Why do people care about special effects in films so much

[Nodrog]

I've not played worms 3D yet but if you watch this space I'll give you my opinion on it next week.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

lets not discuss monkey island 4

That's a bad game because it's a bad game. Grim Fandango is similarish and that's a truly great game.

STOP MISTAKING BAD GAMES FOR BEING REPRESENTATIVE OF FLAWS IN THE MEDIUM.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Stop making random statements that aren't connected to the argument.

It is connected, why dont you try thinking outside the box

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by idimmu

It aids the suspension of reality for those that are uninspired and unimaginative allowing them to enjoy the film more. This section of the population also includes anyone that has bought a single. Ever.

lets take LSD and play pong

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

It's not like RPG elements in strategy games where never brought in before.
Upkeep components? explaination please.
Shops, pffffft so what.
Unit design etc etc

These are not really inovative are they? They are just improvements or already existing elements put in to make the game a bit more different then others.

I hate Bach, after all, people have used the same notes before! Bastard.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I think you're forgetting that most platformers have always been terrible. It's not a flaw in the 3D medium.

I think Jetset Willy, Sonic, Yoshi's Island, Supermario land, Rick Dangerous, Turrican, Strider, Ghouls and Goblins, Wonderboy in Monsterland, Black Tiger etc etc are beautiful.

[W]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

its probably the same reason people like expensive cars that look stupid, maybe someone should do a study that shows how shallow faux-aestheticism has replaced true beauty in almost all popular areas of society.

Originally Posted by Nodrog

thats just your opinion man

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

It is connected, why dont you try thinking outside the box

It's not reinforcing your argument, and it's not opposing anything in anyone else's argument.

It's irrelevent.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by W

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stolen concept fallacy

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

I think Jetset Willy, Sonic, Yoshi's Island, Supermario land, Rick Dangerous, Turrican, Strider, Ghouls and Goblins, Wonderboy in Monsterland, Black Tiger etc etc are beautiful.

I DIDN'T SAY ALL PLATFORMERS WERE BAD, JUST THAT SOME IN EVERY ERA WILL BE TERRIBLE. YOU'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING A COUNTER-ARGUMENT BY NAMING PLATFORMERS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LISTING THE ONES THAT WERE TERRIBLE, AND YOU ALMOST CERTAINLY NEVER PLAYED.

Eg: Godzilla on the NES.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

stolen concept fallacy

You're an intellectual, in the Adrian Mole style.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I hate Bach, after all, people have used the same notes before! Bastard.

I truly loved Dune2 and Warcraft2, and enjoyed WC3 a bit but by far not as I enjoyed Dune2 and Warcraft2, it's all the same. It's all been seen before.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I think you're forgetting that most platformers have always been terrible. It's not a flaw in the 3D medium.

oh I try to read between the lines then next time

[MrL_JaKiri]

It's not all the same though. You're just dismissing the new parts as irrelevent.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I hate Bach, after all, people have used the same notes before! Bastard.

Bach would have been better if he added electric guitars to his music because electric guitars are popular and popular things are good therefore all good things must include electric guiatars and good graphics and 3D do you see what I am saying?

[SilverSmoke]

The new parts didn't give me at least a feeling of hey cool a new game to conquer



but maybe I am just getting old and should stick with my emu software

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Bach would have been better if he added electric guitars to his music because electric guitars are popular and popular things are good therefore all good things must include electric guiatars and good graphics and 3D do you see what I am saying?

Why do you appear to be basing your arguments on the assumption that mine is 'Graphics made games good!' when this is quite clearly not the case?

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

The new parts didn't give me at least a feeling of hey cool a new game to conquer

but maybe I am just getting old and should stick with my emu software

I was talking about multiplayer, in which a new addition, no matter how minor, can tip the balance towards a game, if all the other areas are as good.

You appear to be talking about single player, in which case you're a fool because the warcraft 3 single player mode is the best out of any RTS ever made.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Why do you appear to be basing your arguments on the assumption that mine is 'Graphics made games good!' when this is quite clearly not the case?

strawman

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

strawman

Irony.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

because the warcraft 3 single player mode is the best out of any RTS ever made.

