. Most of you will know the complex and difficult relationship that 1up and 1up planet NAPs have brought about between the top galaxies at the end of this round. It did effectively mean that we couldn't really get away with hitting 7:1 and they couldn't really get away with hitting us (directly). I would have loved a 1 on 1 battle between 10:9 and 7:1 this last week, but unfortunately that was simply not possible.

What disappoints me the most, though, is a complete lack of respect that elviz and Sandvold have shown for myself. They capitalised on any minor excuse to get Sids permission and use their influence and arrange 7 wave attacks on our planets (which should be recognised as capitalising on an opportunity). That I can live with. But last night, they saw that it was going to be very close at resource spend, and so arranged for a considerable number of large members from Omen, SiN, Angels, TGV, Insomnia and 1up to hit us this morning.

Rather than do what is honorable towards a fellow 1up galaxy (that has supported me as an untagged 1up most of the round), and race with us for the win, they have deliberately set out to take my galaxy down and thus ruin all the effort that a fellow 1up had personally put in, because they cannot hack losing and must win at any cost. They have no responsibility to the non 1up members of my galaxy, but it does show a complete lack of respect to the 1ups.

I must make it clear that I don't believe Sid has encouraged this behavour as I really don't think he cares about which galaxy wins. But it is a shame when a player of elviz' stature uses his influence and his friends to force a win against a fellow 1up galaxy, rather than playing it out straight. It really is a matter of who you know.

[XelNaga]

Originally Posted by Furyous

The only comment I have regarding 7:1 arranging def vs the 1up in my galaxy, is that I wasn't aware of it, although it may well be true in XelNagas case. If so, im apalled.

There is no proof and no reason to believe this ever happened. The only thing I can say and said is that after prelaunching on an attack coordinated by elviz, I had prelaunched defense from 7:1 on my target just 5 minutes later.

For the rest, alexis pretty much said it all.

When I came back to this game, I was amazed by how well 1up was organised. They certainly are the best alliance in this game. What started to piss me off more and more, though, is that galaxy ranks are decided by your influence, by who you know and who you nap. I used to play with VisioN, where integrity and honor were first priority, even before winning. As such I couldn't identify with some parts of the way the game is played anymore.

The planet naps are a great move tactically and strategically, but all in all, they take the fun out of the game. 10:9 never wanted to nap 1up, since they are all stubborn egos (that should be something positive). But after some of our planets got target of the biggest 1up military effort we've had seen so far (all personally coordinated by elviz, no official raid/attack), and seeing 7:1 napped from the start, they decided to rather have us win with naps than them. So politics for the first time gave 7:1 an edge when 1up took a good chunk of our roids.

Then what happened today. Even though apparently the only planet with no official nap was told that he wouldn't be attacked anymore if he avoided 1up (which he then did), he got hit by 1up and we (all napped planets + 1up members) were told not to defend. Coincidentally, that happened at the same time where said planets from alexis' post hit us. And I got an angry mail by Sandvoid to not throw shit at him. Well, if it's not you, it'll have to be elviz, certainly you can't claim there is no one pulling strings behind that. So once again, politics, influence, who you know and who you can control played a key role in who would end #1 galaxy.

Now, I'm not saying they didn't deserve their victory. Sure they do. They played the game it's played nowadays, and they sure as hell deserve that victory. But I couldn't identify myself with that alliance or that game anymore, so I quit both yesterday. I doubt anyone will care, though. But at least, I know that I have integrity, and that our gal was certainly the ****ing greatest gal of the whole round, if not of all rounds, and I'm mainly talking about their characters and the fun we had, which in the end was unfortunately mostly ruined by politics.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by XelNaga

They played the game [the way] it's played nowadays

r2 shipfarming, r3 donation whoring, r4 ingal farming, r5 out of gal farming, r6 pyramid farming, r7 deletion wars...



..."nowadays".


I am terribly amused by all this though.

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

r6 pyramid farming

r6 pyramid farming? :-)

[wakey]

Originally Posted by XelNaga

When I came back to this game, I was amazed by how well 1up was organised. They certainly are the best alliance in this game. What started to piss me off more and more, though, is that galaxy ranks are decided by your influence, by who you know and who you nap. I used to play with VisioN, where integrity and honor were first priority, even before winning. As such I couldn't identify with some parts of the way the game is played anymore.

Wait a minute so "Contacts not skill" decideds ranks. Strange that as I seem to recall you stating that it was "Skill not contacts" that decided rank on more than one occasion last round. Was that just because it suited you to be able to say that so you could just slag other people off and put them down to make yourself feel better?

[XelNaga]

Originally Posted by wakey

Wait a minute so "Contacts not skill" decideds ranks. Strange that as I seem to recall you stating that it was "Skill not contacts" that decided rank on more than one occasion last round. Was that just because it suited you to be able to say that so you could just slag other
people off and put them down to make yourself feel better?

planet ranks != galaxy ranks

And I'm talking about the fight for the top rank(s), As opposed to the fight for _a_ good rank.

