R17 - Let's Get It Started

[rasputini]

Thought we needed a thread discussing what alliances are returning for R17 or taking the round off.

Is exilition returning?

Heard a rumor that vanx and Insomnia were resurfacing. Can people confirm?


Got the next round starting sooner than most. Figured I needed to start making my hitlist

[Tietäjä]

It will make for a rather interesting scenario should eXilition return (as it's another odd round!). I've caught some talks on Ascendancy continuing on the pitch too, so if eXilition steps on the field, we'll have a number of top notch steady performing alliances around.

With Angels, eXilition, Ascendancy, 1up, and the normal oddball outside contenders, it'd certainly make for a very interesting round. I'm purely speculating here, though, as should all of the four play, it'd make an interesting market as for where the players actually settle. Skipping every other round makes your members stroll to other alliances, which can be at that point good or bad.

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by Tietäjä

It will make for a rather interesting scenario should eXilition return (as it's another odd round!). I've caught some talks on Ascendancy continuing on the pitch too, so if eXilition steps on the field, we'll have a number of top notch steady performing alliances around.

With Angels, eXilition, Ascendancy, 1up, and the normal oddball outside contenders, it'd certainly make for a very interesting round. I'm purely speculating here, though, as should all of the four play, it'd make an interesting market as for where the players actually settle. Skipping every other round makes your members stroll to other alliances, which can be at that point good or bad.

As ascendancy conrtains a lot of exilition think either one of the 2 can play.
i expect more from Dous Dava ppl. And Angels ended 6th or 7th so dont count on us if stats dont change utterly

[Tietäjä]

Well, Angels by essense is more suitable for value play. Most organized conventional alliances are. As we saw from performance of Angels (with your average size and membercount, should the round have been more value focused you'd be 3-4 ranks - at least - higher), 1up, Daous Dava and such, value play wasn't quite rewarded. I'm quite convinced that the stats will go through a dramatic change to a more conventional direction (hence value). That will be seen, though!

Should Ascendancy and eXilition both play, it would perhaps reduce the membercount of each. I'd put some cents on eXilition not appearing though. Feeling the pressure of success already, eh?

[Tomkat]

I hope Exilition play.

The more alliances there are, the more competition, which generally makes the round more interesting.

[Tietäjä]

Yeah. Exilition would certainly make the round a lot more fascinating.

[gzambo]

the more alliances playing the fluider the rd should be , though with exiltions tendencie to block even on a small scale does not mean it will be

[Jonas]

Insomnia will be playing again

[furball]

Originally Posted by gzambo

the more alliances playing the fluider the rd should be , though with exiltions tendencie to block even on a small scale does not mean it will be

Damn, it's started without even the round beginning. I wanted to be the first



OMG EXILITION ARE CHEATERS BECAUSE THEY ARE BEATING US, CLOSE THEM PATEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

[rasputini]

Welcome back, Jonas, and goodluck!

[Desse]

Originally Posted by Jonas

Insomnia will be playing again

The whole round ?

[Mek]

Originally Posted by Desse

The whole round ?

ofc not

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by furball

Damn, it's started without even the round beginning. I wanted to be the first



OMG EXILITION ARE CHEATERS BECAUSE THEY ARE BEATING US, CLOSE THEM PATEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Blocking with other alliances isn't cheating, duder. It's just a shitty way of playing to beat other alliances.

[voodoo]

without any real talks with smasher about this, i am almost sure that Daous Dava will not exist next round.most members will fan out to the other allies.
we still had fun in this round, even if it was more about the XP rather than value.
as for Exilition and Ascendancy playing, i hope they will, allthough im curious about their memberbase.

[noah02]

I thought most of exil are in ascendancy so if exil do come back then there wont be much left on ascendancy for them to play.

Maybe they will do a round on/off with exil.

Swapsies ftw.

[noah02]

I thought most of exil are in ascendancy so if exil do come back then there wont be much left on ascendancy for them to play.

Maybe they will do a round on/off with exil.

Swapsies ftw.

[noah02]

I thought most of exil are in ascendancy so if exil do come back then there wont be much left on ascendancy for them to play.

Maybe they will do a round on/off with exil.

Swapsies ftw.

[noah02]

I thought most of exil are in ascendancy so if exil do come back then there wont be much left on ascendancy for them to play.

Maybe they will do a round on/off with exil.

Swapsies ftw.

[noah02]

I thought most of exil are in ascendancy so if exil do come back then there wont be much left on ascendancy for them to play.