I don't want the best out of already existing shit, I want games that makes me go woah like when I loaded up Pengo, Populous, Powermonger, Civ, Hunter, Midwinter, Lemmings.

[Nodrog]

this thread has almost as many replies as it has views

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

I don't want the best out of already existing shit, I want games that makes me go woah like when I loaded up Pengo, Populous, Powermonger, Civ, Hunter, Midwinter, Lemmings.

I prefer games to play well.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

this thread has almost as many replies as it has views

That's because the views counter isn't working.

[KoeN]

tits shooting helicopters and bandits.

entertains most people. and in dutch it rhymes

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

That's because the views counter isn't working.

Is now.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I prefer games to play well.

try populous(2), you'll be entertained for weeks/months.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

try populous(2), you'll be entertained for weeks/months.

I was.

Don't forget you're trying to argue with someone who owns a copy of every console sega and nintendo ever released, and uses them regularly.

[Rids]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Noone would play any FPS other than quakeworld if it wasnt for the graphics.

Replace Quakeworld with halflife, and maybe, just maybe, I'll concede that point to you. Quakeworld was mediocre at best.

But, in answer to your question. Why would you go for the buxom blonde with the big knockers, instead of her fat, ugly, spotty, whore of a friend?

Why do people drive a Porsche instead of a Corsa? Both will get you to the same place, and if you stick to speed limits, in about the same time.

Looks, looks mean everything.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Don't forget you're trying to argue with someone who owns a copy of every console sega and nintendo ever released, and uses them regularly.

I am on that torrent soon as well



seriously, I think the most inovative stuff wasn't developed on those consoles, I think they where on the ZXspectrum/C64, Amiga and other homecomputer systems.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by Rids

Why do people drive a Porsche instead of a Corsa? Both will get you to the same place, and if you stick to speed limits, in about the same time.

Looks, looks mean everything.

heh

we are speaking about games here, if your main goal to drive a certain car just because of it looks I can imagine your point of view.

cars: looks and comfortability.

Games: playability, enjoyment.


We are discussing here the fact/opinion that graphics and effects are being prior to playability in general by the gaming industry.

[Embroglio]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Noone would play any FPS other than quakeworld if it wasnt for the graphics.

And apart from the fact that there are newer games in the series (desptite them both being worse).

[Rids]

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

heh

we are speaking about games here, if your main goal to drive a certain car just because of it looks I can imagine your point of view.

cars: looks and comfortability.

Games: playability, enjoyment.


We are discussing here the fact/opinion that graphics and effects are being prior to playability in general by the gaming industry.

My point is, that throughout society, we take a greater interest in things that look good, over things that look shit.

95% of games we see these days are older games, with a new graphics engine strapped on, Max Payne was probably, the last game I played and thought 'Oooh, this is innovative' - and the joy of bullet time lasted about, 30 seconds, and then it was just another 3rd person shooter.

Its the same with movies, (which, if you notice, up there, in the topic, was the original point of the thread) - We very rarely see anything innovative these days,its all been done before, but now its being done again, and it looks better, so hell yeah, we're going to buy it.

Looks, mean, everything.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by Rids

My point is, that throughout society, we take a greater interest in things that look good, over things that look shit.

95% of games we see these days are older games, with a new graphics engine strapped on, Max Payne was probably, the last game I played and thought 'Oooh, this is innovative' - and the joy of bullet time lasted about, 30 seconds, and then it was just another 3rd person shooter.

Its the same with movies, (which, if you notice, up there, in the topic, was the original point of the thread) - We very rarely see anything innovative these days,its all been done before, but now its being done again, and it looks better, so hell yeah, we're going to buy it.

Looks, mean, everything.

so then we are on the same frequency.

People in general are shit.

[Super]

Comedy Duke Nukem/Duke Nukem Forever option.

[Radical Edward]

The Secret of Monkey Island was brilliant because it was only in 16 colours.

[Super]

One of the best games I've played was Wings on the Amiga, with probably the worst graphics possible for a WW1 game. There was bright green ground, bright blue sky, red planes and yellow planes. And white bullets I guess. But goddamn was it addictive.