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by wakey

Wait a minute so "Contacts not skill" decideds ranks. Strange that as I seem to recall you stating that it was "Skill not contacts" that decided rank on more than one occasion last round. Was that just because it suited you to be able to say that so you could just slag other people off and put them down to make yourself feel better?

Wakey, I'm not quite sure what relevance that has to this thread? Or why it is that you feel that you must attack XelNaga's character based on your past experience.

The truth is a mixture of the two, along with luck. I think my galaxy has done something to show that you can do very well without those contacts (I don't think any of us were paticularly influential when it comes to alliance activity), but ultimately a galaxy with fewer (albeit slightly bigger) active players have secured their victory through politics and contacts, rather than trying to go it with their playing skill alone.

[Clogg]

I might point out that you landed on me, twice within a few days. So some 1up'er knew there was a grudge due to that. He approached me for his help. Since I'm too small to take you on solo (and you even needed your Subh galmate to attack me), I called in some help from some friends in SiN.

So it wasn't an alliance raid, it was for the score, raids and some personal vengeance.

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by Clogg

I might point out that you landed on me, twice within a few days. So some 1up'er knew there was a grudge due to that. He approached me for his help. Since I'm too small to take you on solo (and you even needed your Subh galmate to attack me), I called in some help from some friends in SiN.

So it wasn't an alliance raid, it was for the score, raids and some personal vengeance.

Fair enough. An unfortunate side effect of 1up planet NAPs is that those who choose not to hoarde and fake spend, and instead actually build a fleet, currently have a choice of about 5 targets (due to bash). I hope 800k value was worth 600 roids at this point in the round.

But it does go to show. A 1up asked you to hit another 1up? I think that is kickable, is it not, Sid?

[Treveler]

Originally Posted by Clogg

I might point out that you landed on me, twice within a few days. So some 1up'er knew there was a grudge due to that. He approached me for his help. Since I'm too small to take you on solo (and you even needed your Subh galmate to attack me), I called in some help from some friends in SiN.

So it wasn't an alliance raid, it was for the score, raids and some personal vengeance.

1up ppl in 7:1 contacted you about attacking 1up planets in 10:9?

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by Treveler

1up ppl in 7:1 contacted you about attacking 1up planets in 10:9?

I think it goes more like, a 1up friend of the 1ups in 7:1 contacted Clogg (or his alliance) about attacking 1up planets in 10:9.

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by Furyous

I think it goes more like, a 1up friend of the 1ups in 7:1 contacted Clogg (or his alliance) about attacking 1up planets in 10:9.

The 1up member who contacted Sin about hitting 10:9 was Storebo. He's now allianceless as a result. If you want his roids there'll be no 1up defence - but you might need to hurry to beat 1up members to them.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

The 1up member who contacted Sin about hitting 10:9 was Storebo. He's now allianceless as a result. If you want his roids there'll be no 1up defence - but you might need to hurry to beat 1up members to them.

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha."



In memory of Scouse.

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by Treveler

1up ppl in 7:1 contacted you about attacking 1up planets in 10:9?

Well now it seems substantiated that 1up people in 7:1 asked the HC of a certain rival alliance specifically to attack 1up in 10:9 last night. However, they have shut up and seemingly gone afk in order to avoid questioning about it...

I don't care much that we were attacked last night, nor that we have been bashed down to #2: As everyone says, its a wargame and with our roidcount we were fair game. But for trusted and influential alliance mates to have personally orchestrated it purely for their own gain is unacceptable, which is why I post this in a public domain.

[Clogg]

Originally Posted by Furyous

Well now it seems substantiated that 1up people in 7:1 asked the HC of a certain rival alliance specifically to attack 1up in 10:9 last night. However, they have shut up and seemingly gone afk in order to avoid questioning about it...

I don't care much that we were attacked last night, nor that we have been bashed down to #2: As everyone says, its a wargame and with our roidcount we were fair game. But for trusted and influential alliance mates to have personally orchestrated it purely for their own gain is unacceptable, which is why I post this in a public domain.

I said it earlier and I will repeat it now, I attacked Furyous, it was a retal plain and simple. Yes I involved some others since that gal is to big for an solo action. And no they did not hit an 1up. It were some SiN members, but to say the entire allainces was involved, we actually have more then 7 fleets.
And about Storebo, he is a mate so I asked him to help out when Furyous (Alexis) was attacking me. Don't think I need to say more about that.

[Veil05]

Originally Posted by Clogg

I said it earlier and I will repeat it now, I attacked Furyous, it was a retal plain and simple. Yes I involved some others since that gal is to big for an solo action. And no they did not hit an 1up. It were some SiN members, but to say the entire allainces was involved, we actually have more then 7 fleets.
And about Storebo, he is a mate so I asked him to help out when Furyous (Alexis) was attacking me. Don't think I need to say more about that.

in future i suggest you be more wise in your choice of friends and what wars they put you in.

although, making friends in pa > sitting back being bored. x

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by furyous

Well now it seems substantiated that 1up people in 7:1 asked the HC of a certain rival alliance specifically to attack 1up in 10:9 last night. However, they have shut up and seemingly gone afk in order to avoid questioning about it...