Maybe they will do a round on/off with exil.

Swapsies ftw.

[Nadar]

noah, for the love of god :|

[Razgriz]

as far as i know VanX will be making a return, and i also need not mention that F-Crew will be there. Nice to see Insomnia back in the mix /me waves

[Mek]

razgriz too, its a disease thats catching...humph :P

but yes, Insomnia is very much looking forward to the round ahead.

gl to everyone ofc

[jerome]

noah, there's more non-exi/1up in ascendancy than either of the alliances' past members.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Tietäjä

Well, Angels by essense is more suitable for value play. Most organized conventional alliances are. As we saw from performance of Angels (with your average size and membercount, should the round have been more value focused you'd be 3-4 ranks - at least - higher), 1up, Daous Dava and such, value play wasn't quite rewarded. I'm quite convinced that the stats will go through a dramatic change to a more conventional direction (hence value). That will be seen, though!

Don't expect much from Angels even if the stats change drastically. We realize that, eventhough XP style doesn't suit us, the stats aren't the only reason of our poor performance this round.

One thing I know for sure, alot will have to change and we'll have alot of work to do before we can be satisfied again of our perfomance. This round was more or less a joke on all fronts for Angels.

[furball]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Blocking with other alliances isn't cheating, duder. It's just a shitty way of playing to beat other alliances.

Why let facts get in the way of calling another alliance cheats? I doubt eXilition will ever be allowed to win a round 'fairly' in certain peoples' eyes.

[Almeida]

edit: misunderstood furballs post; just disregard this one

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by furball

Why let facts get in the way of calling another alliance cheats? I doubt eXilition will ever be allowed to win a round 'fairly' in certain peoples' eyes.

Pre-round blocking is both lame and unfair. That said, that just puts it up to other alliances to match or better the tactic. This is a wargame, being unfair is clever, especially if it means you are winning.

I'm not sure why you'd expect people to like it though. Or why you'd think they would find it acceptable and super to be put in such a bad position pre-round.

[Squidly]

Originally Posted by Almeida

why are u always that negative furby? back up your cheating accusations or otherwise it will always be pointless trolling (yeah, i know u are good at that).

if u feel that one of our members cheats feel free to contact me on IRC and we can investigate the thing, but pls quit saying that whole eXi cheats; beeing part of that ally i feel insulted through this as i never did and never will cheat.

Either you or I missed the boat on furby's comment there.... I took it to mean that exilition will always be viewed as cheaters, and that someone will find a way to nail them with said label no matter if they do play fair or not. That comment didn't strike me as "exi are cheaters!!!One!1"...

If I missed the boat on that one, then shame on you furby

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Pre-round blocking is both lame and unfair. That said, that just puts it up to other alliances to match or better the tactic. This is a wargame, being unfair is clever, especially if it means you are winning.

I'm not sure why you'd expect people to like it though. Or why you'd think they would find it acceptable and super to be put in such a bad position pre-round.

Pre-round blocking may be lame. But unfair? I dont agree.

[weliecheatsteel]

And the good old UK Alliance will be back again helping out where ever they can thank you Rocket

[Vas]

Originally Posted by Desse

The whole round ?

We'll see out the round

[Vas]

Heard rumours eXi won't be back R17... guess we'll have to see next round

[Paisley]

Subh will be playing r17

[-=Yggdra=-]

eXilition announcement about round 17 will be posted in a few days.

[furball]

Originally Posted by Squidly

Either you or I missed the boat on furby's comment there.... I took it to mean that exilition will always be viewed as cheaters, and that someone will find a way to nail them with said label no matter if they do play fair or not. That comment didn't strike me as "exi are cheaters!!!One!1"...

If I missed the boat on that one, then shame on you furby

As it happens, you didn't .


I'll state it again, clearly for people who missed the sarcasm: eXilition will never be allowed to win a round and have it called as a fair win by all of the other alliances.

Originally Posted by Achilles

Pre-round blocking is both lame and unfair.

Jigga what?

You're either saying that eXilition blocked prior to Round 15 (they didn't) or that pre-round blocking will always be unfair (it won't: see Cudos Round 6). You're wrong on both counts anyway.

[Clogg]

SiN will be playing Round 17 aswell
(/me expects an invite from Appoco )

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Pre-round blocking may be lame. But unfair? I dont agree.

Just to post in general agreement really.

The only time blocking gets shit/lame is when the winners just sit on their arse doing **** all, and choose not to compete and settle for their respective positions.