[Dead_Meat]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Actually I think its the same reason that faggots play computer games released in the last year because they have 3.4 textured bitmapped polygons with z-buffering, despite the fact that they are all mediocre.

After reading this, I was going to put a witty 'I guess we all just play QuakeWorld then?'

But I see you've already done that. Predictable, aren't you?

As for your car analogy, it's shit. Why would I drive a Porsche over a Corsa?

Because if I'm doing the speed limit in a Corsa down a windy country road, I'd be on the verge of death, plus, I'd be uncomfortable after thirty minutes, I'd be cramped, the noise from the outside would disturb me and if something pulled out suddenly, I'd almost certainly die.

In a Porsche, or even my Prelude, it can quite comfortably handle the speeds without danger of sliding off the road, there's plenty of room, the seats are covered in leather and soft and lovely, the car is quiet, so I can listen to music without having the volume turned up to maximum, increasing concentration and when something unexpected happens, I know the brakes will save me or I can accelerate out of trouble.

Use a decent argument next time, faggot.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by Dead_Meat

As for your car analogy, it's shit. Why would I drive a Porsche over a Corsa?

Use a decent argument next time, faggot.

Rids is the faggot this time

[Deffeh]

hook, line, sinker

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

GTA is a perfect example of this phenomenon actually, since both GTA 3 and Vice City were terrible terrible games.

GTA 3 was not particularly great, but Vice City is excellent.

And my alltime favourite games are the early Sierra RPG/Adventures. And Thief I/Thief II.

[JonnyBGood]

People care about special effects in movies because most people don't really go to the cinema looking for an intellectual challenge, but rather to be entertained or diverted from the banalities of everyday life. Special effects further cement the notion that this is not reality in the sense of what most people normally experience from day to day. That and the fact that like all great art the pinnacle of achievement in this area will still take your breath away. Plus many movies don't use special effects that much anyways and are still pretty cool.

[Scoot951]

I like movies with CGI in them.



Apparently it's the 'cool' thing now to bash new games because they have better graphics. I mean seriously, people will play a great game and claim Pong was better because they 'focused on gameplay'. I don't get it.

[SilverSmoke]

I do apreciate some good graphics but loads of games gives me the feeling that the developers gave priority to graphics and tryed to put in gameplay a bit later.

[MrL_JaKiri]

That's always been true though. Remember the Mega CD? That was an entire console of style over substance.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke

I am on that torrent soon as well

I'm not using that as a metaphor for using emulators, I seriously do own all the sega and nintendo consoles (with the exception of the megacd because there's no good games for it)

[acropolis]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Actually I think its the same reason that faggots play computer games released in the last year because they have 3.4 textured bitmapped polygons with z-buffering, despite the fact that they are all mediocre.

And the same kind of people that are always ****ing supermodels with great tits, despite the fact that they aren't particularly intellectually stimulating!

[Super]

Originally Posted by Dead_Meat

After reading this, I was going to put a witty 'I guess we all just play QuakeWorld then?'

But I see you've already done that. Predictable, aren't you?

As for your car analogy, it's shit. Why would I drive a Porsche over a Corsa?

Because if I'm doing the speed limit in a Corsa down a windy country road, I'd be on the verge of death, plus, I'd be uncomfortable after thirty minutes, I'd be cramped, the noise from the outside would disturb me and if something pulled out suddenly, I'd almost certainly die.

In a Porsche, or even my Prelude, it can quite comfortably handle the speeds without danger of sliding off the road, there's plenty of room, the seats are covered in leather and soft and lovely, the car is quiet, so I can listen to music without having the volume turned up to maximum, increasing concentration and when something unexpected happens, I know the brakes will save me or I can accelerate out of trouble.

Use a decent argument next time, faggot.

You really don't understand what he's talking about do you :/

[Cmdr_Cyrax]

Why has no-one mentioned LoTR yet?

SFX should back up a good storyline, not replace it.

[Deepflow]

everyone knows starcraft is better than WC3...

just ask the best players ¬_¬ (koreans, so you wouldnt understand them, but blah)