I don't care much that we were attacked last night, nor that we have been bashed down to #2: As everyone says, its a wargame and with our roidcount we were fair game. But for trusted and influential alliance mates to have personally orchestrated it purely for their own gain is unacceptable, which is why I post this in a public domain.

Originally Posted by Clogg

And about Storebo, he is a mate so I asked him to help out when Furyous (Alexis) was attacking me. Don't think I need to say more about that.

That above quote of mine was nothing to with with you or Storebo. Storebo asked SiN to attack 10:9 and, apparently, helped (guided) you to attack me (another 1up), and so he was kicked.

The above quote referrs to 1up in 7:1 and Omen. Storebo is not in 7:1.

[Kargool]

I am very saddened that people from TGV participated in this raid, please pm me coords for the TGV'ers who participated.

[pig]

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

But at least, I know that I have integrity, and that our gal was certainly the ****ing greatest gal of the whole round, if not of all rounds

Its nothing special, trust me.

[qebab]

Originally Posted by pig

Its nothing special, trust me.

The integrity part, or the galaxy?

Because I am quite sure that integrity is something people playing these games could use more of, even though this has probably been that way since the dawn of time.

Originally Posted by XelNaga

So once again, politics, influence, who you know and who you can control played a key role in who would end #1 galaxy.

This is most certainly how it has always been. Except for round 16, I think connections has always been the most influencing factor on both galaxy rank and planet rank.

/Stating the obvious

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by qebab

Except for round 16, I think connections has always been the most influencing factor on both galaxy rank and planet rank.

To diminish my own accomplishments even bwmtc, pdmaster, jackie and others I don't recall so well organised a raid on rain and his galaxy without which it might well have been different. So even there it helped!


Rereading what you said you said 'most influencing factor'. Ignoring that it should be 'most influential factor', personally I'm not too sure if contacts are more important than logging in once a day but okay.

[qebab]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Rereading what you said you said 'most influencing factor'. Ignoring that it should be 'most influential factor', personally I'm not too sure if contacts are more important than logging in once a day but okay.

Yeah well, it was so obviously obvious that even Captain Obvious himself would have gotten a migraine if I was to mention it.

[MaxMilliaN]

nice work alexis, win or not.

[Rocko]

dammit i missed rounds 6-12,.. missesd most of the fun!! ingal farming i remmeber happening often though,..
dam spoil sports
but it's all about finding out how this round is to be won and before anyone else does,.. in this case it's sorting out the diplomacy earlist to ensure victory over those bellow u,...

[voodoo]

whole round was decided politically. who and when to fight (or not fight for that matter). so it is no surprise that top gal will also be decided this way.
i find it amusing that some incs and you come and whine on AD.

two thumbs up for 16:9 from me for actually fighting whole round, being roided and getting back on their feet to become top gal. even if not #1 gal

[bwtmc]

Oh no, one day without positive growth!

Originally Posted by DJet

They won it in the end yes, but to be #1 for 90% of the round, we're the true winners.

That's one of the most pathetic statements ever to grace this forum. If it really bugs you that much, quit whining and do something about it. It's not like many players are busy fighting for alliance ranks any more.

[MaxMilliaN]

great dicipline from thou members i must say.... personal ego comes before alliancemates tbfh

and that for RANDOM galrank

[voodoo]

did he do it on his own? or did someone suggest to him that he should contact SiN for the raid (maybe someone in 7:1)?
if so......doesnt that person deserve to be kicked as well?

[bwtmc]

Originally Posted by voodoo

did he do it on his own? or did someone suggest to him that he should contact SiN for the raid (maybe someone in 7:1)?
if so......doesnt that person deserve to be kicked as well?

I can't see why the alliance would really care. More important is the 'who was silly enough to do it' issue.

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by bwtmc

I can't see why the alliance would really care. More important is the 'who was silly enough to do it' issue.

Actually you're wrong on that. If anyone in 1up tries to arrange incs on other members i most definitely care. And if I come across evidence of it, they're out too - no matter how many of them it is and even if it costs us #1 rank.

EDIT: To be fair to Storebo I should point out that nothing I've seen suggests that he asked for, or wanted, the 1ups in 10:9 to be hit. But he asked an alliance to hit there - and as a result of that 1up there got incs. If the 1ups hadn't got incs then there'd have been some consideration needed as to whether to kick him or not. As incs on 1up resulted from his action, no deliberation was needed and he was straight out the door.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Actually you're wrong on that. If anyone in 1up tries to arrange incs on other members i most definitely care. And if I come across evidence of it, they're out too - no matter how many of them it is and even if it costs us #1 rank.

ok. waiting to see how this turns out.