[Almeida]

@furball: sorry, misunderstood the post then but thx for clearing it up

though i hope that there once will be a round where there are no accusations against eXi, even though it will be hard with all those prejudice against us.

but back on topic; i am quite interested what other allies will play

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by lokken

Just to post in general agreement really.

The only time blocking gets shit/lame is when the winners just sit on their arse doing **** all, and choose not to compete and settle for their respective positions.

shit and lame yes, unfair no. Even if you powerblock the entire round and ruin the fun for everyone, it cannot be considered unfair because imo unfair = against the rules = cheating.

Atleast that's my definition of this.

[Kjeldoran]

Angels will play r17 (incase some were wondering after our poor performance this round).

Almeida, tbh I've never considered Exi cheaters and unless there is solid proof available, I'll most likely remain convinced that they're clean.

[Zirikk]

shit and lame yes, unfair no. Even if you powerblock the entire round and ruin the fun for everyone, it cannot be considered unfair because imo unfair = against the rules = cheating.

Atleast that's my definition of this.

500 vs 100 = fair?

[furball]

Blocking can be unfair in my eyes. The closest example from PA is probably Round 10.5 (FAnG, Phraktos and MISTU). It's easier to refer to rounds from Pia, which I heard were ruined by blocking.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Zirikk

500 vs 100 = fair?

yes, fair. Lame, pathetic and cowardish? YES ...

To me, the definition of fair simply means if something is or isn't against the rules. mass blocking is not forbidden so if anyone decides to do this then that is their fair right.

Mind you, ofcourse a battle between 100 and 500 is "unfair" in the sence that one side has 5 times more members. But in the sence of the game, there is nothing unfair about it.

I guess it's upto the meaning that you give to the word "fair" ...

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by furball

Blocking can be unfair in my eyes. The closest example from PA is probably Round 10.5 (FAnG, Phraktos and MISTU). It's easier to refer to rounds from Pia, which I heard were ruined by blocking.

Here we go again ... You never grow tired of posting the same crap about r10.5 do you? Again some simple facts for you ...

- FPM block was initially as big as the counter block (or whoever blocked first)
- Counter block was so pathetic that the FPM block already won by default
- Blaming FPM for winning to soon is pathetic, better blame the oposition for being so weak
- FAnG was the strongest alliance in the block and #1 during the entire round.
- When FPM obviously won, it is not upto the #1 alliance to kill the rest because we have what we wanted, the #1 position.
- MISTU decided to remain loyal and no backstab us.
- Phraktos tried to kill us but fell apart in 18 hours. It even took forest (FAnG back then) to sabotage us from the inside (or an attempt to) which also blatantly failed.

Sure we blocked that round, then again no single victory pre-round 10.5 has been won without mass blocking. But FAnG more then anyone else deserved that victory and there is nothing unfair about blocking because the rest blocked aswell, they just failed miserably and then it's always easier to point the finger to the winner.

When 1up won, they allied/blocked. When Exi won, they allied or cheated. When Ascendency won, they're considered lame because they "hided" their members. ... Do you see a pattern? The winners will ALWAYS be put in a bad daylight no matter how they won a round. The same goes for r10.5 but hey ... I don't care because I won that round and that's all that matters in the end.

[furball]

I'd contend that if you found the opposition too weak, your block was probably too strong. If it's a Round 9 counter-block, break up. WEETNAR went to WEET vs NAR then to WE vs ET. Although it was a bad round to be VVOMM, at least WEETNAR players were kept busy. Beats stagnation.

Oh and Round 11 has always been considered a fair win, to my knowledge. Round 14 was fair, even if 1up's win was essentially by default. So you can't say that the winners are put in a bad light EVERY round.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by furball

I'd contend that if you found the opposition too weak, your block was probably too strong. If it's a Round 9 counter-block, break up. WEETNAR went to WEET vs NAR then to WE vs ET. Although it was a bad round to be VVOMM, at least WEETNAR players were kept busy. Beats stagnation.

Oh and Round 11 has always been considered a fair win, to my knowledge. Round 14 was fair, even if 1up's win was essentially by default. So you can't say that the winners are put in a bad light EVERY round.

WEETNAR:

Wolfpack
Elysium
Eclipse
ToT
(dunno the 3 alliances NAR stands for)

A total of 7 alliances while FPM was 3. So WEETNAR broke up into a 4 vs 3 first. Again FPM vs the enemy was also 3 vs 3 or something along that number.
WEET finally broke up in a 2 vs 2. FPM broke up in a 2 vs 1 ...

What's your point Furball? we ended with 2 in the block just like WEETNAR did. And we hardly had even half the amount of allies as WEETNAR initially had. It's just that in FPM's case, the battles ended far too easy and too soon, but you can't expect us to sabotage ourselves so the battle would be more of a fight ???

And I'm not saying any round winner after r11 didn't do it fair, I'm saying that every single one was put into bad daylight. Ask 1up, they'll surely confirm that every round they won, pple whined about either blocking or manipulating allies or whatever. When exi won, they were cheaters by default...

Yes I'm fairly certain that EVERY round winner so far received a load of crap after they won by pple that cannot grasp the fact that they simply won. The only undeserved win in PA history imo is r10 when Elysium mass recruited 30 enemies and by doing so screwing over their closest ally by stealing their victory. That's lame, not unfair because no rule back then prevented this from happening.

[-=Yggdra=-]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

(dunno the 3 alliances NAR stands for)

I think it was NoS, Auld, RaH. With Auld being ND and ETY.

[furball]

NAR = NAHR = NoS, Auld (NewDawn & Entity, broke up mid-round), hirr (pulled out mid-round) and RaH.

FPM's opposite block was LCH, Elysium and VisioN.

Gate made a pretty authoritive post on the round, under his old forum nick:

Originally Posted by Shaithless (Gate)

Oh, btw, Round 10.5 so far to me:

FAnG/Phraktos/MISTU formed a block, to face off against the PaX EET block (Elysium/Eclipse/ToT). Eclipse and ToT broke up in PA, so Elysium joined with VisioN and LCH instead. Meanwhile, WolfPack were pretty much on FPM's side.

FPM(W) massively outnumbered ELV, and obliterated them quite easily. Ely were picked on by most from the beginning as revenge for last round, they went down quickly. Within a coupla weeks, FPM(W) was miles ahead, whilst LCH had merged with Howling Rain to form FYTFO. In my experiences, FYTFO and VsN were holding reasonably well, considering the circumstances - no chance in hell of winning though. At this stage, rankings were something like FAnG>Phraktos>Wolfpack>MISTU>FYTFO>VsN>Ely>ND....

ND, and many other alliances soon began targetting FPM, and for a few days ND were major FPM targets, taking a heavy beating, but overall, our net loss was 700 roids or so quite quickly, but soon we regained most of these. After a few days, the FPM attacks just became a trickle. Soon after, FPM hit WolfPack. WP stood no chance really, massively outnumbered in score and members, and any potential allies already under huge strain, they dropped out of the top 3, I think there were also some defections. However, like ND/VsN/FYTFO and unlike Ely, they weren't left completely smashed, but were decisively defeated and unable to do anything to halt FPM's onslaught. Rankings were something like FAnG>Phraktos>MISTU>WP>VsN>FYTFO>ND>etc. Ely were floating around 9/10th.

Then it was basically FPM roiding a mostly inactive universe, with huge numbers of quitters/idlers due to teh huge stagnation. Over the last day or 2, Phraktos declared war on FAnG/MISTU, apparently showing they had some balls. Unfortunately, most of their command structure quit and deleted at the first sign of incomings, leaving the members to be smashed (those few who had spine enough to stand and take a beating rather than crawl away on their knees). FM v. P was again very one sided, Phraktos fell apart at the first sign of a true challenge, and having lost over 30 members, and 81611 roids since I started recording (yesterday morning) they're pretty much broken. And that's where we are now, FAnG/MISTU sitting at the top, with many people in the following pack having given up and quit/idled.

I only wonder what would have happened had MISTU/FAnG been put under heavy pressure, Phraktos showed they sure as hell weren't ready for it AS AN ALLIANCE.

That's enough ranting from me, some of it may be biased/misinformed, but it's what has been seen through my eyes. Hope that helped... Oh, and there was the story of TouRiQueT, some guy who farmed his way to #1. Got fleetcaught, but managed to farm his way back to the top. And then when P declared war on FM he defected from FAnG to join P. In the 72 tick allianceless period, he got several waves of uncovered incs, was going to drop to about rank ~50, and so deleted himself :/

By the looks of things the mistakes were made pre-round. Since this is a Round 17 thread though, I think we should get back to the topic - but you're welcome to message me in PM. Vengeance will be playing Round 17.

[JonnyBGood]

This thread has reminded me of Touriquet and a little piece of me just died.

[Kargool]

TGV will play r17. After being extremly bored and lazy because of a crap round (round 16) we are hoping that r17 will actually be abit more fun and balanced.